Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[fahad203]

It's the compulsive gambler analogy. They only remember the wins...never the losses or they downplay them to the point they almost don't exist. If people critical of Dubas can admit he did some good things...why can't his supporters admit he did some bad as well?

I have admitted many times the good he has done. He has done a lot of great small things, but really bigger bad things

He can assemble the greatest bunch of players but his coaching and goaltending will always be his demise
His loyalty to fault should what be in question

Keefe should have been fired after the Habs series. Simple as that.

A bad coach who doesn't know how to get the best of your player needs to go. You can put in prime McDavid and he'll find a way to mess up. That's Keefe

Learning on the job is great if you work for McDonalds.

More good than bad to me. I'm willing to give him another year because I like this group.

If you have had enough and want to turn the page I under entirely. I'm on faith.

If he stays I'm sorry it will bother you. Just don’t let it bother you that it doesn't bother me.

I won't cry if he's fired and I'm getting impatient to. I don't see many GMS I'd rather have or any with fewer warts though.

The problem really is Shanny

You get to have one rookie coach or one rookie GM. When you have both rookies, that's a receipy for disaster and disaster we have seen last year and this year

We had Vasi by his balls. Now he has awaken

 

[Sypher04]

Hopefully you don't feel this same way when every single GM in Dubas position does exactly what he did. Players like Matthews ilk simply don't get to free agency historically and now you're hoping and praying he wants to play here, and he takes less than offered elsewhere to do so.

Will you be defending Dubas as vigorously then when some other GM does what he did a steal away a prized UFA when the shoe is on the other foot?

How is this comment remotely relevant to the discussion or what I said? I’m not vigorously defending Dubas, I’m merely stating the fact that players like Tavares pretty well never make it to free agency and you’d be crazy to think just about every GM in the league would not have signed him to the deal we gave him. Sadly for most teams, Tavares was only open to select few locations and has preference so it didn’t really become the craziness it could have.

Matthews right now is under contract and has made zero indication he will test free agency when the time comes. Should that happen, yeah I’d expect every single GM in the league will be trying to get him. And if Matthews eventually opted to go elsewhere am I going to upset/disappointed? Absolutely. But also kudos to the team who gets him I guess - they didn’t do anything wrong just because I wouldn’t like it.

Also, aside from maybe a horrendously bad team with a ton of cap space that Matthews likely wouldn’t want to play for who is really going to outbid us for him? Especially when you consider contract structure (bonuses) etc and the ability to give him the 8th year

 

[ACC1224]

How is this comment remotely relevant to the discussion or what I said? I’m not vigorously defending Dubas, I’m merely stating the fact that players like Tavares pretty well never make it to free agency and you’d be crazy to think just about every GM in the league would not have signed him to the deal we gave him. Sadly for most teams, Tavares was only open to select few locations and has preference so it didn’t really become the craziness it could have.

Matthews right now is under contract and has made zero indication he will test free agency when the time comes. Should that happen, yeah I’d expect every single GM in the league will be trying to get him. And if Matthews eventually opted to go elsewhere am I going to upset/disappointed? Absolutely. But also kudos to the team who gets him I guess - they didn’t do anything wrong just because I wouldn’t like it.

Also, aside from maybe a horrendously bad team with a ton of cap space that Matthews likely wouldn’t want to play for who is really going to outbid us for him? Especially when you consider contract structure (bonuses) etc and the ability to give him the 8th year

If he has a destination in mind they won’t have to outbid the Leafs.

 

[Walshy7]

I guess you can include Rielly, but he was a Lou signing. Going forward, it will be the 5 core guys.

Willie's initially contract looked bad but he has outperformed it.

One can argue a case for all 4 contracts individually. It is as a group that it hinders adding a strong supporting cast IMO.

?? rielly signed his deal on October 29 2021?

 

[Nineteen67]

I guess the consensus in this thread, and around the hockey world, is that Dubas has not passed the test and his failures to date has him in the bottom 50 percentile of his class

What’s done is done, now we’ll sit back and see what his net brings in this season.

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

If he has a destination in mind they won’t have to outbid the Leafs.

Tavares preferred the Leafs, and the Leafs still overpaid in many people's eyes.

Even if Matthews has a destination in mind, he does not strike me as someone who will leave money on the table. So while the other team might not have to outbid the Leafs, they'll certainly be paying top dollar IMO

 

[killer1980]

After every failure, the fans say we should give the organization one more chance. Next year it will be the same. Would be nice to have a boss who says to you, “You don’t have to worry about accomplishing any of the goals you set for yourself and promised the team, we’re gonna keep giving you as many chances as you need until you do”

 

[ACC1224]

Tavares preferred the Leafs, and the Leafs still overpaid in many people's eyes.

Even if Matthews has a destination in mind, he does not strike me as someone who will leave money on the table. So while the other team might not have to outbid the Leafs, they'll certainly be paying top dollar IMO

Exactly, my point. He wanted to come here so the Leafs didn't need to outbid anyone.
If Matthews has a team in mind they won't have to outbid anyone either.

 

[ToneDog]

?? rielly signed his deal on October 29 2021?

Yup but it kicks in next year.

 

[Trapper]

Regular season Dubas gets a B rating IMO.
Post season Dubas gets a D.
This is the pivotal moment (again) on the border of either a C rating or F come playoffs.
If this is his contract year, failure to win a round places him at F rating and he should be replaced.
I don’t want to hear good try anymore, don’t care about the excuses, the refs, we would have beat LA if we played them, whatever.
Just goodbye. The new GM can evaluate and make whatever necessary changes.
That’s how I see it anyway.

 

[killer1980]

Regular season Dubas gets a B rating IMO.
Post season Dubas gets a D.
This is the pivotal moment (again) on the border of either a C rating or F come playoffs.
If this is his contract year, failure to win a round places him at F rating and he should be replaced.
I don’t want to hear good try anymore, don’t care about the excuses, the refs, we would have beat LA if we played them, whatever.
Just goodbye. The new GM can evaluate and make whatever necessary changes.
That’s how I see it anyway.

And, the only thing that really matter IS the playoffs. I really don’t understand the magical hold the GM has over the MLSE Board. The only thing I can say, I have seen that can of devotion to a boy genius many times and many places over the years. I can tell you, things rarely worked out well for the organization or the BG.

 

[Walshy7]

Yup but it kicks in next year.

ah gotcha now

 

[ACC1224]

This Ken Holland?

Doesn't he have the Oilers in the final 4?

 

[Stephen]

It’s kind of interesting when you look back on the moves from the last offseason. Team got a lot better in the regular season compared to the last time they played a full 82.

Kampf, Bunting, Kase were successes but the dollar amount failure on Mrazek and Ritchie actually outweigh the successes in pure dollar amount. Leafs are definitely in the window of making long bets every year and aren’t even in a position to build when they succeed - cause they can’t keep their middle class.

That cap needs to go up fast. Or something has to happen to alleviate this pressure.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Anyone know what challenge dubas had to face anyways? Gms would have lined up for this core yet dubas faced hardships LOLOL. Just doing a good job is now a hardship to overcome.

Challenge not even spell right in thread title and never care to be edited. That is signal from OP that he secretly abandoning Dubas ship too.


I guess it does take a genius to decipher how to make Justin Holl masquerade as a no.4

 

[capfit9]

Coming to a Bookstore near you.....

The Wasted Years by K. Dubas
How to Stick to Your Vison Despite Constant Failure by Kyle Dubas, Co-written by B. Shanahan
How to Go From a Respected Hockey Player to a Weak Meek President by B. Shanahan
How to be Second Best by S. Keefe. Forward by Emmanuel Noveen Malhotra
The Art of the Overpayment- K. Dubas
The Dummies Guide to Getting a Respecful Handshake - by S. Keefe
How to Con a Fanbase - by MLSE
How to Spin Outcomes with Stats - Anonymous
Who Needs Killer Instinct - K Dubas. Forward by S Keefe

gold

 

[egd27]

Doesn't he have the Oilers in the final 4?

Seems that playoff results don't matter when assessing a GM here at the HF Corral. If the Avs advance I'm referring to the series at the Battle of the Cap Casualties. Naz and Zach duking it out for a SCF appearance.

 

[mikeyz]

The player being discussed was Nylander.

Yes and regardless of how the negotiating played out with Nylander, it somehow gave the impression that Dubas was a pushover. And we were proven right with said 34 and 16.

Coming to a Bookstore near you.....

The Wasted Years by K. Dubas
How to Stick to Your Vison Despite Constant Failure by Kyle Dubas, Co-written by B. Shanahan
How to Go From a Respected Hockey Player to a Weak Meek President by B. Shanahan
How to be Second Best by S. Keefe. Forward by Emmanuel Noveen Malhotra
The Art of the Overpayment- K. Dubas
The Dummies Guide to Getting a Respecful Handshake - by S. Keefe
How to Con a Fanbase - by MLSE
How to Spin Outcomes with Stats - Anonymous
Who Needs Killer Instinct - K Dubas. Forward by S Keefe

You forgot another chapter.

How to gain respect in the handshake playoff line.

Edit: Nevermind. Just saw it. Lol

 

[TorMapleJays]

Tampa is in our division. It
Doesn’t matter that we lost well. They are in our division and to just get out of the second round we have to go through them. They are not the standard, they are the bar.

 

[DarkKnight]

I just wish Lou stayed for an extra year or 2 to get better contracts for the kids and not sign JT. Had that happened and he passed the reigns over to Dubas..I would have been ok with it.

Yep. I just wanted one more year of Lou, do the contracts, then Dubas was fine. Nothing has happened to change my mind there either and I know people love to say Nylander looks a steal now, blah, blah, blah, but I think Dubas was rolled by all three at the time, he wasn’t ready to do those deals.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Coming to a Bookstore near you.....

The Wasted Years by K. Dubas
How to Stick to Your Vison Despite Constant Failure by Kyle Dubas, Co-written by B. Shanahan
How to Go From a Respected Hockey Player to a Weak Meek President by B. Shanahan
How to be Second Best by S. Keefe. Forward by Emmanuel Noveen Malhotra
The Art of the Overpayment- K. Dubas
The Dummies Guide to Getting a Respecful Handshake - by S. Keefe
How to Con a Fanbase - by MLSE
How to Spin Outcomes with Stats - Anonymous
Who Needs Killer Instinct - K Dubas. Forward by S Keefe

I prefer non- fiction hockey books to those pulp fiction novels that you posted.

 

[Mr Bill Waters]

Coming to a Bookstore near you.....

The Wasted Years by K. Dubas
How to Stick to Your Vison Despite Constant Failure by Kyle Dubas, Co-written by B. Shanahan
How to Go From a Respected Hockey Player to a Weak Meek President by B. Shanahan
How to be Second Best by S. Keefe. Forward by Emmanuel Noveen Malhotra
The Art of the Overpayment- K. Dubas
The Dummies Guide to Getting a Respecful Handshake - by S. Keefe
How to Con a Fanbase - by MLSE
How to Spin Outcomes with Stats - Anonymous
Who Needs Killer Instinct - K Dubas. Forward by S Keefe

More like:

Principia Mathematical Analysis de Hockey, a seminal treaties on the analytics of hockey with mathematical underpinnings by the august Kyle Philip Dubas, CFA, BSC, MBA, PhD, CCFFA, Esquire

-a tour de force, NY Times
-he has built the very foundation of the modern game with this one tractus, WSJ

Must read material for modern minds of the game.

 

[ULF_55]

So hired May 2018 as GM.

2019
2020
2021
2022

So his team has not moved passed the 1st. round for 4 years.

Players for those 4 playoffs:

marner, Marner, Rielly, Nylander, Tavares

Would be interested to see the with and without for the points below.

 

[rocketman588]

Tavares preferred the Leafs, and the Leafs still overpaid in many people's eyes.

Even if Matthews has a destination in mind, he does not strike me as someone who will leave money on the table. So while the other team might not have to outbid the Leafs, they'll certainly be paying top dollar IMO

Gonna be great when he makes 4 mil a year more then mcdavid

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Good hockey man there.
Has had his ups and downs like they all do but definitely more positives than negatives.

Over his career yes. Not so much the last 10-12 yrs.