Proposal: DET-AZ

[trupp18]

To Arizona:
Tyler Bertuzzi
Joe Veleno
2023 2nd round pick
2024 1st round pick

To Detroit:
Jakob Chychrun

Bert being UFA adds risk to AZ but Veleno could potentially break into a 2C or 3C with AZ. Also, being RFA, AZ could give some term to Veleno at a lower cap hit. Doesn't sound like Detroit can re-sign Larkin and Bert so may as well get something in return.

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[Empoleon8771]

That is a comical overpayment by Detroit and I'm someone who thinks Chychrun has more value than most on here.

Veleno, a 1st and a 2nd for Chychrun alone isn't far off, it's a bit light but it's not super far off. Throwing Bertuzzi on top of that is just way overkill. Replace Bertuzzi with Maatta and it's more reasonable.

 

[ThankGord]

Bert just had surgery on his hand and is out for 6 weeks. Don't think AZ would want him in a Chychrun trade, unfortunately.

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

To Arizona:
Tyler Bertuzzi
Joe Veleno
2023 2nd round pick
2024 1st round pick

To Detroit:
Jakob Chychrun

Bert being UFA adds risk to AZ but Veleno could potentially break into a 2C or 3C with AZ. Also, being RFA, AZ could give some term to Veleno at a lower cap hit. Doesn't sound like Detroit can re-sign Larkin and Bert so may as well get something in return.

Funny. How about Edvinsson straight up for Chychrun?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Funny. How about Edvinsson straight up for Chychrun?

How about No Chychrun is so overrated it's funny.

We're not giving up potentially 15+ years of Edvinsson, for what could only be 2.5 years of Chychrun.

 

[Empoleon8771]

How about No Chychrun is so overrated it's funny.

We're not giving up potentially 15+ years of Edvinsson, for what could only be 2.5 years of Chychrun.

I don't disagree with saying no to that trade, but why is Edvidsson "potentially 15+ years" while Chychrun is "could only be 2.5 years"? You can just as easily say 0 years of Edvinsson because he might not pan out for 10+ years of Chychrun.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I don't disagree with saying no to that trade, but why is Edvidsson "potentially 15+ years" while Chychrun is "could only be 2.5 years"? You can just as easily say 0 years of Edvinsson because he might not pan out for 10+ years of Chychrun.

Edvinsson is doing just fine, he has 9 points in 13 games in Grand Rapids. Chychrun has had one solid year and is injury prone. I'll take my chances with a bigger Edvinsson.

 

[Kaibur]

This is a good offer. I think it would definitely be competitive for Chychrun.

I don't think Bertuzzi has much interest for the Coyotes. He's slated to come back around mid-Jan and he's an upcoming UFA. It's doubtful that the Coyotes would be able to get him going and flip him before the deadline, or that he would re-sign here.

I think the '23 1st with restrictions would be the ask instead of the 2nd.

Maybe:

'23 1st (DET makes playoffs) + '25 1st + Veleno for Chychrun?

 

[Oddbob]

To Arizona:
Tyler Bertuzzi
Joe Veleno
2023 2nd round pick
2024 1st round pick

To Detroit:
Jakob Chychrun

Bert being UFA adds risk to AZ but Veleno could potentially break into a 2C or 3C with AZ. Also, being RFA, AZ could give some term to Veleno at a lower cap hit. Doesn't sound like Detroit can re-sign Larkin and Bert so may as well get something in return.

BARF by a million!

 

[Snuggs]

It's a good offer, and for the Red Wings keeping prospects like Edvinsson and Wallinder is huge. I don't love it though which is probably why its a good offer.

Idk how it'd look totally but Chychrun - Seider could be pretty dynamic. Chiarot probably gets pushed down to the 3rd pair.

Idk how bad Bertuzzi wants to play in ARI but money talks and if they made this trade I'd have to assume they're trying to resign Bertuzzi.

 

[SoupNazi]

Funny. How about Edvinsson straight up for Chychrun?

How about no?

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

To Arizona:
Tyler Bertuzzi
Joe Veleno
2023 2nd round pick
2024 1st round pick

To Detroit:
Jakob Chychrun

Bert being UFA adds risk to AZ but Veleno could potentially break into a 2C or 3C with AZ. Also, being RFA, AZ could give some term to Veleno at a lower cap hit. Doesn't sound like Detroit can re-sign Larkin and Bert so may as well get something in return.

No thanks.

 

[norrisnick]

Funny. How about Edvinsson straight up for Chychrun?

No. I'd rather the Wings just call up Edvinsson and get the NHL calibration started than trade for any LD.

 

[norrisnick]

It's a good offer, and for the Red Wings keeping prospects like Edvinsson and Wallinder is huge. I don't love it though which is probably why its a good offer.

Idk how it'd look totally but Chychrun - Seider could be pretty dynamic. Chiarot probably gets pushed down to the 3rd pair.

Idk how bad Bertuzzi wants to play in ARI but money talks and if they made this trade I'd have to assume they're trying to resign Bertuzzi.

I don't see Chychrun - Seider working any better than Chiarot - Seider has. Seider needs someone that isn't dynamic. Just a steady guy that can move enough to not be a liability and can move the puck reasonably well. A quiet #4.

 

[Schemp]

I don't see Chychrun - Seider working any better than Chiarot - Seider has. Seider needs someone that isn't dynamic. Just a steady guy that can move enough to not be a liability and can move the puck reasonably well. A quiet #4.

Sounds like Moser would be ideal, but the Coyotes aren't shopping him.

 

[biturbo19]

A lot for Detroit to give up, but might not be that far off what a competitive offer for Chychrun ultimately comes in at.

Biggest problem i see, is that UFA risk with Bertuzzi makes him a lot less valuable to Arizona than he might be to other teams.

 

[PelagicJoe]

Lmao. Someone is smoking what Hunter does.

 

[norrisnick]

Lmao. Someone is smoking what Hunter does.

Dale?

 

[Dead Coyote]

This deal makes less than 0 sense for both teams. Way too little for what meets our asking price and way too much in useful assets for DET.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Left defense is exactly what Detroit needs.

 

[Snuggs]

I don't see Chychrun - Seider working any better than Chiarot - Seider has. Seider needs someone that isn't dynamic. Just a steady guy that can move enough to not be a liability and can move the puck reasonably well. A quiet #4.

That's a "theory" right? I almost knew a Wings fan would chime in with this comment but....

Niklas Lidstrom didn't exactly slow-down playing alongside Rafalski, Or Schinder next to Chelios, etc, there are more examples.

I get your point in that Seider doesn't have to play with someone that can carry the pace of play, but does it exactly hurt his game(either player) at the same time? Does it?

Would it rise the play of everyone? Idk but I'm in the camp that is saying it probably would.

No. I'd rather the Wings just call up Edvinsson and get the NHL calibration started than trade for any LD.

yeah, I'll go this route too before trading Edvinsson for most defenseman available right now. It's got to be a special player coming the other way. Edvinsson is looking like he might be able to step right in at some this year even.

 

[Hobnobs]

This is a good offer. I think it would definitely be competitive for Chychrun.

I don't think Bertuzzi has much interest for the Coyotes. He's slated to come back around mid-Jan and he's an upcoming UFA. It's doubtful that the Coyotes would be able to get him going and flip him before the deadline, or that he would re-sign here.

I think the '23 1st with restrictions would be the ask instead of the 2nd.

Maybe:

'23 1st (DET makes playoffs) + '25 1st + Veleno for Chychrun?

Despite OP being a wings fan we have no interest in Chychrun. Espcially not for a 23 1st round and definitely not for two 1st rounders and Veleno

 

[norrisnick]

That's a "theory" right? I almost knew a Wings fan would chime in with this comment but....

Niklas Lidstrom didn't exactly slow-down playing alongside Rafalski, Or Schinder next to Chelios, etc, there are more examples.

I get your point in that Seider doesn't have to play with someone that can carry the pace of play, but does it exactly hurt his game(either player) at the same time? Does it?

Would it rise the play of everyone? Idk but I'm in the camp that is saying it probably would.

See, the trick here is that after Nick graduated from Brad McCrimmon, he was his pairing's steady safe defenseman.

That is not Mo's game. And you don't want that to be his game. Nor do you want that to be Chia's game.

Balance the pairs. It's no different than pairing a passer with a shooter for forwards.

Chychrun would be great to have, but not to play with Seider or Chia or probably even Hronek. So then where would he be? And where would Ed play when he comes up?

The Wings aren't a good option for any top 4 D unless someone goes the other way. And really the only one I'd want to part with is Chia. Good luck with that.

 

[ZDH]

I wouldn't do it for our 1st straight up. It's a terrible strategy for a team that's nowhere close to being a Stanley Cup contender.

 

[Octopus]

To Arizona:
Tyler Bertuzzi
Joe Veleno
2023 2nd round pick
2024 1st round pick

To Detroit:
Jakob Chychrun

Bert being UFA adds risk to AZ but Veleno could potentially break into a 2C or 3C with AZ. Also, being RFA, AZ could give some term to Veleno at a lower cap hit. Doesn't sound like Detroit can re-sign Larkin and Bert so may as well get something in return.

Won't happen given Bert is out again but if he wasn't this trade is ridiculously excessive. Folks...Chychrun is not THAT good. Bert for Chychrun would make more sense and throw in a second MAYBE on Detroit's part to keep the Notes happy. Stevie would never do this deal.