Post-Game Talk: Devils @ Rangers

[SnowblindNYR]

Since it’s only ever happened to TDA, I’m more inclined to think it’s a TDA problem. Just demographically, not even taking into account anything we know about other players on this team, the odds are extremely high that TDAs stances on politics aren’t unique to him at all, yet he’s the only player that had all these issues around him.

I don't think that everyone who shares is politics is getting waived, but he's been the loudest about it.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Chytil, yes. Lindgren is what he is, which fine.

Miller has been awful the whole of February.

Somebody said something about rotten soil?

You think Miller has been rotten? LOL. He's been great. Rookie Dmen are going to make mistakes from time to time. The kid is a stud.

 

[Mandar]

And to answer the million dollar question, I don’t think the Rangers are that point.

That’s really the long and short of it.

Are you hearing any rumblings about potential moves?

 

[DanielBrassard]

They need to get it out of their rock thick skulls that lateral passes and drop passes at the offensive blue line is not a sustainable style of offense in today's league. Teams gameplan it and this team makes it easy.

Everything in the offensive zone is designed to stretch the ice east west. When do you ever see them score the 2 goals like NJ did in the 3rd where they cycle the puck in the corner or behind the net with close puck support and find a guy in the soft areas for a one timer? Never happens.

 

[haveandare]

I don't think that everyone who shares is politics is getting waived, but he's been the loudest about it.

If he were loud and aggressive and starting problems in the room because he likes Sicilian better than regular pizza, the issue wouldn’t be his pizza preference. This is the same thing.

 

[Anthony5967]

I don't think that everyone who shares is politics is getting waived, but he's been the loudest about it.

I think it would've been easier if this was like the NE Patriots. We haven't established sh1t yet here. The GM either since he took over. That's a bold move to axe your PP QB and 53 point, 15 goal d-man for a slap fight with the backup goalie postgame. Look, that doesn't even happen if the coaching staff and room has leadership. GM is accountable as much as the head coach.

 

[Synergy27]

I’m not making an excuse. They didn’t play like a team that wanted to win in the third period.

But I also look at the roster they had in that third period and see what was already an uphill battle, without even taking that into consideration.

High emotions aside from a second, if I named a roster with some of the 6 or 7 names that we had for the third, what would your immediate gut reaction be?

Forget Quinn. Forget other things for a second.

Blind taste test: our roster includes Rooney, PDG, Howden, Hajek, Bitito, Lemieux, Blackwell, and Smith.

What’s the first reaction that pops into your head?

None of that matters. The Devils had their equally terrible roster for the whole game, and they were coming off an insanely long layoff to boot.

This isn’t about the third period. It’s about the fact that they still managed to put themselves in a position where one lucky bounce from a shit team dictates the result.

Yes, the Trouba sequence was unlucky, and is a friggin microcosm of the season as a whole (great play, hit the post, bank in an own goal, get injured), but this has become a regular occurrence and it’s folly to keep chalking it up to luck.

It’s fine to name all of those guys you named, but that conveniently ignores a top 6 that almost every team in the league would be jealous of (on paper at least). Something isn’t right.

 

[Tob]

I don't get why this always needs to devolve into some "who's fault really is it" debate.

I agree Quinn has issues. It can be cliche, but in this case applies - what is his system? where is the team's identity? How can you drop a 5-2 stinker to a team that was off for two weeks. Kakko's development would seem a positive credit to Quinn, but Lafreniere's struggles and the pair's combined lack of production (Lafreniere on track for the worst rookie season for a 1OA in decades...he has been ok/good for the most part and needs better support but at some point numbers matter) beg the question of how exactly they are being coached.

On the flip side the NYR roster came into this season extremely top heavy, the youngest in the league, and has now for one reason or another subtracted it's Hart finalist, the KZB line, and a top 5 dman in scoring last season. Oh and arguably their best C this season and 1.3 top 4 dmen tonight. I think there are a lot of useable parts on the roster but there just isn't enough talent throughout right now.

I choose to credit Kakko's development to his talent that made him a 2OA and his lack of production to Quinn's terrible coaching. I also credit Filip Chytil's progression from a 23 point player in year 1 to a 23 point player in year 2 but in less games to the fact that he's grown from a 19 year old twig to a sturdy trunk of a man at age 21. The credit really goes to our great farmers and ranchers for growing food for Filip

 

[Machinehead]

You think Miller has been rotten? LOL. He's been great. Rookie Dmen are going to make mistakes from time to time. The kid is a stud.

It isn't about mistakes. He's had about 4 or 5 games on end where he's getting caved.

This is after he hit the ground running out of college. Once again, the pattern holds that the results always seem worse here.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

We should have at least hired a college coach that's actually won a college title. I'd hire whoever it was that coached Fox and whoever it was that coached Miller at this point.

Tony Granato is one of like 5 guys who would be a worse hire then dq

 

[Edge]

He's loud about it though.

Its not even loud, it’s what you say, how you say it and when you say it.

Your boss might agree with something you say. But if you’re not sharing and representing it in the best way, and that leads to tension with clients and teammates and others, she or he is at some point going to reach a breaking point.

Unfortunately, that point was reached.

And don’t think other teams haven’t figured shit out by doing their research, which is one of the reasons they aren’t climbing over themselves to play “Let’s make a deal” at this point in time.

 

[Peltz]

I'm probably a minority here, but I also think we're seeing how much of an effect Lundqvist had in that room as a leader. I know we talked about Fast and Staal as well and their leadership, but I truly believe Hank held some guys' feet to the fire even once relegated to back up on competing to the level he knows they can.

Anyone else need a Maker's Mark poured?

I think you're absolutely right. He was the heart of the team every year in which he played.

 

[Edge]

Are you hearing any rumblings about potential moves?

Always chatter. Nothing worth reporting right now.

 

[Fvital92]

Panarin and Miller are injured also.

Yeah, but nobody in their right mind would say that they suck. I also don't think Chytil sucks, but cant remember another scrub like Johnson.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I choose to credit Kakko's development to his talent that made him a 2OA and his lack of production to Quinn's terrible coaching. I also credit Filip Chytil's progression from a 23 point player in year 1 to a 23 point player in year 2 but in less games to the fact that he grown from a 19 year old twig to a sturdy trunk of a man at age 21. The credit really goes to our great farmers and ranchers for growing food for Filip

Thanks for the laugh...gold

 

[Cmox]

On goals from Merkley, Maltsev, and whatever the f*** his name is.

Trouba’s shinpad...

 

[Machinehead]

I don't think the next coach needs to be "the answer," I think the next coach needs to be what Quinn was supposed to be.

We've gotten bad habits, inconsistent effort, and snail-paced development. We were told Quinn was giving us the opposite of that.

 

[Edge]

None of that matters. The Devils had their equally terrible roster for the whole game, and they were coming off an insanely long layoff to boot.

This isn’t about the third period. It’s about the fact that they still managed to put themselves in a position where one lucky bounce from a shit team dictates the result.

Yes, the Trouba sequence was unlucky, and is a friggin microcosm of the season as a whole (great play, hit the post, bank in an own goal, get injured), but this has become a regular occurrence and it’s folly to keep chalking it up to luck.

It’s fine to name all of those guys you named, but that conveniently ignores a top 6 that almost every team in the league would be jealous of (on paper at least). Something isn’t right.

I’m not ignoring anything.

I just think the challenges and problems are more nuanced that “f*** Gorton, fire Quinn” or “hire this guy please.”

 

[17futurecap]

Tony Granato is one of like 5 guys who would be a worse hire then dq

It will be Sullivan if I had a guess right now, pending Pens miss the playoffs or get beaten soundly in the first round. Management for Pit will want to pick their own guy, he has been here before, two Cups as a head coach.

Martin would stay on his staff, it seemed like management let Martin go so guessing they would still have a good working relationship.

 

[Tob]

I think you're absolutely right. He was the heart of the team every year in which he played.

Henrik was distraught in the locker room after our elimination against Carolina saying in disbelief "I'm finished as a Ranger, my time here is over". Little did he know the Rangers were finished as the Rangers and our time is over.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

And to answer the million dollar question, I don’t think the Rangers are that point.

That’s really the long and short of it.

Why? There's no reason for it. There just isn't. What has Quinn ever showed? Last year he got a 60 goal pace from Mika and a Hart season from Panarin. The Rangers still were at a <50% chance of making the playoffs in a regular season and then got swept in the play in round. What has he done to stay? Is it just his buddy that Gorton doesn't want to fire? Is it his pride? There is less than 0 reason to keep him. They have a solid former NHL headcoach on the staff already. This is embarrassing from Gorton.

 

[Fitzy]

And to make things worse this team has me agreeing with Machinehead for f***'s sake. Shit has to be bad for that.

 

[Unpredictable1]

Rangers management need to make a deal with the Caps for a 7th round pick to bring Henrik in as a guest motivational speaker.

I'll absolutely take it LOL

1 cube or 2, or none at all?

 

[Machinehead]

And to make things worse this team has me agreeing with Machinehead for f***'s sake. Shit has to be bad for that.

Sums up my entire career:

 

[DanielBrassard]

I choose to credit Kakko's development to his talent that made him a 2OA and his lack of production to Quinn's terrible coaching. I also credit Filip Chytil's progression from a 23 point player in year 1 to a 23 point player in year 2 but in less games to the fact that he's grown from a 19 year old twig to a sturdy trunk of a man at age 21. The credit really goes to our great farmers and ranchers for growing food for Filip

Tremendous farmers, nobody has better farmers than us folks, believe me.