Draft lottery changes approved. How does this affect us?

[Profet]

Article here: NHL draft lottery changes approved by Board of Governors - TSN.ca

Seems like starting in 2022, you'll only be able to win the draft lottery twice over a five year period.

I wonder if this will be retroactive? Meaning the Rangers would be prevented from winning the draft lottery in 2022, 2023 and potentially 2024 (if they win the draft lottery this year).

I hope we don't even need to worry about being a lottery team those years, but still something to ponder.

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[Kane One]

I don’t believe it’s retroactive.

 

[Calad]

Article here: NHL draft lottery changes approved by Board of Governors - TSN.ca

Seems like starting in 2022, you'll only be able to win the draft lottery twice over a five year period.

I wonder if this will be retroactive? Meaning the Rangers would be prevented from winning the draft lottery in 2022, 2023 and potentially 2024 (if they win the draft lottery this year).

I hope we don't even need to worry about being a lottery team those years, but still something to ponder.

No, it does not count any wins before 2022.

Changing lottery slots from 3 to 2 makes sense. theres usually two players that are clear cut above the rest,

The Edmonton rule is long overdue

I think limiting lottery wins to moving up 10 spaces is stupid. just have the lottery be for the bottom 10 teams in that case.

 

[GAGLine]

I think limiting lottery wins to moving up 10 spaces is stupid. just have the lottery be for the bottom 10 teams in that case.

I'd rather have the 10 spot limit. The teams that end up in the 11-15 (16 with Seattle) spots should have some hope as well. We've seen lots of teams get stuck in those spots too, always good enough to compete for a playoff spot, but never able to get over the hump. Winnipeg was like that for a long time. Calgary and Toronto too.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't give a rats ass.

We got our picks.

 

[SA16]

Makes no difference. This is just like the yearly faceoff tweaks. Gives them something to feel good about themselves while just making change for the sake of change. Preventing 3+ lottery wins is stupid. This is just like last year when they were worried a team could win the lottery and the cup. Why are we always so worried about .001% outcomes?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No, it does not count any wins before 2022.

Changing lottery slots from 3 to 2 makes sense. theres usually two players that are clear cut above the rest,

The Edmonton rule is long overdue

I think limiting lottery wins to moving up 10 spaces is stupid. just have the lottery be for the bottom 10 teams in that case.

You mean the rule that was implemented in 2015?

 

[Calad]

You mean the rule that was implemented in 2015?

that a team can only win the lottery twice in a 5 year span?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

that a team can only win the lottery twice in a 5 year span?

The rule they implemented in 2015 is what I would call the Edmonton rule.

The one they are implementing now is more because 7 of 15 picks went to teams outside the bottom 5 over the last 5 years.

Under the old lottery rules, Edmonton only moved up once and it was 2012 when they ended up with Yakupov. They just sucked. Then they changed the rules for 2015 and they won under the new format which was quite funny.

The new rule hardly affects the Rangers. We can still win the next two lotteries.

 

[Edge]

I don't particularly have a problem with it, so much as I chuckle at the timing. Because this is literally what we joked was going to happen after the Rangers won two years in a row.

Do I think this move is to "punish" the Rangers? Absolutely not.

Do I think the timing owes a lot to people bitching about the Rangers? No doubt in my mind.

Am I going to lose sleep over this? Nope.

 

[Ola]

This is really bad news for us if Quinn is retained as a coach for several years post 2022 because we would surely be a lottery team for every year. When you didn’t think 2021 couldn’t get any worse.

 

[Crease]

My take is that the NHL is taking something simple and making it complicated. The lottery hasn't stopped clubs from racing to the bottom, and now we have this convoluted system. I would get rid of the lottery and go back to a pure standings-based draft order.

 

[Edge]

My take is that the NHL is taking some simple and making it complicated. The lottery hasn't stopped clubs from racing to the bottom, and now we have this convoluted system. I would get rid of the lottery and go back to a pure standings-based draft order.

Unfortunately, Ottawa and a few others ruined that possibility for the foreseeable future.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I have no problem with this at all. Wish it was put into place before the Pens Oilers and Sabres and soon to be NJ all continued to tank to get the top picks.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Do I think this move is to "punsh" the Rangers? Absolutely not.

Perhaps the intention is more to "shlap" the Rangers instead?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

My take is that the NHL is taking something simple and making it complicated. The lottery hasn't stopped clubs from racing to the bottom, and now we have this convoluted system. I would get rid of the lottery and go back to a pure standings-based draft order.

The Golden Rule

That's the answer. Have a separate ranking for points gained after elimination.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Get rid of the draft - and let's get really crazy with it. Allow prospects to sign with teams under certain conditions. NHL creates an official ranking of the top 100 prospects. If you finish in the bottom 10, you get an "A" ticket and can sign one prospect ranked 1-10 by the NHL. "B" ticket for 11-20, "C" for 21-32. Teams can trade in higher tickets to get multiple lower tickets. Everyone not picked enters into the draft, which snakes, based on finish just like rounds 2-7 today. Teams bring in all the prospects they want for interview process and the best young players get some choice where he gets to work and spend his life. Prospects will list their top teams and teams will rank their top choices. NHL has a huge show which starts with the Stanley Cup champ (in fact, give the cup champ an A ticket too that only allows them to court the 5-10 ranked prospects, reward them) revealing what player is signing where.

But Bloody, what about trading of 1sts? Ah ha ha - you can trade your rights to the tickets!

LETS GET IT

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The Golden Rule

That's the answer. Have a separate ranking for points gained after elimination.

It would have to be points percentage since teams get eliminated at different times.

 

[Calad]

I don't particularly have a problem with it, so much as I chuckle at the timing. Because this is literally what we joked was going to happen after the Rangers won two years in a row.

Do I think this move is to "punsh" the Rangers? Absolutely not.

Do I think the timing owes a lot to people bitching about the Rangers? No doubt in my mind.

Am I going to lose sleep over this? Nope.

Rangers moved from 6 to 2 in 2019. I can't imagine the league cares much about the results of the 2020 lottery cause covid, something like 75% of the possible winners in that 2nd lottery wouldve caused an uproar.

I think this has a lot more to due with particular GMs crying that their tanking isn't giving the desired result.

 

[Edge]

Perhaps the intention is more to "shlap" the Rangers instead?

Honestly, I don't even know if I'd say that. Strangely enough, the league is somewhat indifferent to the Rangers. When push comes to shove, we've been a pretty low maintenance franchise for them for a long time. We're economically stable, there are no major changes in leadership, the fanbase is strong, we're not getting into trouble for shady things, etc.

I think it's probably somewhat in reaction to more vocal members of the industry who complained about the most valuable franchise winning twice, and then having the ability to go out and sign guys in the future.

 

[Edge]

Rangers moved from 6 to 2 in 2019. I can't imagine the league cares much about the results of the 2020 lottery cause covid, something like 75% of the possible winners in that 2nd lottery wouldve caused an uproar.

I think this has a lot more to due with particular GMs crying that their tanking isn't giving the desired result.

I would say GMs, owners and a few other executives that find a way to hang on with the hopes of landing "one more chance."

 

[Profet]

It would have to be points percentage since teams get eliminated at different times.

No... that's exactly the point.

Worse teams get eliminated first and are worse... so harder to get points. But since they have been eliminated longer, they have more time to accumulate.

Better teams get eliminated later, but will have an easier time getting points.

 

[Calad]

The rule they implemented in 2015 is what I would call the Edmonton rule.

The one they are implementing now is more because 7 of 15 picks went to teams outside the bottom 5 over the last 5 years.

Under the old lottery rules, Edmonton only moved up once and it was 2012 when they ended up with Yakupov. They just sucked. Then they changed the rules for 2015 and they won under the new format which was quite funny.

The new rule hardly affects the Rangers. We can still win the next two lotteries.

They didn't implement a rule in 2015 though, they changed entirely how the draft lottery worked. Flattened the odds and changed it to 3 lottery slots instead of 1, not to mention a year or two before that they removed the limit of spots a team could move up in the lottery.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It would have to be points percentage since teams get eliminated at different times.

No. Raw points after elimination makes more sense. Worse teams get eliminated first, but after elimination still have to win to get that high pick.

It motivates to play well, while still giving the lower ranked teams the best odds, but not because of some ping-pong balls in a machine.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They didn't implement a rule in 2015 though, they changed entirely how the draft lottery worked. Flattened the odds and changed it to 3 lottery slots instead of 1, not to mention a year or two before that they removed the limit of spots a team could move up in the lottery.

They changed the rule starting with the 2015 draft, giving all 14 non-play off teams a chance to win the 1st overall pick, and the following year expanding it to 3 picks.