GDT: Devils @ Canes

[bleedgreen]

As much as I miss Lindy I don’t think for a second he would have the production that Ferland has. We wouldn’t have him on that line, he probably would’ve been third line center - which would’ve been interesting with the winger choices we would’ve had.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Changing the subject a bit:

Carolina Through 20 Games (18-19)
Points = 21
GF/G = 2.6
GA/G = 2.9

Carolina Through 20 Games (17-18)
Points = 22
GF/G = 2.85
GA/G = 2.85

Memo to the FO: beware of the hubris in thinking that changing the culture and leadership will magically fix a roster with a talent deficiency.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Changing the subject a bit:

Carolina Through 20 Games (18-19)
Points = 21
GF/G = 2.6
GA/G = 2.9

Carolina Through 20 Games (17-18)
Points = 22
GF/G = 2.85
GA/G = 2.85

Memo to the FO: beware of the hubris in thinking that changing the culture and leadership will magically fix a roster with a talent deficiency.

...you and your "Facts"...that's FAKE NEWS...GTFO with that, how dare you. Respect my authoritay!

 

[A Star is Burns]

Changing the subject a bit:

Carolina Through 20 Games (18-19)
Points = 21
GF/G = 2.6
GA/G = 2.9

Carolina Through 20 Games (17-18)
Points = 22
GF/G = 2.85
GA/G = 2.85

Memo to the FO: beware of the hubris in thinking that changing the culture and leadership will magically fix a roster with a talent deficiency.

Although a culture change was a large part of their vision, they did make a large amount of roster turnover, and brought in some pieces that are capable of producing more than what they replaced. So far, they got more production out of Ferland than we've been getting out of Lindholm. Hamilton is still probably an upgrade over the current version of Hanifin as well, and hopefully has more to give as he gets acclimated.

Where they fell flat so far is the young talent wasn't quite where they expected it to be, and that's what they were counting on to cover for moving out Skinner. So, Necas wasn't ready to contribute, the guy they were likely to fall back on in that case, Rask, was hurt and unable to take over in that spot, and Svech hasn't been capable of carrying a bad line even though he looks pretty good at times. We'll see how it all fits together as the youth hopefully ascends, and maybe Rask adds a slight bit of depth back to the equation.

 

[GoldiFox]

Ferland and Svechnikov are tied with John Tavares at #3 in the league in generating individual High Danger Scoring Chances For (29).

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[SaskCanesFan]

Changing the subject a bit:

Carolina Through 20 Games (18-19)
Points = 21
GF/G = 2.6
GA/G = 2.9

Carolina Through 20 Games (17-18)
Points = 22
GF/G = 2.85
GA/G = 2.85

Memo to the FO: beware of the hubris in thinking that changing the culture and leadership will magically fix a roster with a talent deficiency.

Don't trade away talent when you're already short on it, should be easy to grasp. But no, something something "leadership" something something "didn't want to be here"

 

[CandyCanes]

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Ferland and Svechnikov are tied with John Tavares at #3 in the league in generating individual High Danger Scoring Chances For (29).

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

The Canes have 7 guys in the top 30 in high danger scoring chances. Too bad it doesn’t result into more goals.

 

[Lurk Muller]

I'm a little surprised when I think back on all the crap Skinner got for not using his line mates.... Like when did we ever have 9 legitimate top 9 forwards that jeffy was holding anyone back due to puck hogging.

Maybe he refused to acknowledge how strong RBA is or something.

 

[CandyCanes]

I'm a little surprised when I think back on all the crap he got for not using his line mates.... Like when did we ever have 9 legitimate top 9 forwards that jeffy was holding anyone back due to puck hogging.

Maybe he refused to acknowledge how strong RBA is or something.

Rumor has it he outlasted RBA on the bike and beat him in an arm wrestling match.

 

[GoldiFox]

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The Canes have 7 guys in the top 30 in high danger scoring chances. Too bad it doesn’t result into more goals.

I agree. And to be honest I'm not even quite sure what constitutes a High Danger Chance so take it with a grain of salt. The 7 Canes in the top-30 (in order) are Ferland/Svechnikov (29), Staal/Wallmark (26), Aho/Williams/Martinook (25). For a silly, but objective (I guess?), comparison McDavid, Crosby, Gaudreau, and Draisaitl are all tied at #31 with 22 iHDCF.

However my hopeful point would be in looking the current points of those 7: Aho (23), Ferland (14 - 10 goals), Williams (12), Staal (9), Svechnikov (8), Martinook (6), and Wallmark (5)

Williams, Staal, Martinook, and Wallmark are 4 guys whose "High Danger" plays are a bit on the light side. I'm a lot more confident that Svechnikov will start moving closer to the Aho/Ferland side in converting those chances.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

And to be honest I'm not even quite sure what constitutes a High Danger Chance so take it with a grain of salt.

Just looked this up.

It's based on a point rating system where you need 3 points to be considered a "high danger chance" 1 point is given to outside shots, 2 points to the slot and sides of the net, and 3 points to right in front of the net.
Add 1 point if the shot is considered a "rush shot" or off a rebound. Remove one point if the shot is blocked.

The Canes players with the most high danger chances are (as said above):

Svech (29): makes sense as he does a lot of work right in front
Ferland (29): this is from Aho setting him up with those sweet passes in the slot
Staal (26): I think this number is the same as the number of times hes had half the net open and put it into the goalies chest
Wallmark (26): he cannot finish as shown by his 2.22 shooting percentage
Williams (25): See Staal and Wallmark
Aho (25): Converting on these better than anyone but Ferland
Martinook (25): From work in close - interesting to note he is converting on these better than both Williams and Wallmark.

Edit: got my description of High Danger Chances here: Natural Stat Trick - Glossary

 

[emptyNedder]

Ferland (29): this is from Aho setting him up with those sweet passes in the slot

I think this is the main difference. Svech has received a few nice passes from Wallmark.
Wallmark has received very few good passes, most of his HDC are from transition/turnovers.
Staal gets most his chances from rebounds loose pucks during scrambles.

The Canes shoot too much and don't pass enough. There was an in-depth discussion at Hockey-
Graphs about how playmaking/passing is more valuable than sniping/shooting skills.

 

[AD Skinner]

I've been banging this drum out loud to no one while I'm watching the games- no one passes across across the middle. Not on the power play, not off the rush, never. I remember a few times on two on ones they'd get real close together in the middle and then pass to a third guy trailing, which is a nice play but still not the same. They never get the goalie moving laterally. No wonder the shooting percentage is so low, the goalie is always ready

 

[GoldiFox]

I've been banging this drum out loud to no one while I'm watching the games- no one passes across across the middle. Not on the power play, not off the rush, never. I remember a few times on two on ones they'd get real close together in the middle and then pass to a third guy trailing, which is a nice play but still not the same. They never get the goalie moving laterally. No wonder the shooting percentage is so low, the goalie is always ready

Passing across the middle would take an individual play which is the opposite of Rod's team system. Instead teammates tangent to the puckholder are constantly scrambling to the outside in order to provide a safe passing outlet and maintain possession. Rarely are guys trying to create an actual scoring play by streaking across the middle. Because rarely do the Canes players seem willing to hold the puck, beat the man attacking them or make a stickhandling play, and create a scoring chance across the middle.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I've been banging this drum out loud to no one while I'm watching the games- no one passes across across the middle. Not on the power play, not off the rush, never. I remember a few times on two on ones they'd get real close together in the middle and then pass to a third guy trailing, which is a nice play but still not the same. They never get the goalie moving laterally. No wonder the shooting percentage is so low, the goalie is always ready

Yep. I think it's part a lack of vision and talent, and part coaching. A turnover in the middle of the ice has little chance to regain the puck and is a likely odd man rush the other way cause the interceptor has all the ice to work with. A turnover on the boards takes away most of the ice (especially if the guy is on his offhand to the boards), so you can pressure the guy into making a quick decision or pin/chase him deep until everyone else is in position. So rod plays it safe.

 

[emptyNedder]

I've been banging this drum out loud to no one while I'm watching the games- no one passes across across the middle.

Except Teravainen. His pass gave Ferland an open net for the second goal of the NJ game. That is one of the main reasons why I am constantly amazed when people think TT can be easily replaced. In today's NHL movement and passing are much more likely to win games than grittiness.

 

[Bub]

I've been banging this drum out loud to no one while I'm watching the games- no one passes across across the middle. Not on the power play, not off the rush, never. I remember a few times on two on ones they'd get real close together in the middle and then pass to a third guy trailing, which is a nice play but still not the same. They never get the goalie moving laterally. No wonder the shooting percentage is so low, the goalie is always ready

Wish I could find it, but an NHL stats guy posted about this on the Twitter last week. Was trying to figure out why we have so many shots/chances but so few goals. One of the things he noticed was that they take "early" shots more often than they try for cross-ice passes, to get the goalie moving.

 

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[Lempo]

If I went back in time I would go to 1986 and tell everyone I meet that the dork in Moonlighting will become the action star of the 90's.

They would laugh at me, but then it would become 1988, and they would see Twins, and they would know fear.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

To be fair, if my cross-ice passes were as easily picked off as the Canes' typically are, I'd stop making them too

 

[MinJaBen]

Cross ice passes to the feet are less impactful than a shot.

 

[tarheelhockey]

@tarheelhockey haven't been around. Did he lose a bet again, or win it this time?

Same goes for @Boom Boom Apathy , they both understood that this season is a waste

Not a total waste... at least they’re building on actual talent this time. Not just crapping away seasons on B-listers who don’t want to be here.

I’ve taken a pretty big step back from HF and hockey social media in general. Something happened which doesn’t need to be aired here (and which had nothing to do with HFCanes) that made me take a couple of days to re-evaluate the way I interact with this site, and next thing I knew that couple of days became a couple of weeks, and the itch to log in every 15 minutes just wasn’t there any more. And the thing is, the games are more fun when I’m not worried about LeafsFan1967’s hot take on Pesce or our attendance or how we celebrate wins. I’m just enjoying the games for their own sake and leaving the rest of my mental space for other things. Which is nice because I really don’t think I’ve got it in me to agonize over a whole season’s worth of Corsi wins and .890 goaltending and a 19th place finish. It’s probably best for my mental and general health to dial it back early.

 

[Unsustainable]

Just a reminder, Rask has a sister named Fanny.