NHL Draft lottery race - Bruins currently have 4th Pick

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If he's the clear-cut No.1 as he supposedly is (really I have no idea), if somehow the Bruins get the 1st overall pick via the lottery, than that is who they need to take. I don't care who else they currently have on D. The LAST thing this franchise needs to do at this point is their smartest man in the room bullshit they like to do at the draft table.
Yeah don’t want to try to be as smart as possible that’s for sure.

He may end up the easy #1 but it’s not clear cut, especially when you factor even a smidge of positional thought. You just can’t pass up a 1C when there’s a chance to get one unless it’s a Makar or Hughes. Not sure we’re there.
 
Yeah don’t want to try to be as smart as possible that’s for sure.

He may end up the easy #1 but it’s not clear cut, especially when you factor even a smidge of positional thought. You just can’t pass up a 1C when there’s a chance to get one unless it’s a Makar or Hughes. Not sure we’re there.

Yes, they can and they should.

Where is the clear-cut future top forward in this draft? Forget center for one second because that part doesn't really matter. Is there a forward in this draft you can say definitely he'll drive one of your top 2 scoring lines for the next 15 years? I don't see one. I like Mesa and Hagans but neither are sure things to be that level of player. Schaefer is no guarantee either but if there is a clear gap between him and the rest of the players available as is being reported, this is a no-brainer.
 
So I am wondering if Bruins somehow end up with 1 or 2 overall, or even 4 or 5 and Hagens is available, will they take him? Are they over their obsession with every center needing to be 6’2” 200 or better?
 
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Sam Reinhart: acquired for a 1st and Levi (7th round goalie prospect)

Sam Bennet: acquired for a 2nd, 6th and prospect (Heineman)

Carter Verhaeghe: Was RFA eligible but Tampa didn’t qualify and let him walk. Panthers signed him as a UFA 2 year deal 1m per. (Acquired with no assets)

Tomas Hertl: Acquired from SJ (along with two 3rd’s) for a 1st + prospect (Edstrom, 32nd overall Vegas pick).

Noah Hanifin: Acquired for a 1st, conditional 3rd and dman (Miromanov, undrafted free agent).

Mark Stone: Acquired for a 2nd, Brannstrom, Lindberg

Dylan Strome: signed as a UFA, 1 year 3.5m

Jakob Chychrun: Acquired for Nick Jensen and a 3rd

Why do Bruins fans assume it’s hard to make hockey trades?? All the best teams in the league do it.
This. This post a thousand times. Sweeney is always active at trade deadline when the pressure is on, but has failed to swoop in on high-offense players during the summer. Add Buchnevich and Laine to that list.

I understand trades aren't easy, but you don't even hear a whisper about Bruins interest (probably because they were anchored by contracts like Backes/Foligno/Forbort.)
 
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No to Frondell because of what I perceive as skating deficiencies. Hagens > Desnoyers > Eklund > Mcqueen.
Frondell is a way better skater then McQueen and Martone.

Thats mcqueens #1 flaw outside of his back injury is his skating is nowhere near NHL ready.

Frondell outside of misa is the most nhl ready player, he produced at a better rate then pasta and nylander did in their draft years. The kid has a great shot and his style of play does not rely on him being a burner. He’s definitely not a bad skater. Lacks some burst but once he gets going he’s got good wheels and he’s strong on the puck
 
Yes, they can and they should.

Where is the clear-cut future top forward in this draft? Forget center for one second because that part doesn't really matter. Is there a forward in this draft you can say definitely he'll drive one of your top 2 scoring lines for the next 15 years? I don't see one. I like Mesa and Hagans but neither are sure things to be that level of player. Schaefer is no guarantee either but if there is a clear gap between him and the rest of the players available as is being reported, this is a no-brainer.


If the bruins are aiming for a retool to be competitive during the current “cores” prime, I don’t see how Schaeffer helps more than taking a top ranked C.

Unless you plan to flip him to some team that has a young blue chip currently performing C to cut down on time it takes to get an impactful C.
 
If the bruins are aiming for a retool to be competitive during the current “cores” prime, I don’t see how Schaeffer helps more than taking a top ranked C.

They can't be concerned about that with this pick. Just take the best player. It's been proven time and time again across the NHL.

They can't even focus on the center position. If the best player at their pick is a winger, than that is who they need to take.
 
I wasn't comparing the NHL to anyone. The Bruins have decided to do a 2 month tank
and see if they can land a high end prospect instead of chasing a PO birth. If you're a STH like Lady Fan and spend a couple of thousand bucks a year for what you thought was going to be a competitive season, I would be unhappy at what I am paying for now. NHL and other leagues could curtail this by incentivizing teams to not accelerate a race to the bottom.
The way to do that is:
1.) Track every teams point total after the Trade Deadline.
2.) Split the league into playoffs teams and non-playoff teams, as is currently done
3.) Playoff teams continue to work as normal
4.) Non-playoff teams rank based on post-deadline performance
5.) No lottery

This way, the onus is on every team to continue to compete, regardless of their standings. It’s like there’s two pools: those fighting for playoff position, and those fighting for drafting position. Either way, continuing to fight is critical all the way through to the end of the season.
 
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They can't be concerned about that with this pick. Just take the best player. It's been proven time and time again across the NHL.

They can't even focus on the center position. If the best player at their pick is a winger, than that is who they need to take.
Yeah I’m going to disagree hard on that call. Below five I’m with you. But we’ve seen the analysis of where 1C gets picked, and contenders with 1C’s. Misa and Hagens are absolute surefire top six centers for 15 years (or 8 or whatever). This is like drafting a QB. If you’re San Jose and you already have one then yeah you can go LT here. If you don’t have a 1C you’re cooked, and there’s basically no other way to get one.
 
The way to do that is:
1.) Track every teams point total after the Trade Deadline.
2.) Split the league into playoffs teams and non-playoff teams, as is currently done
3.) Playoff teams continue to work as normal
4.) Non-playoff teams rank based on post-deadline performance
5.) No lottery

This way, the onus is on every team to continue to compete, regardless of their standings. It’s like there’s two pools: those fighting for playoff position, and those fighting for drafting position. Either way, continuing to fight is critical all the way through to the end of the season.
Then you’re guaranteeing a team like San Jose or Chicago (or Boston this year) pick in the 12-16 range. They can try as hard as they want they’re not as good as the Rangers or Vancouver or those kinds of teams. Why do we want to reward the Rangers or Vancouver with the top pick?

And then, the tanking happens at the fringe of the playoffs. If you’re in the right spot, do you want to go get your brains beat in or get McKenna?

It’s not about “fighting”. It’s about who’s the worst team.
 
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Yeah I’m going to disagree hard on that call. Below five I’m with you. But we’ve seen the analysis of where 1C gets picked, and contenders with 1C’s. Misa and Hagens are absolute surefire top six centers for 15 years (or 8 or whatever). This is like drafting a QB. If you’re San Jose and you already have one then yeah you can go LT here. If you don’t have a 1C you’re cooked, and there’s basically no other way to get one.

20 years from now, the only player I want to say the Bruins took in this draft is the best player out of this draft. I don't care if he's a D-man, a winger or a center.

This isn't the NFL. And their will be other draft years. We have no idea what the future holds.

All they need to do it take the player who will end up the best player from this draft and if that player is already chosen, then take the player who ends up the best player of who was available to be selected.
 
Yeah I’m going to disagree hard on that call. Below five I’m with you. But we’ve seen the analysis of where 1C gets picked, and contenders with 1C’s. Misa and Hagens are absolute surefire top six centers for 15 years (or 8 or whatever). This is like drafting a QB. If you’re San Jose and you already have one then yeah you can go LT here. If you don’t have a 1C you’re cooked, and there’s basically no other way to get


Do you think if the Bruins somehow got #1, they could drop to 3/4 with trading down to one of the other lottery teams who really need a #1D?

I almost view the top couple Cs as interchangeable in terms of impact.

If you could get one of the top 3 Cs + another valuable piece vs just taking Schaefer (or picking your preferred C out of the bunch) would you do it?

Guess it’s hard to say without knowing what the “valuable piece” is
 
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Then you’re guaranteeing a team like San Jose or Chicago (or Boston this year) pick in the 12-16 range. They can try as hard as they want they’re not as good as the Rangers or Vancouver or those kinds of teams. Why do we want to reward the Rangers or Vancouver with the top pick?

And then, the tanking happens at the fringe of the playoffs. If you’re in the right spot, do you want to go get your brains beat in or get McKenna?

It’s not about “fighting”. It’s about who’s the worst team.
Is it though? Because there’s a lottery, so clearly it isn’t about the worst team. And, folks don’t want to embrace tanking, so the alternative is trying all the way through. The only way you ensure that is by rewarding those that perform the very best after a set point (I suggest the trade deadline) where the standings for the season is pretty well becoming clear.

At that point, it’s almost a reset…a new season within a season for the have nots. Now, you better not just call up the kids and sit the vets. Now, you better play your #1 goalie. Now, you should think twice about going i to a season without making any legitimate attempt at signing good ufas…because you have to compete one way or the other to get better.
 
Do you think if the Bruins somehow got #1, they could drop to 3/4 with trading down to one of the other lottery teams who really need a #1D?

I almost view the top couple Cs as interchangeable in terms of impact.

If you could get one of the top 3 Cs + another valuable piece vs just taking Schaefer (or picking your preferred C out of the bunch) would you do it?

Guess it’s hard to say without knowing what the “valuable piece” is
I would, but I don’t even think about it because it really never happens. When is the last time there was movement with a top five pick after the lottery? Teams just don’t do it.

Now this year I think if SJ or Chicago drop below one, they’ll have an offer to make. There’s no second defenseman to Schaefer like there is with the centers. So maybe that could happen. I just consider it to be in the 5% probability range or less, considering you’d have to win the lotttery first anyway.
 
Do you think if the Bruins somehow got #1, they could drop to 3/4 with trading down to one of the other lottery teams who really need a #1D?

I almost view the top couple Cs as interchangeable in terms of impact.

If you could get one of the top 3 Cs + another valuable piece vs just taking Schaefer (or picking your preferred C out of the bunch) would you do it?

Guess it’s hard to say without knowing what the “valuable piece” is

This franchise cannot afford to get cute and try to pull off something like this. They are in no position to increase the risk of this pick not panning out into a quality player.
 
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Is it though? Because there’s a lottery, so clearly it isn’t about the worst team. And, folks don’t want to embrace tanking, so the alternative is trying all the way through. The only way you ensure that is by rewarding those that perform the very best after a set point (I suggest the trade deadline) where the standings for the season is pretty well becoming clear.

At that point, it’s almost a reset…a new season within a season for the have nots. Now, you better not just call up the kids and sit the vets. Now, you better play your #1 goalie. Now, you should think twice about going i to a season without making any legitimate attempt at signing good ufas…because you have to compete one way or the other to get better.
The only way to do it is the Gold Plan, and that has been picked apart enough to show that there’s no better system.

As others have said, does it look like San Jose, or Chicago, or even Boston isn’t “trying”? Or are they just not good enough.

The downstream effects of what you’re talking about make it a complete non starter. Read up on the Gold Plan if you’d want to head towards that direction,
 
This franchise cannot afford to get cute and try to pull off something like this. They are in no position to increase the risk of this pick not panning out into a quality player.
They’re in no position to trade from 1 to 3, take one of the two centers, and add assets? Schaefer isn’t Bedard or McKenna or that kind of #1.
 
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This franchise cannot afford to get cute and try to pull off something like this. They are in no position to increase the risk of this pick not panning out into a quality player.

Walk me through the next 3 seasons if the Bruins take Schaeffer.

How does the top 6 get fixed?( Not necessarily implying it’s a certainty it gets fixed if they take a C)

Maybe I just don’t have the vision
 
The only way to do it is the Gold Plan, and that has been picked apart enough to show that there’s no better system.

As others have said, does it look like San Jose, or Chicago, or even Boston isn’t “trying”? Or are they just not good enough.

The downstream effects of what you’re talking about make it a complete non starter. Read up on the Gold Plan if you’d want to head towards that direction,
Would Boston have sucked since the deadline if they didn’t jettison some of our players because instead we were trying to compete to the end? Boston wouldn’t be in that position, would they?

Would Chicago & San Jose have tried harder in last years free agency period if they knew another year of utter turd was not going to yield them a guaranteed top 5 pick?

Would a team that started off absolutely horrible, and then toward the end of the year finally gelled…finally gained some traction…wouldn’t it be awesome to see them get rewarded despite their final standings? Say a team that was below .500 all season, suddenly clicks and goes on a tear…goes .750 in the final 20 games.

Doesn’t that put butts in the seats? Doesn’t that make every single game count for every single team? Doesn’t that make sure season ticket holders can always expect their team’s effort will be 100%?
 
I would, but I don’t even think about it because it really never happens. When is the last time there was movement with a top five pick after the lottery? Teams just don’t do it.

Now this year I think if SJ or Chicago drop below one, they’ll have an offer to make. There’s no second defenseman to Schaefer like there is with the centers. So maybe that could happen. I just consider it to be in the 5% probability range or less, considering you’d have to win the lotttery first anyway.

For sure it’s on the far end of possible situations the Bruins find themselves in come draft day.

But I think a Top C plus something extra helps more than just Schaffer going by how scouts are predicting the top group of this draft.
 
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