Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[dgibb10]

Is it a lot?

$13 million
- $4 million for Mercer
=====
$9 million

Assuming a 22 player roster:
- They have 9 forwards signed including Mercer. They need to get to 13. Take out your top 6 LW. That leaves 3 more forwards to sign.
- They have 6 defense signed. Assume they add a top 4 D only (no other signings).

Three players at $833k average = $2.5 million (to keep math simple)

$9 million
- $2.5 million
======
$6.5 milion

Is that enough for a top 4 D AND top 6 LW? Feels like you can only get one of those two at best, and you're not shopping at the top end of the market. Plus, this assumes 22 man roster. You need to allocate another $775k at least if you go with a 23 man roster.

Well we have 15.3 mill to spend and signing mercer at 4 mill leaves us 11.3 mill for the following positions

Meier-Hischier-Bratt
------Hughes-Mercer
Palat-Haula-Holtz
----- ------ -Lazar
Siegs-Hamilton
Hughes-Nemec
--------Marino
Markstrom
Allen

Bastian
Macdermid
Desimone


1 Dman, 1 middle 6 forward (any of the 3rd line could move up into a top 6 role if need be), 2 bottom 6 forwards for 9 mill if you want to preserve rollover cap space.

 

[RSeen]

I wonder if the Devils would have any interest in Lindholm on a one or two year prove it deal, depending on the AAV.

His game definitely fell off since he played with Tkachuk and Gaudreau, but if he’s paid like a 2C, he could be a nice addition to our top six, perhaps as a center for Hughes.

Hughes is the center and Lindholm is going to get a 6 or 7 year term so not realistic.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Well we have 15.3 mill to spend and signing mercer at 4 mill leaves us 11.3 mill for the following positions

Meier-Hischier-Bratt
------Hughes-Mercer
Palat-Haula-Holtz
----- ------ -Lazar
Siegs-Hamilton
Hughes-Nemec
--------Marino
Markstrom
Allen

Bastian
Macdermid
Desimone


1 Dman, 1 middle 6 forward (any of the 3rd line could move up into a top 6 role if need be), 2 bottom 6 forwards for 9 mill if you want to preserve rollover cap space.

theres no reason Bastian should be the 13th or 14th forward; absolutely no one on the team hits more than him and hes one of few Devils who has put his body on the line for the team for multiple years now

Bastian is locked into that fourth line and if he isnt, Fitzgerald is talking our of his ass when he says he wants the team to be tougher to play against (aftwr also trading Bahl)

Like I said I have no interest in Pesce. Suffered big injury last year, reports he lost a step and is getting older. Just sign Matt Roy for less money who just had a great season. Or just keep Marino

Its so simple - just sign the other player

Its not like he has 31 other options!

 

[tailfins]

Well we have 15.3 mill to spend and signing mercer at 4 mill leaves us 11.3 mill for the following positions

Meier-Hischier-Bratt
------Hughes-Mercer
Palat-Haula-Holtz
----- ------ -Lazar
Siegs-Hamilton
Hughes-Nemec
--------Marino
Markstrom
Allen

Bastian
Macdermid
Desimone


1 Dman, 1 middle 6 forward (any of the 3rd line could move up into a top 6 role if need be), 2 bottom 6 forwards for 9 mill if you want to preserve rollover cap space.

Right - forgot Macdermid is included as D. So, right, one less player to sign.

But, as you said, $9 million. Two bottom 6 forwards take up $1.6 of that. So, $7.4 (not $6.5 - my mistake) is what's left for the middle six forward and top 4 D.

Still not seeing where that's a lot?

Pesce even at $5.5 would mean signing a "middle six" forward for $1.9. In a world where Dakota Joshua just got $3.25. Henrique or someone similar at $3 million - $4 million would mean $3.4 - $4.4 million for the D. Maybe you can find a mid pair guy for that? I'd love to get Ferraro (though, his price seems to be going up and I know a lot of people here don't like him).

 

[dgibb10]

theres no reason Bastian should be the 13th or 14th forward; absolutely no one on the team hits more than him and hes one of few Devils who has put his body on the line for the team for multiple years now

Bastian is locked into that fourth line and if he isnt, Fitzgerald is talking our of his ass when he says he wants the team to be tougher to play against (aftwr also trading Bahl)


Its so simple - just sign the other player

Its not like he has 31 other options!

Nathan Bastian is not an effective NHL hockey player without Michael McLeod to carry him.

 

[JimEIV]

Bastian is the toughest softie on the marshmallow team

 

[bossram]

I wonder if the Devils would have any interest in Lindholm on a one or two year prove it deal, depending on the AAV.

His game definitely fell off since he played with Tkachuk and Gaudreau, but if he’s paid like a 2C, he could be a nice addition to our top six, perhaps as a center for Hughes.

Lindholm's going to Boston for a massive (and very bad) contract.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Nathan Bastian is not an effective NHL hockey player without Michael McLeod to carry him.

And we'd know this how? How many games does Bastian have post-McLeod not under Lindy Ruff? Zero

Bastian is the toughest softie on the marshmallow team

maybe true but remove every toughest softie and youre left with just softies

 

[dgibb10]

Right - forgot Macdermid is included as D. So, right, one less player to sign.

But, as you said, $9 million. Two bottom 6 forwards take up $1.6 of that. So, $7.4 (not $6.5) is what's left for the middle six forward and top 4 D.

Still not seeing where that's a lot?

Pesce even at $5.5 would mean signing a "middle six" forward for $1.9. In a world where Dakota Joshua just got $3.25. Henrique or someone similar at $3 million - $4 million would mean $3.4 - $4.4 million for the D. Maybe you can find a mid pair guy for that? I'd love to get Ferraro (though, his price seems to be going up and I know a lot of people here don't like him).

I'd be very happy with

Walman (3.4), Foegele (3), Trenin (2), Duhaime, (1). That would be 9.4, with mercer at 4 that would leave us 1.9 mill in extra cap space and a full roster (macdermid probably replaced by a 900k ELC and is buried in the AHL to save another 200k or so).

Meier-Hischier-Bratt
Foegele-Hughes-Mercer
Palat-Haula-Holtz
Trenin-Lazar-Duhaime
Siegs-Hamilton
Walman-Marino
Luke-Nemec
Markstrom
Allen
Desimone/Hatakka
Bastian
Foote

 

[Zippy316]

Hughes is the center and Lindholm is going to get a 6 or 7 year term so not realistic.

Lindholm could take faceoffs but play wing otherwise.

Feel like his prospects for a long term deal may have dwindled. Maybe he signs for a year at 5 million to hopefully boost his value back to 8 million AAV.

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

To be fair, it was one of the most insane and outlandish trade proposals many of us have seen.

Satire is under appreciated in these parts.

 

[Clam Jensen]

Satire is under appreciated in these parts.

I don’t think that was satire

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

I don’t see how it’s a clear upgrade on ice. Let alone adding the other factors.

If Pesce is being acquired its to play with what we have

He'll be above Luke with Dougie on his offhand, like hes done in the past during ECF runs by Carolina

Team defense sucked last year and, even in our dominant season, we struggled when the puck was kept in our zone longer than ten seconds. Pesce helps that tremendously, slower or not

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

I don’t think that was satire

That’s the best satire.

 

[Devils Trap]

What better C // LWer for Hughes then Stammer !??

Lets just get him

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

What better C // LWer for Hughes then Stammer !??

Lets just get him

At what cost?

 

[Ripshot 43]

At what cost?

A quality Stammer costs at least 24.99 per lb

 

[MartyOwns]

What better C // LWer for Hughes then Stammer !??

Lets just get him

 

[Rhodes 81]

Is it a lot?

$13 million
- $4 million for Mercer
=====
$9 million

Assuming a 22 player roster:
- They have 9 forwards signed including Mercer. They need to get to 13. Take out your top 6 LW. That leaves 3 more forwards to sign.
- They have 6 defense signed. Assume they add a top 4 D only (no other signings).

Three players at $833k average = $2.5 million (to keep math simple)

$9 million
- $2.5 million
======
$6.5 milion

Is that enough for a top 4 D AND top 6 LW? Feels like you can only get one of those two at best, and you're not shopping at the top end of the market. Plus, this assumes 22 man roster. You need to allocate another $775k at least if you go with a 23 man roster.

I meant it's a lot to accomplish with limited space. This is the main reason why I was in-favor of running back the same D once Keefe was brought in. I'm a believer that he will implement a system that improves the defensive results and it would give us a lot of cash to overload the forward group again.

since Bahl was moved, that possibility is out the window. My focus would now shift to Kulikov or a comparable vet that we can bring in to play in the bottom 4 and just hope Luke is up to the task of being the minute eater at even strength. If we need to upgrade LHD mid-season we can look to do it then. Spend the cap space we want to spend on 2 forwards.

 

[NJDevs26]

Closing this for a high post count, might as well start the new one before the draft/FA frenzy