Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

As a long suffering Sabres fan I hope you turn your fortunes around Red Wings fans and finally make the playoffs again soon. ( not at expense of Buffalo, of course )

 

[cvaicunas]

So now this is getting bumped after a come-from behind win?

What the hell.

May as well buckle up. This thread as legs that might make it to next season.

 

[deca guard]

and if yzerman would have spent more future cap on better ufa the team would have gotten into playoffs past few years to do nothing . lessening his draft spot and future cap space , all at the cost of future success . but many fans are too dense to figure that out and choose to get their kicks by yzer'bashing . too dense to figure out that more expensive ufa signings would have created a problem when signing sides n rayz . also too dense to realize yzerman obviously proved he knew what he was doing in tbay during a dynasty run via drafting n trading , the only thing slowed tbay down was the cap caused them to lose important depth players . how fans can sit here ignoring what yzer did in tbay then the 1st round draft pix he keeps rocking in detroit and bash him is ridiculous . not to mention the absolute all time shambles detroits depth chart was in when he took over , people prove their stupidity by not realizing a depth chart that gone takes minimum 6 or 7 years to rebuild because the hockey talent pool on earth isnt very deep as theres fewer athletes earth wide playing this cold weather sport ! mean while people can play baseball , football , bball world wide near 12 month out of year so theres more good players to draft in other sports so rebuilds happen quicker . mean while guys like asp/cossa/buchnelnikov/finnie/lombardi/augustine are doing great but of course the bashers dont reconize that

 

[WarriorofTime]

Hyperbolic posts like this is why this thread stays at the top of HF main boards.

Hyperbolic posts like yours mostly.

Red Wings have arguably the best prospect pool in the entire NHL. That's because of SFY and his outstanding work building that awesome prospect pool. Wings have at least 14 more young players foaming at the bit to get on the team to help the Wings become a powerhouse again. Yzerman is developing them the right way. Once he unleashes them, watch out! They are coming like a hungry pack of lions that smell blood.

Wings are on their way up. They are going to continue to get better each and every season. They are learning to win big games and that will carry over to the playoffs. Building a winning culture is phase 2 since they already have the most robust prospect pool in the entire NHL.

Keep underestimating Yzerman. Your tears are going to taste soooo good and sweet!

You do realize Yzerman got the GM job with the DRWs literally weeks before the 2019 draft? I doubt you do. Because your comment suggests you don't have a freaking clue.

How does one rebuild an entire scouting staff from bottom up in like 10 days? Lol


Yzerman was stuck using Ken Holland's failed hockey staff. The only guy Yzerman kept was Hakan Andersson, who was the guy responsible for finding Lidstrom, Fedorov, Zetterberg, Datsyuk among others. His NA scouting staff was trash.

Despite all that, SFY selected arguably the top 2, if not the best player of the 2019 draft with his 6th selection. That is the perfect example of how incredible Yzerman is. Yzerman is building a powerhouse. Soon people like you who are clueless with find out.

Bask in the fact Detroit is still rebuilding and didn't make the playoffs. Soon your smugness will smack you right in the face.... and you'll get a big taste of humble pie. Yum.Yum!

Back in 2017, I estimated they should be in by 2027. That was before Yzerman took over or before they drafted Seider/Raymond/Edvinsson/Cossa/Kasper/ASP/Danielson/Mazur/Lombardi/Buchelnikov/Augustine and whoever else they have in the system that looks pretty darn good.

Yzerman is letting his kids marinate and learn their craft. So I expect a slow, yet deliberate rebuild. He's building another powerhouse franchise to go on another 20+ year run. You don't do that in 5-6 years.

I would grade his rebuild to date a B-, not an A+ because of a few subpar FA signings. And because he didn't have the foresight to maximize Walman's trade value.

I would not be surprised if they make the playoffs this season. But I won't be mad if they miss, either -- playoffs are not make or break for Yzerman's future in Detroit, but is for Ladonde. I think a better coach will push them over the hump.

THAT said, I do think the team looks to be on the verge to sync-up and break-out. You see flashes of an small burst before hopefully the full on explosion.

When a GM lands both of Seider at #6 and Raymond at #4 who are some of the best in their respective draft, then he just bought himself an additional 4 years.

Those two picks alone proves Yzerman is one of the best GMs in the league. It's clear to anyone paying attention that yzerman isn't shooting for short term mid success. He's trying to build another dynasty. That takes time.

His prospect pool looks pretty dam deep. Only needs to hit on a few key players. I think Cossa is going to be one of those key players.

I can judge yzerman based on his last 3 first round picks. He's well on his way to building a dynasty.

Just need some later round prospects to pan out, which is surely too early to judge.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

You got a source from 2019 of Yzerman saying the Wings won’t be competitive until 2027?

Way too many fans here seem to think that when Yzerman did in fact say patience was required and it would take time, that he meant non-competitive hockey until almost a decade had passed of his tenure.

Most rational fans took that to mean that yes, it would take 2-3 years to clear out the stench of Ken Holland's mismanagement, but that they would be back in business by year 4-5 of getting back to the postseason.

Like I said before, if the goal of the Red WIngs as an organization was to not return to the playoffs until 2027-28, then they could have hired anyone off the street to be their GM. Yzerman wasn't hired for that - he was hired to be special, not just another run of the mill executive.

and if yzerman would have spent more future cap on better ufa the team would have gotten into playoffs past few years to do nothing . lessening his draft spot and future cap space , all at the cost of future success . but many fans are too dense to figure that out and choose to get their kicks by yzer'bashing . too dense to figure out that more expensive ufa signings would have created a problem when signing sides n rayz . also too dense to realize yzerman obviously proved he knew what he was doing in tbay during a dynasty run via drafting n trading , the only thing slowed tbay down was the cap caused them to lose important depth players . how fans can sit here ignoring what yzer did in tbay then the 1st round draft pix he keeps rocking in detroit and bash him is ridiculous . not to mention the absolute all time shambles detroits depth chart was in when he took over , people prove their stupidity by not realizing a depth chart that gone takes minimum 6 or 7 years to rebuild because the hockey talent pool on earth isnt very deep as theres fewer athletes earth wide playing this cold weather sport ! mean while people can play baseball , football , bball world wide near 12 month out of year so theres more good players to draft in other sports so rebuilds happen quicker . mean while guys like asp/cossa/buchnelnikov/finnie/lombardi/augustine are doing great but of course the bashers dont reconize that are in most cases even know hhow good their doing

Does your phone/laptop not have an enter/return button? Goodness.

Keep drinking that Yzerman bathwater.

May as well buckle up. This thread as legs that might make it to next season.

Yeah, but, you know, you're dense if you don't see the big picture! Stop complaining and daring to expect more as a paying customer/invested fan by year 6! Yzerplan!!!!!

 

[Chainshot]

May as well buckle up. This thread as legs that might make it to next season.

Call it the sine wave of the DRW?

 

[TheDoldrums]

Yzerman has been clear on day one. Armchair GMs in this thread refuse to accept his comment. Instead these professional internet armchair GMs have put in some kind of weird and nonsensical arbitrary timeline. We laugh at that! And we laugh at them!

Yeah if I got a GM job I would also plead to not judge me for 8 years, sounds like a sweet deal.

 

[ShanahanMan]

I’ve been one of Yzerman’s biggest defenders, attributing this shit roster to Holland/Wright tandem for years. 6 seasons in, I’m pretty done. It’s hard to look at his combination of free agent signings/trades/draft picks as anything other than a complete and utter failure.

Sorry Steve.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Way too many fans here seem to think that when Yzerman did in fact say patience was required and it would take time, that he meant non-competitive hockey until almost a decade had passed of his tenure.

Most rational fans took that to mean that yes, it would take 2-3 years to clear out the stench of Ken Holland's mismanagement, but that they would be back in business by year 4-5 of getting back to the postseason.

Like I said before, if the goal of the Red WIngs as an organization was to not return to the playoffs until 2027-28, then they could have hired anyone off the street to be their GM. Yzerman wasn't hired for that - he was hired to be special, not just another run of the mill executive.



Does your phone/laptop not have an enter/return button? Goodness.

Keep drinking that Yzerman bathwater.



Yeah, but, you know, you're dense if you don't see the big picture! Stop complaining and daring to expect more as a paying customer/invested fan by year 6! Yzerplan!!!!!

If we hired just “any GM” then we could have just as easily ended up with Broberg, Perfetti instead of Seider and Raymond.

How does the team look now?

 

[Golden_Jet]

The Red Wings hired the supposed best GM in the game so that he would only start producing results 8 years into his tenure? Absolutely and completely unacceptable. The Red Wings could have hired anyone off the street if that was the plan.

What in the world are we supposed to do until then?

That’s just a bad take,

 

[deca guard]

im thinking warrior troll and kansas city troll are one in the same