Doping in the NHL

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Pardon my ignorance on the subject but I've heard about the various clampdowns on steroid/doping abuse in various sports, including NA sports like baseball but I can't remember hearing or major doping issues being brought up in the NHL. Is this not a thing? Am I being an idiot/nieve? I listening to a podcast with Lance Armstrong recently and it got me thinking is all.
 
They definitely have rules. My personal opinion on the lack of scandals would be that the advantage gained by doping in hockey would be a lot less than in a sport like baseball or football.

For example there are a lot of players with great speed and explosion that aren’t able to put it together at the NHL level. You have to be able to think the game as well.

Also being too bulky isn’t a good thing because you have to be agile too. Completely uneducated guess but my guess would be that the small advantage that a player could gain wouldn’t be worth the risk
 
It's happening, the NHL is just very lax about their drug testing. I've heard they give players a few weeks notice when they are going to test and they usually around the same time each year so players can kind of plan around them. Anyone that says there's not an advantage to be gained is just naive or doesn't understand how doping and steroids work. People that think if you're on steroids or doping that you're going to get too big and bulky which is a disadvantage are the same people who only do cardio or light weights in the gym because they "Don't want to look like a body builder".

Steroids plain and simple allow your body to recover quicker. This means a player can play 25 minutes on Tuesday night and get back at it Wednesday night and feel little fatigue from the game the night before and later in the 3rd period when others are running out of gas, you can continue to play at a high level. It also means players can train harder, especially in the offseason. This doesn't mean they're going to look bulky especially since NHL players work more on their legs and core than anything else. Anyone that thinks steroids wouldn't be a major advantage are insane. I played with many teammates who I knew were taking something so if it happens in college and juniors, it happens in the NHL.
 
They catch some over the hill players every now and then but that's it, just for show. There are many reasons to dope in nhl and i don't see them playing clean. Also as far as i know their list of illegal substances isn't even on par what most sports use.
 
As has been mentioned, being able to play major league hockey takes a specific mind. Even the dumbest/simplest (neanderthal) players have to have this if they want to last more than a couple seasons. Doping in other sports happens more often because of the inherent physical advantage. You don't have to be the biggest guy to succeed in the NHL (see Gaudreau). The Russians were disqualified from the most recent Winter Olympic Games because of doping. It does happen, rarely, but it's not a big thing. A bigger thing might be substance abuse (pain killers). Some older guys can't bounce back like they used to and they need these and caffeine to get through games. It's not a huge thing in the NHL, but it's easily a bigger deal than PEDs.

There's also abuse from concussions. The way the game has continued to go, I just don't think there will ever be a PED epidemic. They need to focus on substance abuse post-injury, since that's when most addictions occur, and continuing to improve concussion protocols.
 
As has been mentioned, being able to play major league hockey takes a specific mind. Even the dumbest/simplest (neanderthal) players have to have this if they want to last more than a couple seasons. Doping in other sports happens more often because of the inherent physical advantage. You don't have to be the biggest guy to succeed in the NHL (see Gaudreau).
This false narrative needs to die because every sport takes more than just brute strength to succeed. Do baseball players not still need the hand/eye coordination to hit a ball? Do they not still need to see the ball coming out of the pitchers hand and in a fraction of a second decide what kind of pitch it is, how fast its coming in, and whether it's a strike or not? Nobody is claiming you can take some average beer leaguer and turn them into a professional athlete using PEDs but to say that a little added strength, stamina, and quicker recovery isn't an advantage in hockey is just not understanding how steroids truly work.

You don't need to be huge in baseball to succeed either. There are plenty of thin outfielders and middle infielders that play a speed game. Gaudreau may be short but I'm sure his legs are tree trunks and it would certainly help his explosiveness on the ice if he were able to train for 20 minutes longer each day and wake up the following day without any soreness and have the ability to maintain that stamina for an entire 82 game grind. That's what steroids do.

The Russians were disqualified from the most recent Winter Olympic Games because of doping. It does happen, rarely, but it's not a big thing. A bigger thing might be substance abuse (pain killers). Some older guys can't bounce back like they used to and they need these and caffeine to get through games. It's not a huge thing in the NHL, but it's easily a bigger deal than PEDs.

There's also abuse from concussions. The way the game has continued to go, I just don't think there will ever be a PED epidemic. They need to focus on substance abuse post-injury, since that's when most addictions occur, and continuing to improve concussion protocols.
Hmm, if only there were something for players to take that would help them bounce back from the brutal grind of a hockey game while also making them stronger.
 
This false narrative needs to die because every sport takes more than just brute strength to succeed. Do baseball players not still need the hand/eye coordination to hit a ball? Do they not still need to see the ball coming out of the pitchers hand and in a fraction of a second decide what kind of pitch it is, how fast its coming in, and whether it's a strike or not? Nobody is claiming you can take some average beer leaguer and turn them into a professional athlete using PEDs but to say that a little added strength, stamina, and quicker recovery isn't an advantage in hockey is just not understanding how steroids truly work.

You don't need to be huge in baseball to succeed either. There are plenty of thin outfielders and middle infielders that play a speed game. Gaudreau may be short but I'm sure his legs are tree trunks and it would certainly help his explosiveness on the ice if he were able to train for 20 minutes longer each day and wake up the following day without any soreness and have the ability to maintain that stamina for an entire 82 game grind. That's what steroids do.

Hmm, if only there were something for players to take that would help them bounce back from the brutal grind of a hockey game while also making them stronger.
It's not a false narrative, when being stronger in other sports (baseball hitters, football offensive linemen) is more fruitful for those people than the typical NHL player. The NHL continues to move in the direction of speed and skill over power and goons. It's not a false narrative; it's reality.

And steroids don't provide the same relief as pain killers... I don't think you quite understand the chemical addiction of opioids.
 
It's not a false narrative, when being stronger in other sports (baseball hitters, football offensive linemen) is more fruitful for those people than the typical NHL player. The NHL continues to move in the direction of speed and skill over power and goons. It's not a false narrative; it's reality.

And steroids don't provide the same relief as pain killers... I don't think you quite understand the chemical addiction of opioids.
You do understand that steroids allow you to train harder right? That means players in the offseason can work on their speed and explosiveness for longer and without typical fatigue. It would make players faster, have a more powerful stride, harder shot, and stronger on the puck, in corners, and in front of the net. All while also having better stamina and quicker recovery from game to game and shift to shift. There's literally zero disadvantage in hockey. The idea that a guy like Gaudreau would somehow get too bulky and slow is literally the definition of misinformation about what steroids do. Sure if he decided he was just going to bench press and work his arms all day he might but that's not what he would be using them for. The same way Lance Armstrong wasn't doping to get jacked, he was doping so he could recover from the previous days races and maintain stamina for weeks.

And you're totally right, steroids don't relieve pain after a game like pain killers. In fact, they allow players to finish games and wake up the next morning with less soreness in general so pain killers may not even be needed at all.
 
Once again you can spot the people who actually played the game in the cried of xbox experts . Roids have been part if hockey since the early 70's , you think it's natural for 10 yr old to shoot up to a 5'10" 185lbs 11 yr old between birthdays ? I grew up playing with a dozen kids that went this route rhanks to their parents and family doctor .
 
It's not a false narrative, when being stronger in other sports (baseball hitters, football offensive linemen) is more fruitful for those people than the typical NHL player. The NHL continues to move in the direction of speed and skill over power and goons. It's not a false narrative; it's reality.

And steroids don't provide the same relief as pain killers... I don't think you quite understand the chemical addiction of opioids.

This is very naive. There are many, many PEDs that make your mind work faster. There are PEDs that help you recover from injuries faster. There are PEDs that make you skate faster. Blood doping would be tremendously beneficial in the grind.

Here's the bottom line, PEDs make you perform better and with millions on the line, guys are taking them. The NHL has no financial interest in cracking down, nor does the NHLPA.
 
You do understand that steroids allow you to train harder right? That means players in the offseason can work on their speed and explosiveness for longer and without typical fatigue. It would make players faster, have a more powerful stride, stronger on the puck, stronger in corners, stronger in front of the net. All while also having better stamina and quicker recover from game to game and shift to shift. There's literally zero disadvantage in hockey. The idea that a guy like Gaudreau would somehow get too bulky and slow is literally the definition of misinformation about what steroids do. Sure if he decided he was just going to bench press all day but that's not what he would be using them for.

And you're totally right, steroids don't relieve pain after a game like pain killers. In fact, they allow players to finish games and wake up the next morning with less soreness in general so pain killers may not even be needed at all.
I have to agree. For some reason people think steroids means you are going to be some sort of 300lb beast. Not like Lance Armstrong was in a sport where being bulky was going to help him
 
You do understand that steroids allow you to train harder right? That means players in the offseason can work on their speed and explosiveness for longer and without typical fatigue. It would make players faster, have a more powerful stride, harder shot, and stronger on the puck, in corners, and in front of the net. All while also having better stamina and quicker recovery from game to game and shift to shift. There's literally zero disadvantage in hockey. The idea that a guy like Gaudreau would somehow get too bulky and slow is literally the definition of misinformation about what steroids do. Sure if he decided he was just going to bench press and work his arms all day he might but that's not what he would be using them for. The same way Lance Armstrong wasn't doping to get jacked, he was doping so he could recover from the previous days races and maintain stamina for weeks.

And you're totally right, steroids don't relieve pain after a game like pain killers. In fact, they allow players to finish games and wake up the next morning with less soreness in general so pain killers may not even be needed at all.
Based on the types of workouts that hockey players do, as opposed to the basic things that you think they do, steroids don't give them the edge in the same fashion that they do for most other sports. You think that most steroids are some magical drug? There are negative side effects. Hockey isn't completely void of PED abuse, but but there are more incentives to avoid them than most other sports.

Steroids do literally nothing to help avoid painkiller abuse. It's a complete non-factor for "addictive personalities".
 
This is very naive. There are many, many PEDs that make your mind work faster. There are PEDs that help you recover from injuries faster. There are PEDs that make you skate faster. Blood doping would be tremendously beneficial in the grind.

Here's the bottom line, PEDs make you perform better and with millions on the line, guys are taking them. The NHL has no financial interest in cracking down, nor does the NHLPA.
Okay.
 
If there is money to be made, people, especially the borderliners, will look to do everything to improve their chances.

PEDs do not necessairly mean steroids, which i would assume would have less of a presence in the NHL. Goalies taking amphetamine to focus, and players blood doping/using fast cycle drugs like Clenbuterol on the other hand? High chance.

Don’t be naive. It even happens in pro gaming. Every single team in the NHL has a few players who could get busted for something or other.
 
Of course it happens in the NHL, they're just weak on testing for it. The way the league's handled CTE is another example of the league being WAY behind the times.

If you were a borderline NHLer and knowing that doing it could put you over the hump to become a 4th liner/bottom pairing defenseman...you'd do it too.
 
Yes There is Steriod Abuse in the NLH and it will be a Horrible Thing if it ever is Uncovered. How many records will have an asteroid now.
 
Based on the types of workouts that hockey players do, as opposed to the basic things that you think they do, steroids don't give them the edge in the same fashion that they do for most other sports. You think that most steroids are some magical drug? There are negative side effects. Hockey isn't completely void of PED abuse, but but there are more incentives to avoid them than most other sports.
I know what kind of workouts NHL players do and steroids would help. You're literally not understanding what steroids even do so this discussion probably won't go anywhere. Are steroids more advantageous in a sport like football where pure strength is the most important "skill" at certain positions? Of course. But to pretend that having a stronger core and legs in a sport driven by speed isn't going to give you an advantage is silly. To pretend like being fresh in the 3rd period when other players are dragging is naive. To pretend like being able to work out an extra 30 minutes each day in the offseason and wake up the next day fresh and ready to grind again isn't an advantage over the other guys in the gym or on the ice is inarguable.

Steroids do literally nothing to help avoid painkiller abuse. It's a complete non-factor for "addictive personalities".
When the hell did I say steroids help someone stop abusing pain killers? I said steroids aid in recovery after games so a player may not start abusing pain killers in the first place. A lot of players use painkillers to mask pain from the grind of a season while steroids would help avoid feeling that muscle and joint fatigue in the first place.
 
part of it too is NHL'ers arent going to abuse them to put on gobs of mass like in football or baseball.

They're much more likely to use them for the recovery benefits to not fall off during the season.

So without the obvious bulking up of the league, the general public doesnt start asking questions
 
I am 100% convinced every pro athlete dopes or uses PEDs.

BTW FYI There's a lot of different steroids that can be used that aren't brute strength.


Deca Durabolin is the most commonly used steroid for recovery. I could see a LOT of hockey players using this for intense workouts, and being spry for game day the next day.

I believe Ben Johnson took Stanozolol to become a faster sprinter.

Epogen isn't really a steroid, but it is a popular PED. This was what my brother was on, to increase his red-blood cell count (during his dialysis). This can help you not lose your breath.

I'd imagine most hockey players do a cycle of Anavar in the off-season for strength, or while recovering from surgury (This anabolic steroid I believe preserves muscle during downtime).


BTW, from what I remember my buddy who dated a stripper said, quite a few of them used a combination of winstrol, anazol, and trenbolone for cutting and rapidly losing fat. It boosts red Blood cells, and inhibits stress hormones.

I'd imagine some hockey players would use these, but they apparently absolutely wreck your joints and liver. Younger guys on the fringe most definitely all use them.
 
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it's in every sport. deal with it

also PED =/= testosterone to build muscle
those are 70s drugs. modern PEDs are a different level
I'd go as far to say to say there's not many NHLers who DON'T take PEDs to aid recovery
 
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The NHL doesn't even test for human growth hormone, certain designer steroids, or ephedrine (which Backstrom was busted for at the Olympics). The NHL also doesn't test for masking agents. And on top of that, getting a therapeutic use exemption is routine, the same way every UFC fighter seemed to have 'low testosterone'
 
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Human Growth Hormone (HGH) and Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) are definitely used in the NHL and pro sports. It helps recover quicker, especially if a player has a significant injury and needs the off season to heal up. It's not just used for training and adding bulk but it definitely increases performance and recovery for athletes.

Oh, and if you think the owners don't want to protect their multi million dollars investments and aren't aware of this, then maybe you are naive.
 
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I am 100% convinced every pro athlete dopes or uses PEDs.

BTW FYI There's a lot of different steroids that can be used that aren't brute strength.


Deca Durabolin is the most commonly used steroid for recovery. I could see a LOT of hockey players using this for intense workouts, and being spry for game day the next day.

I believe Ben Johnson took Stanozolol to become a faster sprinter.

Epogen isn't really a steroid, but it is a popular PED. This was what my brother was on, to increase his red-blood cell count (during his dialysis). This can help you not lose your breath.

I'd imagine most hockey players do a cycle of Anavar in the off-season for strength, or while recovering from surgury (This anabolic steroid I believe preserves muscle during downtime).


BTW, from what I remember my buddy who dated a stripper said, quite a few of them used a combination of winstrol, anazol, and trenbolone for cutting and rapidly losing fat. It boosts red Blood cells, and inhibits stress hormones.

I'd imagine some hockey players would use these, but they apparently absolutely wreck your joints and liver. Younger guys on the fringe most definitely all use them.

dont forget amphetamines before the game for energy and focus.

hell amphetamines have been in sports since day 1
 
I know what kind of workouts NHL players do and steroids would help. You're literally not understanding what steroids even do so this discussion probably won't go anywhere. Are steroids more advantageous in a sport like football where pure strength is the most important "skill" at certain positions? Of course. But to pretend that having a stronger core and legs in a sport driven by speed isn't going to give you an advantage is silly. To pretend like being fresh in the 3rd period when other players are dragging is naive. To pretend like being able to work out an extra 30 minutes each day in the offseason and wake up the next day fresh and ready to grind again isn't an advantage over the other guys in the gym or on the ice is inarguable.

When the hell did I say steroids help someone stop abusing pain killers? I said steroids aid in recovery after games so a player may not start abusing pain killers in the first place. A lot of players use painkillers to mask pain from the grind of a season while steroids would help avoid feeling that muscle and joint fatigue in the first place.
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I've literally witnessed a friend destroy his body using steroids because he thought they'd help his hockey game. Most steroids can't "target" certain workouts. They're body-universal. Thankfully he cleaned himself up before joining the Marines. But, sure, I don't know exactly how steroids are applicable in these situations. Right-o!

I'm not arguing that steroids aren't used at all, but they're not nearly abused as often as other sports, because for most people (including myself) they're not worth it.
 
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