Kings Article: Dirty, Greasy Goals Would Be Just What The Doctor Ordered For LA Kings

[FrozenRoyalty]

Dirty, Greasy Goals Would Be Just What The Doctor Ordered For LA Kings

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[Telos]

I disagree with the title. I think dirty, greasy goals are exactly what got us into this mess. Our offense is: dump the puck in, cycle to the point along the boards, get a forward to the net, and fling the puck randomly in the direction of the net. Our offense is mired in getting as many old school, low chance, shots to the net as possible and hoping the puck bounces in. We are outshooting our opponents and still losing games 0-3, and part of that is puck luck, but our entire offense is based on puck luck. I mean everyone can see it, I am sure the Kings are aware of it as they are playing teams now routinely who are passing the puck cross ice and roofing it on Quick while we are shooting pucks into shins hoping for a pinball into the net. Our system and defensemen aren't getting it done, I think it might be time to for a change in philosophy.

 

[apadilla]

Nice read. Thanks. And I'd add Stinky to Dirty and Greasy.

 

[damacles1156]

I disagree with the title. I think dirty, greasy goals are exactly what got us into this mess. Our offense is: dump the puck in, cycle to the point along the boards, get a forward to the net, and fling the puck randomly in the direction of the net. Our offense is mired in getting as many old school, low chance, shots to the net as possible and hoping the puck bounces in. We are outshooting our opponents and still losing games 0-3, and part of that is puck luck, but our entire offense is based on puck luck. I mean everyone can see it, I am sure the Kings are aware of it as they are playing teams now routinely who are passing the puck cross ice and roofing it on Quick while we are shooting pucks into shins hoping for a pinball into the net. Our system and defensemen aren't getting it done, I think it might be time to for a change in philosophy.

That I believe would require an entire roster change, This team is less skilled than the 2012 team.

I doubt Lombardi is keen on playing any other type of system.

 

[LAKings88]

That I believe would require an entire roster change, This team is less skilled than the 2012 team.

I doubt Lombardi is keen on playing any other type of system.

By losing Penner, Richardson, and Scuderi?

I don't know what it is but the Kings still get a few quality shots a night, I don't buy that everything is a crap shot. Players might be gripping the stick to tight or just mentally and physically out of tune.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

By losing Penner, Richardson, and Scuderi?

I don't know what it is but the Kings still get a few quality shots a night, I don't buy that everything is a crap shot. Players might be gripping the stick to tight or just mentally and physically out of tune.

Yep. Passing on quality shots looking for a perfect play, yet not getting to the rebounds for the quantity shots. At first, they were thinking too hard, now it seems they're just going for volume hoping for a breakthrough but without emotion. Can't get the greasy goals if you don't want to go there. It can be frustrating when all your hard work isn't paying off, but that's exactly what it takes to get out of this slump. I also agree with Telos that thinking only that way is what got us here in the first place, but to get out, it's gonna take hard work and grease, but also creativity and less self-pressure.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Sloppy would be great too.

 

[Kurrilino]

sure..........

sometimes i really have to wonder players are told to say specific things.

"it's not just the offense, we have to tighten the defense"

So we are 1st in NHL in goals against and we have to tighten the defense instead boosting the offense ??????

I thought i lost it when TM was the head clown but this is a real good one.

I never thought i would say this but if Lombardi is the real reason for our hockey style he has to go with Sutter.
I admit i was suspicious why he replaced Murray with even more Murray if there are billions of proofs it doesn't work.

I would love to see interviews like that in Chicago or Toronto.
People would chase the guys out of the town swinging pitchforks.

Kopitar, Brown, Carter, Richards, Williams are all 30 goal scorer who would combine for a 2 goals per game stat.
Toffoli, King, Vey and Frattin are really skilled to chip in some more goals.
And people are telling me we don't have the skill to play another system ????

Heck... other teams would kill for a top 6 like we have.

 

[damacles1156]

By losing Penner, Richardson, and Scuderi?

I don't know what it is but the Kings still get a few quality shots a night, I don't buy that everything is a crap shot. Players might be gripping the stick to tight or just mentally and physically out of tune.

No what I mean is this roster is older....Players do age.

Richards is older, Brown is older, Mitchell is starting to show his age.

A-Mart is not the same, Greene is not the same, Stoll ETC.

The only Kings that are currently playing at a high level is Kopitar and Carter, Nolan, Quick, Drew, Williams, King.

 

[Kurrilino]

No what I mean is this roster is older....Players do age.

Richards is older, Brown is older, Mitchell is starting to show his age.

A-Mart is not the same, Greene is not the same, Stoll ETC.

The only Kings that are currently playing at a high level is Kopitar and Carter, Nolan, Quick, Drew, Williams, King.

by older you mean they enter their prime ?????

 

[damacles1156]

by older you mean they enter their prime ?????

Prime is 24 to 27 for production , the 28 and older has been debunked on this very message board a number of times.

Men hit physical prime from 28 to 33 (about), but that does not translate to production for hockey players.

The most productive years for Hockey players on Average are between 24 to 27.

 

[damacles1156]

Also consider this.....

Lets say Lombardi has some sort of stroke and decides to play a more offensive up tempo style of hockey.....

You know how long it's going to take Kopitar to BREAK his habbits of passive offense and never cheating in the D zone ?

We are talking Seasons people, not weeks.....SEASONS.

Kopitar would be near 30 by the time he broke some of the habbits in his game....If he even breaks them at all.

Kopitar is never going to be a 80 to 90 point player consistently.

It's never going to happen.....

Mike Richards is done being an Elite Defense center, and 60+ point player....Those days are over and dead.

 

[theMajor]

sure..........

sometimes i really have to wonder players are told to say specific things.

"it's not just the offense, we have to tighten the defense"

So we are 1st in NHL in goals against and we have to tighten the defense instead boosting the offense ??????

I thought i lost it when TM was the head clown but this is a real good one.

.

LA is averaging 2.07 goals against per game, in their last nine games, they have allowed 2.78 goals per game. this is exactly what hes addressing in his quote above

looks like someone didnt read the article in the OP

 

[Chain]

Yep. Passing on quality shots looking for a perfect play, yet not getting to the rebounds for the quantity shots. At first, they were thinking too hard, now it seems they're just going for volume hoping for a breakthrough but without emotion. Can't get the greasy goals if you don't want to go there. It can be frustrating when all your hard work isn't paying off, but that's exactly what it takes to get out of this slump. I also agree with Telos that thinking only that way is what got us here in the first place, but to get out, it's gonna take hard work and grease, but also creativity and less self-pressure.

That's exactly what's been frustrating me. I can't count how many times they seem to overpass it around the perimeter and then end up losing the puck on a pass when they had several chances to take a shot. But they've also got to get down in the middle more and try to create shots from there. There's just not enough offensive creativity right now. Like Telos said, maybe it's time for a philosophy change - at least a tweak. I liked the lineup change with TT, Carter and Kopi but I think they need to "take the chains" off the offense to get the most out of it.

 

[Kurrilino]

LA is averaging 2.07 goals against per game, in their last nine games, they have allowed 2.78 goals per game. this is exactly what hes addressing in his quote above

looks like someone didnt read the article in the OP

I read the article from beginning and finished it.
And i have to say i am not a least bit concerned about an allowed goal of 2.78.
What really concernes me that we have a goals 1.11 goals for in these 9 games.
Even if we tighten our defense and go back to a 2.07 goals against
we lose the game by 1.6 goals


So talking about tighten the defense is absolutely ridiculous.
Our brass needs a reality check and that fast.

We have to get rid of Sutter and don't replace him with Sutter 2.0.
Our PP coach has to bring an offensive plan to the table to fix the offense and the PP or he has to go as well.

If Lombardi is blocking these moves he has to leave ASAP.

We are done playing around and running as system from 1964

 

[damacles1156]

I read the article from beginning and finished it.
And i have to say i am not a least bit concerned about an allowed goal of 2.78.
What really concernes me that we have a goals 1.11 goals for in these 9 games.
Even if we tighten our defense and go back to a 2.07 goals against
we lose the game by 1.6 goals


So talking about tighten the defense is absolutely ridiculous.
Our brass needs a reality check and that fast.

We have to get rid of Sutter and don't replace him with Sutter 2.0.
Our PP coach has to bring an offensive plan to the table to fix the offense and the PP or he has to go as well.

If Lombardi is blocking these moves he has to leave ASAP.

We are done playing around and running as system from 1964

Pretty much all Hockey system's are as old as the game itself....

No one has some new fancy system. The Hawks system can be pre-dated to the Montreal teams of the 1960's. Speed and Up tempo.

Lombardi will hire Sutter 2.0.....This is how Lombardi wants to play hockey....I don't understand how people think other-wise.

Lombardi drafts for this system, the Monarchs are coached similar.

Morris runs an almost identical system...

 

[Kurrilino]

well then Lombardi has to go.

Easy and simple