It seems obvious who is and who isn't playing to their salary this year, don't you think?
Does Mitch seem different since coming back from the 4 Nations?
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Hes the exact same player to me always confident game 1 of the playoffs will let us know but I think he’s being his usual self
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Marner is 23rd in the league in 5v5 points per 60 and continues to drop. Marner is 265th in 5v5 goals/60.
Matthews despite injury and a terrible year, is still 20th in the league in 5v4 points.
23rd overall 5v5 and 265th in g/60 playing primarily with 13.25 million dollar Matthews.
Personally, I wouldn't make him the top 3 paid player he wants to be. We are seeing how affective Rantanen is when he isn't surround by Makar and Mackinnon.
You really need to drop the per 60 nonsense unless you have a formula for when Marner is out there to shut down other teams best players. It skews everything. per 60 is a stat that you use as the be all end all but most other players in the top 20 for offense don't play the same shutdown mins Marner does. Anytime you say 5v5 per 60 it contributes nothing to actual on ice performance when it pertains to Marner.
I'm not convinced Matthews can ever be healed, the Matthews we have here today is the same Matthews we had last playoff and all season so far, this very well may be who he is going forward.
Sounds like Marner might want a short term contract, similar to Matthews. Like Marner reportedly wanted last time and didn't get and ultimately settled for 6 years.
Matthews got another 3 years this past contract, meanwhile he did 4 last time. For a total of 7 years.
So while a player like Eichel signed for 8 years at 10 million. Matthews will be on his 3rd contract before Eichel hits the same 8th year. Matthews by that time could hit 16 million per year for the 8th year or even more. Which would mean he would make about 12 million more than Eichel over the 8 years. If it weren't for COVID that number would be much more substantial.
Leafs cannot sign Marner to 3 years...if they did, it would be an admittal they are just here to sell jerseys..because they would be dead in the water based on remaining cap compared to other teams in win now mode. Signing Marner to a three year deal, like Matthews would mean they are up for new contracts again in 2 and 3 years and both in the 16 million range each.
In that case they'd make around 32 million while Barkov and M.Tkatchuk make 19.5 for 2-3 full seasons!
There would be a 64% discrepancy and 12.5 million dollar difference between Marner/Matthews and Tkatchuk/Barkov for 3 seasons.
Leafs would be paying Marner and Matthews substantially more than there comparables in age and skill and at putting them at a significant disadvantage with the cap.
Remember when Dougie Hamilton complained that his team (Carolina) was beat by a team 18 million over the cap (Kucherov IR)?
We'd be doing the same to ourselves...God forbid if we hit a team skirting the system on IR too! Lol.
Leafs are already at a disadvantage in that they need to pay more money because of higher taxes (thats why im told by certain marner supporters). However, looks like leafs are the only one lol. Winnipeg is getting reasonable contracts to their top players.
Matthews got another 3 years this past contract, meanwhile he did 4 last time. For a total of 7 years.
So while a player like Eichel signed for 8 years at 10 million. Matthews will be on his 3rd contract before Eichel hits the same 8th year. Matthews by that time could hit 16 million per year for the 8th year or even more. Which would mean he would make about 12 million more than Eichel over the 8 years. If it weren't for COVID that number would be much more substantial.
Leafs cannot sign Marner to 3 years...if they did, it would be an admittal they are just here to sell jerseys..because they would be dead in the water based on remaining cap compared to other teams in win now mode. Signing Marner to a three year deal, like Matthews would mean they are up for new contracts again in 2 and 3 years and both in the 16 million range each.
In that case they'd make around 32 million while Barkov and M.Tkatchuk make 19.5 for 2-3 full seasons!
There would be a 64% discrepancy and 12.5 million dollar difference between Marner/Matthews and Tkatchuk/Barkov for 3 seasons.
Leafs would be paying Marner and Matthews substantially more than there comparables in age and skill and at putting them at a significant disadvantage with the cap.
Remember when Dougie Hamilton complained that his team (Carolina) was beat by a team 18 million over the cap (Kucherov IR)?
We'd be doing the same to ourselves...God forbid if we hit a team skirting the system on IR too! Lol.
Leafs are already at a disadvantage in that they need to pay more money because of higher taxes (thats why im told by certain marner supporters). However, looks like leafs are the only one lol. Winnipeg is getting reasonable contracts to their top players.
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Yes. He seemed different in that last final game too.
Mario was in the great Canada Cup of 1987, we will never witness skill like that again on both Canada and Russias side. He went there with a giddy approach, calm and cool, just dominating as he always does while Gretzky was laser focused on winning. It is said, I think even Mario has admitted it, that being around Wayne taught him alot about how much the game meant to him and so many others. To his country. Mario wins back to back Cups and came back from back injuries and cancer. A warrior that didn't exist it seems just a few years earlier.
Perhaps Marner understands that he may not find happiness in Toronto unless they win a Cup.
Also apparently he has a kid on the way (or born, I don't know I just saw a headline). That makes one a man real quick. Consider that Cooper said "that kid has alot of skill" or something when referring to Marner.
He is no longer a kid. He must take the step to be a man. A man is accountable and honest. Get it done in this years playoffs or fly to another nest. There are at least two others I would suggest the same advice.
I'd love to be wrong. I would post on here a lengthy apology for doubting Shanny and his lot of happy losers. It would be the most enjoyable apology.
Win the Cup. That's it.
Mario was in the great Canada Cup of 1987, we will never witness skill like that again on both Canada and Russias side. He went there with a giddy approach, calm and cool, just dominating as he always does while Gretzky was laser focused on winning. It is said, I think even Mario has admitted it, that being around Wayne taught him alot about how much the game meant to him and so many others. To his country. Mario wins back to back Cups and came back from back injuries and cancer. A warrior that didn't exist it seems just a few years earlier.
Perhaps Marner understands that he may not find happiness in Toronto unless they win a Cup.
Also apparently he has a kid on the way (or born, I don't know I just saw a headline). That makes one a man real quick. Consider that Cooper said "that kid has alot of skill" or something when referring to Marner.
He is no longer a kid. He must take the step to be a man. A man is accountable and honest. Get it done in this years playoffs or fly to another nest. There are at least two others I would suggest the same advice.
I'd love to be wrong. I would post on here a lengthy apology for doubting Shanny and his lot of happy losers. It would be the most enjoyable apology.
Win the Cup. That's it.
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Leafs in general have been scoring alot of goals around the net. Maybe in order to buy into former enforcer Berubes two to net menality and dirty goals...they needed to see superstar players Mackinnon, Crosby and Mcdavid standing in the goalies crease after every shot like a bunch of vultures waiting for an easy meal.
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notdoneyet
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Other than the goaltending Mitch has been our leader this year. Doing things each game to make a difference
We have put our eggs in the matthews basket and I don’t think it bodes well for us.
Matthews has been hurt all year and he should not have gone to the 4 nations cup. He cost his team the tournament. He let the most dangerous player on the planet in the most dangerous scoring spot on the ice
And we know how that turned out.
Matthews is everything about him. I see Mitch as a more complete teammate. Cooper stone mcdavid all sing his praise as a great teammate.
We have put our eggs in the matthews basket and I don’t think it bodes well for us.
Matthews has been hurt all year and he should not have gone to the 4 nations cup. He cost his team the tournament. He let the most dangerous player on the planet in the most dangerous scoring spot on the ice
And we know how that turned out.
Matthews is everything about him. I see Mitch as a more complete teammate. Cooper stone mcdavid all sing his praise as a great teammate.
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Of course he is to blame, mcdavid is his man. He left him open to chase marner in the corner. Marner wasn’t scoring from there. Mcdavid was his man.
Of course it’s all about him. He wanted the captaincy
Got it, only signs for minimum number of years so he can feed his greedy sense of entitlement.
He is not a leader and never will be. We have a supposed generational goal scorer who has worse stats in the playoffs than Mitch , but he gets a free pass while everyone blames Mitch
Matthews doesn’t have the it factor to carry a team on his shoulders to the cup
It has to change something inside you.
He has not tasted a championship since his London days.
He has tasted it again hopefully this drives him and relaxed him
He also had some great coaches to bend there ear.
He has not tasted a championship since his London days.
He has tasted it again hopefully this drives him and relaxed him
He also had some great coaches to bend there ear.
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Marner's change in demeanour came before the 4 Nations IMO, that tournament just added to it. He has looked a more confident player since mid November imo. Hopefully it remains as we head into the playoffs.
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No, I think his return to form is a function of a couple of things, but certainly Berube's system is one factor. He's played similarly before the 4 Nations. I think what's changed for some is perhaps not unlike what they see having changed for Marner, and that's the same player in a different setting/uniform.
A good reminder of the player he was before the big money, with Keefe, and now under Berube.
Remains to be seen what effect the tournament and its surroundings have on him as it relates to his play and then as important, his commitment to team goals a la Crosby, Marchand...
A good reminder of the player he was before the big money, with Keefe, and now under Berube.
Remains to be seen what effect the tournament and its surroundings have on him as it relates to his play and then as important, his commitment to team goals a la Crosby, Marchand...
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We already know it...
Matthews doing the 1st play play = he created and did everything for marner who just had to shoot it
In the other way, marner doing the same play tham matthews did = Marner just let the puck goes and Matthews did everything with a snipe top corner
On 3v3
Matthews doing this play = he did everything and marner just lucky
Marner doing the same play = Marner just made a basic pass even Domi is able to do and matthews is the only reason that puck goes in
Always the same old hilarious story
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Two areas where Marner's game is boosted by confidence is taking it to the net, goal scoring, which is pretty self explanatory, and the other one is effectiveness in making elusive small area plays, which is his signature for high skill, high IQ vision plays. It's having the confidence to kick a puck to a teammate on a back foot or slip it in for a Bennett across the body on a rush. If you're not feeling the swagger you're going to avoid that play and do something conservative or you're not going to pull it off and look like a twerp.
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He wasn't really that consistent at 4 Nations though. But thriving in the big moments has helped his confidence since coming back for sure. It's not like he lacks it, but sometimes it ebbs and flows.
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What happened at the Four Nations that might leaving a lasting impression on him?
Did he go through some adversity?
Did he experience playing with elite level players who have won it all?
Let's be honest here, playing with the Leafs he hasn't been exposed to that calibre of play from teammates.
No the Memorial Cup isn't the same, you're playing against the best kids in the CHL, not the best players in the world within a restricted age group.
I don't know, think there is a subtle change.
Maybe wishful thinking.
Did he go through some adversity?
Did he experience playing with elite level players who have won it all?
Let's be honest here, playing with the Leafs he hasn't been exposed to that calibre of play from teammates.
No the Memorial Cup isn't the same, you're playing against the best kids in the CHL, not the best players in the world within a restricted age group.
I don't know, think there is a subtle change.
Maybe wishful thinking.
lol
It's the same Mitch. I'm sure he gained some valuable experience playing in the tourney, but it's still the same dude from 3 weeks ago.
I did watch an interview where he looked a lot more comfortable, but it was likely because it wasn't the usual a-holez trying to badger a bad take out of him.
It's the same Mitch. I'm sure he gained some valuable experience playing in the tourney, but it's still the same dude from 3 weeks ago.
I did watch an interview where he looked a lot more comfortable, but it was likely because it wasn't the usual a-holez trying to badger a bad take out of him.
