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Dino Ciccarelli's Playoff Career...

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What do you make of it?

I missed all his runs in the 80s and very early 90s. His scoring stats look quite good (he had at least three goals in every single run but one), but how was he minus 41 in his career with those numbers? Did he goal suck often in the post season?

He was a plus player (and a meagre +1 at that) just once in the playoffs in his NHL career.
 
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Well, when you're on a club that gets eliminated in the 1st round every year, you tend to accumulate the minuses (see also: Hawerchuk).

Dino was a PP guy, which tends to be more acute in the playoffs when checking is tight. Hard to score at even strength. 38% of his RS goals were on the PP, but 47% in the Playoffs.

Yzerman was also a pretty noticeable 'minus' until 1997, his 12th post-season.
 
One thing about Dino, he has 73 playoff goals. That's a lot of mustard. However, outside of 1981 there isn't a strong run from him. So that 73 has more of a compiler type of feel to it. I can't call him a great playoff performer as much as I would call him someone who usually produced alright. I'm not sure if that's good or not, but it is what it is.
 
He was a specialist. Poor skater, awful defensively, but a machine in front of the net. Played a really gritty game too.

The HHOF has long shown a preference for elite specialists like Ciccarelli or Housley, over more well-rounded players.
 
He was a specialist. Poor skater, awful defensively, but a machine in front of the net. Played a really gritty game too.

The HHOF has long shown a preference for elite specialists like Ciccarelli or Housley, over more well-rounded players.


Is specialist though the right word for a goal scorer even a PP guy?

Your description of him is very accurate though I would call him more one dimensional or not a fully balanced or complete player.

One thing about Dino, he has 73 playoff goals. That's a lot of mustard. However, outside of 1981 there isn't a strong run from him. So that 73 has more of a compiler type of feel to it. I can't call him a great playoff performer as much as I would call him someone who usually produced alright. I'm not sure if that's good or not, but it is what it is.

A compiler is a term that I often have problems with as well as Dino had years were he scored 8 goals in 8 games then 3 years in a row when he scored 5,4 and 5 goals in 7 game playoffs.

To me a compiler is more a guy who hangs around well past his due date to get points or rides shotgun and isn't the primary scorer on his team but maybe that's just me.
 
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I don't necessarily think of Dino as a compiler. I mean, he was to an extent, but at his best, he was a really dangerous goal scorer in tight, including the playoffs. Definitely less of a "compiler" than Andreychuk. Though he also never had the "well rounded veteran leader" phase of his career like Andreychuk did.

Edit: I realize I'm kind of mixing up regular season and playoffs in my posts here. But I think they still largely hold true to the playoffs - Dino's overall positive impact was pretty much limited to the net front area, but he was quite good there. Good mucker/screener in front of the net too, even when he wasn't getting the goal himself.
 
A compiler is a term that I often have problems with as well as Dino had years were he scored 8 goals in 8 games then 3 years in a row when he scored 5,4 and 5 goals in 7 game playoffs.

To me a compiler is more a guy who hangs around well past his due date to get points or rides shotgun and isn't the primary scorer on his team but maybe that's just me.

Dino is definitely not a compiler that way. He never hung around and scored 15 goals a season just to pump up his numbers. He scored 35 in 1997, then was retired by 1999. What I meant about his playoffs is that he put those 73 goals together in a way we as sports fans don't always like. I mean, the guy is 13th in playoff goals, that's pretty good. 19th for goals in the regular season. But was he a playoff warrior? No, but I wouldn't call him a poor playoff performer either. He doesn't have those peak years in the playoffs like a guy such as Kurri or even Brett Hull would have had. Or Anderson even. And it isn't as if he got those 73 goals in 250 playoff games, he did it in 140. Not bad. His teams just didn't normally go very far when he was in a position to be the big difference maker.
 
And it isn't as if he got those 73 goals in 250 playoff games, he did it in 140. Not bad

That sound a bit harsh to me for someone that scored at 43 goals in 82 games pace in the playoff in is career, among 50 playoff goals scorer Ciccarelli is above people like Hull, Shutt in is career goal per game:

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Thats having 100% of your playoff games played between 80 and 1996 just before the DPE and before old age will do, but even in that context:

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It is above the not bad and clearly into good category in that regard, that above name like Messier, Anderson, Savard, Claude Lemieux close to Gretzky-Kurri, now your better being not bad category to be in the hall if it is the main thing you do.
 
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Ciccarelli was a great goal scorer. In the '80s and early '90s, he was actually particularly famous for his goal scoring in the playoffs. It seemed that year after year he put up big numbers in the playoffs....even though he didn't play for many successful teams.

The plus minus numbers are no big deal....they are mostly a function of the teams he played for.
 
Ciccarelli was a beloved player on those ‘90s Red Wings teams. Nobody on that team scored more goals from ‘93 to ‘96 in the playoffs than his 24 goals. That said, however, he often took dumb penalties in the playoffs.
In the '96 loss to Colorado, it seemed like some key Avs goals were scored with Ciccarelli in the penalty box. He was trying to draw penalties, but ended up being penalized himself.

He had a reputation for being a diver, and once that became known it was harder for him to get the benefit of the doubt from officials.
 
In the '96 loss to Colorado, it seemed like some key Avs goals were scored with Ciccarelli in the penalty box. He was trying to draw penalties, but ended up being penalized himself.

He had a reputation for being a diver, and once that became known it was harder for him to get the benefit of the doubt from officials.

Also famous for "I can't believe I shook his freakin' hand."
 
He was a specialist. Poor skater, awful defensively, but a machine in front of the net. Played a really gritty game too.

The HHOF has long shown a preference for elite specialists like Ciccarelli or Housley, over more well-rounded players.

Then why is Kevin Lowe in the HHOF instead of Esa Tikkanen? Lowe was a well rounded, very good, "boring" defenceman. Tikkanen was an elite specialist, actually multiple specialists in one player.
 
Also famous for "I can't believe I shook his freakin' hand."

"That pisses me right off"


Dino is the sort of player that makes the over-emphasis on playoffs especially frustrating. He wasn't a great playoff performer, a bit too dependent on PP scoring for that. But he was a guy you'd want in your foxhole when things got mean. Backed down from nobody, scored greasy goals, left it all on the ice every night. There are a lot of Cup winners out there who played a less playoff-friendly game.
 
But was he a playoff warrior? No, but I wouldn't call him a poor playoff performer either. He doesn't have those peak years in the playoffs like a guy such as Kurri or even Brett Hull would have had. Or Anderson even. And it isn't as if he got those 73 goals in 250 playoff games, he did it in 140. Not bad. His teams just didn't normally go very far when he was in a position to be the big difference maker.

dino wasn't a consistent playoff producer but he had some high highs. as a rookie, he helped minnesota to the finals and still holds the rookie playoff goals and points records, with 14 and 21, respectively. i think the points record stood unopposed for 35 years, until guentzel tied it.

my clearest dino in the playoffs memory is 1990 in washington. that great defensive washington team built around langway couldn't get out of the patrick division for the entire 80s. even with langway, stevens, great defensive forwards like bengt-ake gustafsson, gaetan duchesne, bobby gould, older jarvis, later kelly miller and dale hunter, plus good two way guys like dave christian, mike ridley, craig laughlin, those deep teams never won. and it's not like they were losing to the islanders and flyers every year. they lost division finals to the rangers and the upstart '88 devils. and the narrative is they could defend but they couldn't score, and the blame fell on their offence built around gartner, bobby carpenter, and larry murphy. look at the 1985 team that finished third in the league, career 50 goal years by gartner and carpenter, langway in his top five in hart voting peak, doug jarvis second in selke voting, stevens and murphy in their primes — their first round against the aging islanders with trottier hobbled was five one goal games (not counting an EN in game four) and they lost four of them. they were even better in '86 (50 wins, 107 points) but lost three one goal games to the rangers, including two in OT. and '88, which really should have been their year, with the addition of finally a star goalie in pete peeters (who led the RS in GAA and the playoffs in SV%), they were upset by the devils. game seven came down to one goal in the third period, and washington wasn't the team that scored it.

the offseason after those playoffs, gartner and murphy got traded for ciccarelli and rouse. the other guy they added was geoff courtnall from edmonton. they lost again in '89, but then in 1990, ciccarelli goes wild in the first round. 8 goals, 11 points in six games. hat trick (and an assist) in game one, including the 5-4 OT winner. courtnall with two game winners and the immortal john druce picking up the other one. then when dino got hurt in round two, john druce made himself a legend (9 goals, 11 points in five games). the last two games of the series both went to OT and washington won them both, including druce's OT winner to take the series. courtnall had nine points, and assisted on both of druce's game winners, with druce assisting on courtnall's GWG. then they got swept by the bruins, but that was the first time washington made it to the wales finals. these were supposed to be the new clutch capitals, with stevens taking over for langway, hatcher stepping into stevens' role, hunter, miller, and ridley establishing themselves as the new two-way core up front, with ciccarelli and courtnall scoring clutch goals.

then obviously something very very bad happened and that team was blown up.

but by the time detroit went to the finals in 1995, there was still the idea that ciccarelli was the guy you'd count on to score when you needed one, because at that time, yzerman was considered a choker and nobody trusted the europeans yet. for his part, ciccarelli co-led detroit in goals, with nine, which also was third in the playoffs, behind conn smythe claude lemieux and art ross jagr.
 
Then why is Kevin Lowe in the HHOF instead of Esa Tikkanen? Lowe was a well rounded, very good, "boring" defenceman. Tikkanen was an elite specialist, actually multiple specialists in one player.

The real reason is probably partly that Lowe was a part of the good old boys network for decades after he retired as a player...

But I think of Lowe as the opposite of "well-rounded."
 
He was never known as a playmaker but his playoff stats are a bit lopsided. Between 89-96 he played 73 playoff games, and scored 42 goals with only 19 assists.

Spectacular goal scoring numbers for the playoffs in any era. It's always a bit strange to me though seeing guys who hit 40 goals before they get to 20 assists.

To have a stretch where your playoff games basically add up to almost a full seasons worth and to have a 40+ goal pace, that is damn good. And he did that during the middle-back end of his career
 
I always liked this post my buddy made, years ago:

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This is Dino Ciccarelli on your left, he scored 608 goals in NHL and has No Stanley Cups. On your right is one of my all time favourites Darren McCarty. He scored 127 goals and has 4 Stanley Cups, even scored the Cup winner for the Redwings in 1997, You tell me who looks like they gave it all ?
 
I always liked this post my buddy made, years ago:

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This is Dino Ciccarelli on your left, he scored 608 goals in NHL and has No Stanley Cups. On your right is one of my all time favourites Darren McCarty. He scored 127 goals and has 4 Stanley Cups, even scored the Cup winner for the Redwings in 1997, You tell me who looks like they gave it all ?

I am not sure this is fair to Dino. There are few players in NHL history who took more abuse to score goals than Dino. You don't park yourself in front of the net for 20 years and score most of your 608 goals that way and not get battered and bruised. I mean, Dino is looking better than McCarty in this picture, but come on, any member of the Rolling Stones looks like they lived an easier life than McCarty!
 
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