Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[super6646]

Flames fan here. I'd trade Dubas for Treliving any day. He's a good GM.

 

[DarkKnight]

Why are they not comparables? Each one is a franchise level player taken in the Top 5 who signed for 5 or 6 years which are the contract lengths signed by Matthews, Marner and Nylander over the course of the salary cap era. The names have been provided. The contract lengths are all published on Capfriendly. What does the article add?

Okay, let’s look at it another way, how many top young stars are hitting UFA at 26? What bothers me, it was either term or top dollar, he extracted both and got it front loaded to boot. Every check on that contract is with Matthews, a RFA, how can anyone defend that as good work by the GM. It’s because of WHO is the GM, I’m not operating that way.

People saying I hate Dubas, I‘m on record saying he’s drafted well, praised the Gio deal, lauded getting rid of Ritchie and actually get a decent D to boot. Good signing to supplement the forward this last off season. I’ve said all that here, but overall we’ve achieved nothing, so patting him on the back seems ridiculous as the OP title and his followers here suggest. Much of the Dubas slagging is merely checking the unfounded garbage from the Dubists. There is never any nuance, it’s all black and white, his record doesn’t deserve praise. I’m not even calling for his head this off season, but his coach should be sent packing, so how is that blind hate? Not you, just the temperature around here.

 

[Antropovsky]

Since signing his 11 million contract, Mitch marner has 2 goals, 16 points in 19 post season games. He had 0 shots in 24 minutes of ice time in game 7.

Oh well....let's give him yet another chance.

 

[ToneDog]

Flames fan here. I'd trade Dubas for Treliving any day. He's a good GM.

Will you take Mrazek with him?

 

[ACC1224]

Since signing his 11 million contract, Mitch marner has 2 goals, 16 points in 19 post season games. He had 0 shots in 24 minutes of ice time in game 7.

Oh well....let's give him yet another chance.

He had quite a few shots he just didn't hit the net.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Okay, let’s look at it another way, how many top young stars are hitting UFA at 26? What bothers me, it was either term or top dollar, he extracted both and got it front loaded to boot. Every check on that contract is with Matthews, a RFA, how can anyone defend that as good work by the GM. It’s because of WHO is the GM, I’m not operating that way.

People saying I hate Dubas, I‘m on record saying he’s drafted well, praised the Gio deal, lauded getting rid of Ritchie and actually get a decent D to boot. Good signing to supplement the forward this last off season. I’ve said all that here, but overall we’ve achieved nothing, so patting him on the back seems ridiculous as the OP title and his followers here suggest. Much of the Dubas slagging is merely checking the unfounded garbage from the Dubists. There is never any nuance, it’s all black and white, his record doesn’t deserve praise. I’m not even calling for his head this off season, but his coach should be sent packing, so how is that blind hate? Not you, just the temperature around here.

So your response to your argument getting completely refuted is to say "let's look at it another way". That's very clever. A bit transparent mind you, but clever.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Will you take Mrazek with him?

And Keefe!

 

[DarkKnight]

So your response to your argument getting completely refuted is to say "let's look at it another way". That's very clever. A bit transparent mind you, but clever.

Refuted? LOL dude. You like Matthews contract, good on ya. I gave a list of top players salaries and terms, Matthews stands out, he doesn’t like I think it valid. And why are you piling on, bored of soft bashing Marner? Transparent, or projecting

 

[super6646]

Will you take Mrazek with him?

f*** that shit lol.

I'll take a 60 pt Bunting who was acquired for nothing though thx.

 

[Antropovsky]

Refuted? LOL dude. You like Matthews contract, good on ya. I gave a list of top players salaries and terms, Matthews stands out, he doesn’t like I think it valid. And why are you piling on, bored of soft bashing Marner? Transparent, or projecting

Matthews term definitely isn't ideal but Matthews held the cards. We were at his mercy. If he reached RFA status like Marner did, he would have been given a max contract probably from numerous teams.

 

[Racer88]

These guys took less term to lower the AAV so that the Leafs could fit everybody in under the cap and build around them.

I guess time will tell

 

[Antropovsky]

f*** that shit lol.

I'll take a 60 pt Bunting who was acquired for nothing though thx.

I'll take vezina candidate Markstrom for 6 million, who was axquired for nothing, over Bunting myself.

 

[DarkKnight]

Matthews term definitely isn't ideal but Matthews held the cards. We were at his mercy. If he reached RFA status like Marner did, he would have been given a max contract probably from numerous teams.

He did the Oilers manage?

 

[super6646]

I'll take vezina candidate Markstrom for 6 million, who was axquired for nothing, over Bunting myself.

The goalie who had an 853sv% against the Oilers in the playoffs.

I can't imagine what would happen if he pulled off that performance for the Leafs. I think the GTA would burn.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Refuted? LOL dude. You like Matthews contract, good on ya. I gave a list of top players salaries and terms, Matthews stands out, he doesn’t like I think it valid. And why are you piling on, bored of soft bashing Marner? Transparent, or projecting

I said nothing about whether or not I like the Matthews contract. But it's entertaining the way you keep shifting the goalposts.

The goalie who had an 853sv% against the Oilers in the playoffs.

I can't imagine what would happen if he pulled off that performance for the Leafs. I think the GTA would burn.

Truth!

 

[Brobust]

Okay, let’s look at it another way, how many top young stars are hitting UFA at 26? What bothers me, it was either term or top dollar, he extracted both and got it front loaded to boot. Every check on that contract is with Matthews, a RFA, how can anyone defend that as good work by the GM. It’s because of WHO is the GM, I’m not operating that way.

People saying I hate Dubas, I‘m on record saying he’s drafted well, praised the Gio deal, lauded getting rid of Ritchie and actually get a decent D to boot. Good signing to supplement the forward this last off season. I’ve said all that here, but overall we’ve achieved nothing, so patting him on the back seems ridiculous as the OP title and his followers here suggest. Much of the Dubas slagging is merely checking the unfounded garbage from the Dubists. There is never any nuance, it’s all black and white, his record doesn’t deserve praise. I’m not even calling for his head this off season, but his coach should be sent packing, so how is that blind hate? Not you, just the temperature around here.

Tkachuk, Meier, Pettersson have all set themselves up where they are 1 year away from UfA status and have all the leverage but since this doesn't fit your criteria to a T, you win the argument. Congratulations.

 

[DarkKnight]

Tkachuk, Meier, Pettersson have all set themselves up where they are 1 year away from UfA status and have all the leverage but since this doesn't fit your criteria to a T, you win the argument. Congratulations.

Weak.

I said nothing about whether or not I like the Matthews contract. But it's entertaining the way you keep shifting the goalposts.

I’m glad you find it entertaining, you bore the shit out of me with your routine. And btw it isn’t very clever. I’ll leave you the obtuse retort you need apparently all the time, cheers…..

 

[DarkKnight]

As an aside, I find it a bit startling how many are okay with the Matthews contract. I guess I’ll just sit in the weeds, hope we win next year, because the clock is ticking there and I suspect it might become clearer then. I stand firm that Dubas was rolled by all three RFA’s and I suspect agents might see my point.

 

[Brobust]

Weak.

You belong on sports radio.

 

[DarkKnight]

You belong on sports radio.

I don’t have the chops, thats why I’m reduced to “debating” the likes of you.

 

[Stephen]

Okay, let’s look at it another way, how many top young stars are hitting UFA at 26? What bothers me, it was either term or top dollar, he extracted both and got it front loaded to boot. Every check on that contract is with Matthews, a RFA, how can anyone defend that as good work by the GM. It’s because of WHO is the GM, I’m not operating that way.

People saying I hate Dubas, I‘m on record saying he’s drafted well, praised the Gio deal, lauded getting rid of Ritchie and actually get a decent D to boot. Good signing to supplement the forward this last off season. I’ve said all that here, but overall we’ve achieved nothing, so patting him on the back seems ridiculous as the OP title and his followers here suggest. Much of the Dubas slagging is merely checking the unfounded garbage from the Dubists. There is never any nuance, it’s all black and white, his record doesn’t deserve praise. I’m not even calling for his head this off season, but his coach should be sent packing, so how is that blind hate? Not you, just the temperature around here.

I literally gave you a list of Top 5 pick franchise level players who were signed to 5 and 6 year post ELC deals since the cap era started which includes the whose who of the past decade. That’s not actually even the same thing as 26 year olds hitting UFA status because many of them re-signed before hitting the open market. We are 1 full calendar year out from even being able to re-sign Matthews and Nylander so they aren’t even that close to free agency at all.

I’m not a huge Dubas guy. I’m not happy with the contract lengths or dollar amounts and the feeling of insecurity that media and fear mongers want to prey on. But you can’t look at these contracts like they’re these exotically bad deals. Because literally Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Kane, Hedman, Stamkos, Tavares, Huberdeau and Barkov all did the exact same thing. Only Tavares ever walked and that was to come here.

So can we stop with the doomsday nonsense?

 

[Brobust]

I don’t have the chops, thats why I’m reduced to “debating” the likes of you.

I wasn't being complimentary.

 

[Antropovsky]

He did the Oilers manage?

16.67% cap hit vs Matthews 14.64%.

The nhl only has one McDavid but if Matthews wanted to be greedy he could've gotten McDavids cap hit or more.

We shouldn't care that our two time rocket winning, Hart trophy finalist is in a 5 year contract.

We should care that Mitch Marner got a contract no other team was going to sign him to. I think the reason Marner "called dubas and said let's get a deal done" is because he and his agent were discouraged by the offersheets and wanted to get a deal with Dubas done before Dubas knew he held the cards. I think Marner was determined to take whatever contract made him richest... and I think he and his agent signed that contract.

He had 2 goals and 16 points in 19 playoff games since signing that monster contract. 0 shots in 24 minutes in game 7. Hockey is a business... is this what we expect from an 11 million player?

I think you look at Draisaitl and McDavid and that is what we should expect out of two 11 million dollar players on the same line (though Draisaitl make much less).

 

[Gary Nylund]

As an aside, I find it a bit startling how many are okay with the Matthews contract. I guess I’ll just sit in the weeds, hope we win next year, because the clock is ticking there and I suspect it might become clearer then. I stand firm that Dubas was rolled by all three RFA’s and I suspect agents might see my point.

Not sure why you're "startled", it's been explained to you pretty clearly that his contract isn't the shocking outlier that you seem to think it is. Maybe you'd understand better if instead of constantly shifting the goalposts and insulting people, you'd try understand what they're telling you.

 

[Stamkos4life]

16.67% cap hit vs Matthews 14.64%.

The nhl only has one McDavid but if Matthews wanted to be greedy he could've gotten McDavids cap hit or more.

We shouldn't care that our two time rocket winning, Hart trophy finalist is in a 5 year contract.

We should care that Mitch Marner got a contract no other team was going to sign him to. I think the reason Marner "called dubas and said let's get a deal done" is because he and his agent were discouraged by the offersheets and wanted to get a deal with Dubas done before Dubas knew he held the cards. I think Marner was determined to take whatever contract made him richest... and I think he and his agent signed that contract.

He had 2 goals and 16 points in 19 playoff games since signing that monster contract. 0 shots in 24 minutes in game 7. Hockey is a business... is this what we expect from an 11 million player?

I think you look at Draisaitl and McDavid and that is what we should expect out of two 11 million dollar players on the same line (though Draisaitl make much less).

When matthews signed his contract, he had a career high of 73 points. His PO #'s were 7 points in 13 games.

Marner had a career high of 94 points and his Po #'s were 17 points in 20 games.

Marner also signed for 6 years vs only 5 for matthews.

Do you think marner would've gotten 10.9 x 6 if matthews had signed for 11x8 (what he should have gotten)?

Eichel took 10 x 8. Mcdavid took 12.5 x 8. Matthews was better than eichel but the gap between him and mcdavid was larger.

Dubas caved to Nylander and pro rated his contract so that Nylander still got his 7 mil even though he sat out for ~2 months on the team. That set the ball rolling which led to both matthews and marner becoming overpaid. Dubas has to be one of the worst rfa negotiators in the league.