Devils discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[Stephen Gionta]

Decent chance of innocence lol, this has been investigated and covered up for years. Hockey Canada had a vested interest in this not coming out, I don’t get why THAT part of the story is ignored.

You just compared a rape allegation that could have possibly entailed a few horny teenagers crossing a, albeit very serious, line to a premeditated murder.

 

[JK3]

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

You just compared a rape allegation that could have possibly entailed a few horny teenagers crossing a, albeit very serious, line to a premeditated murder.

jesus f***ing christ

 

[njdevils1982]

this works also

 

[glenwo2]

You just compared a rape allegation that could have possibly entailed a few horny teenagers crossing a, albeit very serious, line to a premeditated murder.

jesus f***ing christ

this works also

I think this is most appropriate :

 

[The Grinder]

This isn't Devils team discussion. He doesn't play for this team anymore.

I now see this was the correct take.

 

[Nubmer6]

Or Buium. Or Tij Iginla. Or Demidov.

Someone good is going to be available at 10. Lidstrom is the only one I'd be willing to spend an asset for because he fits our needs for a power forward, center, and speed.

Demidov, I guess, would make me have to consider it too. I mean, he's not a PERFECT fit, being on the smaller side and a wing, but he may just be that much better than what would be available at 10 that it may be worth it.

Buium, for as good as he is, is something we don't necessarily need. I'd rather pick up a shutdown defenseman later in the draft. Iginla is good too, but I don't see him being that much better than what would be available 4 picks later that I'd give up an asset for him. I'd rather keep my power dry and save Holtz for a goalie or defenseman trade.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

You go through a rebuild the likes of the Devils and the person you decide to white knight/defend's departure is Michael McLeod? Boy, it's gonna be a long f***ing summer.

 

[Forge]

This on the heels of, "well, we may just keep because we think we can win" really just says to me that the market isn't there pushing the value up on Markstrom.

 

[Edmonton East]

Why are they "believing" he's innocent? They can simply take the position that we don't know if he's guilty or innocent, and let the court proceedings play out. Which is what they're doing.

You keep referencing the Bauer incident as a counterpart. It's just laughable and not really relevant. Firstly, there is far more sexual assault that goes unreported than is falsely reported. Secondly, in this case, there are multiple people involved and seem to have been coordinated. There will be paper trails (texts, etc.) of this. HC also already paid a settlement to the victim in the hopes that this wouldn't come out. Kind of a big red flag there.


Yep. It's a laughable comparison to begin with.

To be clear, again as stated, I don't think he should be playing given the circumstances. Nor would any NHL team roster him.

However, what's really laughable is you using those two nonsensical arguments that have nothing to do with anything.

1) Oh ok, so your logic here is since more go unreported, just assume anyone accused is guilty. What incredible critical thinking we have here. Even more obtuse when you realize the same could be said for literally ANY crime aside from murder (assault, theft, drunk driving, etc.). It's a pointless, stupid argument in general, but particularly lacks relevance here.

2) No evidence has been revealed to the public to prove coordination at this point. You talk as if there is messaging where McLeod said "hey guys, I got this drunk girl up here to take advantage of. Come on up." Then the authorities this was promptly reported to by Team Canada, not the family, just ignored that evidence for several years. Quite incredible assumptions you are making to arrive at your preconceived notion. Impressive really. Lastly, Hockey Canada snap paying 4 years later also means little. Companies and wealthy individuals do this all the time. It could be as simple Hockey Canada, at a minimum, was dead to rights in violating conduct/reporting policies or simply wanted to protect public image.

Only a complete neanderthal would assume he's 100% guilty based on the evidence that's public so far. Make no mistake, people doing this are just as bad as anyone saying he's definitively innocent. Not enough info public. Period. Let the legal process play out.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Hockey Canada paid the victim a settlement and kept this hidden for years and lost millions of dollars in sponsorships.

I'm not a detective or anything like that, but I'm guessing they didn't do that because the little hockey boys were only guilty of being perfect little angels.

 

[MadDevil]

I blame Craig Conroy for these last few pages. Shit or get off the pot dude, we need something else to argue about.

 

[bossram]

To be clear, again as stated, I don't think he should be playing given the circumstances. Nor would any NHL team roster him.

However, what's really laughable is you using those two nonsensical arguments that have nothing to do with anything.

1) Oh ok, so your logic here is since more go unreported, just assume anyone accused is guilty. What incredible critical thinking we have here. Even more obtuse when you realize the same could be said for literally ANY crime aside from murder (assault, theft, drunk driving, etc.). It's a pointless, stupid argument in general, but particularly lacks relevance here.

2) No evidence has been revealed to the public to prove coordination at this point. You talk as if there is messaging where McLeod said "hey guys, I got this drunk girl up here to take advantage of. Come on up." Then the authorities this was promptly reported to by Team Canada, not the family, just ignored that evidence for several years. Quite incredible assumptions you are making to arrive at your preconceived notion. Impressive really. Lastly, Hockey Canada snap paying 4 years later also means little. Companies and wealthy individuals do this all the time. It could be as simple Hockey Canada, at a minimum, was dead to rights in violating conduct/reporting policies or simply wanted to protect public image.

Only a complete neanderthal would assume he's 100% guilty based on the evidence that's public so far. Make no mistake, people doing this are just as bad as anyone saying he's definitively innocent. Not enough info public. Period. Let the legal process play out.

I'm not saying he's 100% guilty.

I'm saying I'm not "believing" he's innocent and that the Devils should just carry on as if nothing happened if/until there is conviction.

The points I raised aren't really irrelevant. They basically suggest that on the balance of probabilities, something untoward happened. We have reports of some "coordinator" and the fact MM is the only one with an additional charge is...something. We know HC paid to try to make this go away. Whether this all meets the "beyond reasonable doubt" bar for a conviction is a different question.

 

[ndkjr70]

You just compared a rape allegation that could have possibly entailed a few horny teenagers crossing a, albeit very serious, line to a premeditated murder.

this is the most embarrassing post I've read in my entire time on this forum, lurking or otherwise.

"a few horny teenagers crossing a line". I hope you never have a daughter. Frankly I hope you never have a son either.

 

[FinnishDevil]

 

[Mgd31]

In other news Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Finals has been moved to Tuesday, August 6th. Shit.

 

[Saugus]

This on the heels of, "well, we may just keep because we think we can win" really just says to me that the market isn't there pushing the value up on Markstrom.

This might be Conroy splitting hairs and being overly literal. Markstrom didn’t exactly say “I want out”, instead he said this:

 

[glenwo2]

To attempt to get this thread back on track talking DEVILS, @NJDevs26 :

https://x.com/i/web/status/1802861668214718696

Comments? Thoughts?

 

[TrufleShufle]

To attempt to get this thread back on track talking DEVILS, @NJDevs26 :

https://x.com/i/web/status/1802861668214718696

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Why even bring up his no move clause date? Yea its possible and probable the other two get moved but in what world will the Devils trade Marino. Just silly.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Just checking in today as I see lots of movement… maybe a goalie trade, maybe some depth forward movement… instead…

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Someone good is going to be available at 10. Lidstrom is the only one I'd be willing to spend an asset for because he fits our needs for a power forward, center, and speed.

Demidov, I guess, would make me have to consider it too. I mean, he's not a PERFECT fit, being on the smaller side and a wing, but he may just be that much better than what would be available at 10 that it may be worth it.

Buium, for as good as he is, is something we don't necessarily need. I'd rather pick up a shutdown defenseman later in the draft. Iginla is good too, but I don't see him being that much better than what would be available 4 picks later that I'd give up an asset for him. I'd rather keep my power dry and save Holtz for a goalie or defenseman trade.

Very fair take. I think I would agree. Though I do love Buium and think he is going to be a superstar. So I would trade up for him if he is available

 

[Devilsgrl35]

To attempt to get this thread back on track talking DEVILS, @NJDevs26 :

https://x.com/i/web/status/1802861668214718696

Comments? Thoughts?

It's about time we consider trading our 3rd line center before the NMC kicks in.

 

[theoptimist]

To attempt to get this thread back on track talking DEVILS, @NJDevs26 :

https://x.com/i/web/status/1802861668214718696

Comments? Thoughts?

 

[Mgd31]

What the hell, MSG?

 

[MadDevil]

To attempt to get this thread back on track talking DEVILS, @NJDevs26 :

https://x.com/i/web/status/1802861668214718696

Comments? Thoughts?

Siegs is the only one I think they'd even consider moving, and I don't think they're going to cut bait on him so soon. He was injured, didn't have his best partner most of the season, and so many things went wrong that I'm not sure how much to really take from anybody on defense last year.