Despite losing Stamkos, Tampa has 5 players running at a PPG

[T REX]

Offense good.

Defense bad.

GT average

 

[DFC]

Yeah if you had a DH spot in hockey where you could just trot a guy out there for the PP he would be fine, but he is god awful 5v5.

From what I can tell that is basically what Tampa fans have seen this season, they have missed him on the PP but 5v5 it was probably a gain.

Based on what Tampa fans had been saying coming in I didn't expect Stamkos to be good 5v5, I just didn't expect him to be completely and totally worthless.

He's just kind of a plug 5v5. If he can get some time and space he's still dangerous, but he doesn't really have the tools to get himself in that position anymore.

Even on the PP, while he's still dangerous, it was really the dual trigger man threat (with Point) that made it work to the level it did. Teams had a hard time defending both options.

TB is a lot better 5v5 right now. Our D has been spotty. It has good nights but can't seem to do it consistently.

 

[sr edler]

Hagel had 75 points last year in 82 games, but the OP couldn't possibly imagine him scoring at a PPG pace this season?

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

I don't think swapping old man Stamkos for a 4 year younger Guentzel was supposed to make them worse offensively. Just different.

 

[Regal]

It’s not that surprising. They had 5 guys at 75 points last year and they replaced Stamkos with Guentzel. Kuch, Point and Guentzel should all be expected to be at that level and Hagel should be close. Hedman too. Cirelli won’t keep this up but will likely hit career highs across the board.

 

[DFC]

Now go look at his stats this season and get back to me. He has 11 pts. 9 of those are from the PP. He's got the 3rd most ice time of the forwards and he has a grand total of 2 pts while being a -14.

Yeah its that bad.

He was atrocious last year 5v5 UNTIL the trade deadline. At that point he got pretty hot 5v5 (the whole team got hot after the tdl) and kind of salvaged some numbers.

I wouldn't expect that this year though.

 

[Protas Zealots]

Yeah its called Kucherov. Can't think of a better player to boost stats with in the NHL right now. Generates a metric ton of offense and heavily involves everyone else on the ice with him.

 

[Raistlin]

...until you scroll to shooting% and see Point scoring on 40% of his shots. Thats a bender if I've ever seen one.

 

[Master P]

...until you scroll to shooting% and see Point scoring on 40% of his shots. Thats a bender if I've ever seen one.

He just scored the OT winner.

 

[PaulD]

5 guys with ppg.
leading goal scorers in Point.
Supposed smartest coach in the league.
D looks good rlead by Hedman. Young Geekie is a gem.
Yet play like a bubble team at best.

So what the problem ??

Vassy

hasn't looked great since the finals loss to Aves in 22.

 

[Master P]

And they still suck, damn

Two points behind the leafs and 4pts behind first in the division with two games in hand.

But I guess they do "suck" if we're going by the Standards Tampa has set for themselves.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

A lot of people are sleeping on the fact that Tampa has had by far the hardest strength of schedule so far this season, and by the easiest remaining.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Two points behind the leafs and 4pts behind first in the division with two games in hand.

But I guess they do "suck" if we're going by the Standards Tampa has set for themselves.

3rd behind a Cup hangover team and a team missing half their forwards is pretty rough ngl

 

[Master P]

3rd behind a Cup hangover team and a team missing half their forwards is pretty rough ngl

Cup hangover didn't stop the Panthers last year or Tampa for 3 years.

And I'd argue the Leafs play better without Matthews in the lineup.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Cup hangover didn't stop the Panthers last year or Tampa for 3 years.

And I'd argue the Leafs play better without Matthews in the lineup.

Tampa didn't have the chance to have a Cup hangover actually as they won during shortened asterisk-laden seasons, it's the grind of 82 + playoffs that is hard to recover from after winning it all

I'd argue the Leafs would be better if they weren't missing 6 forwards but I know it's hard for some to separate goaltending excellence and a team playing well

 

[Master P]

Tampa didn't have the chance to have a Cup hangover actually as they won during shortened asterisk-laden seasons, it's the grind of 82 + playoffs that is hard to recover from after winning it all

I'd argue the Leafs would be better if they weren't missing 6 forwards but I know it's hard for some to separate goaltending excellence and a team playing well

Man, it must really sting knowing that Tampa won b2b cups and made it to the finals 3 years in a row. Just a hockey team in Florida with more success and championships in the last 2 decades than one in "hockey mecca" could ever hope to achieve.

If they reduce the league to 6 teams and only play two rounds then the leafs might get a sniff.

 

[Lt Dan]

Did they check under the sofa coushins for Stamkos?

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Tampa didn't have the chance to have a Cup hangover actually as they won during shortened asterisk-laden seasons, it's the grind of 82 + playoffs that is hard to recover from after winning it all

I'd argue the Leafs would be better if they weren't missing 6 forwards but I know it's hard for some to separate goaltending excellence and a team playing well

No hangover? They literally did it with the most condensed schedule ever.

2020 playoffs Aug-Sept 2020 (22 games)
Shortest offseason ever
2021 season Jan-May 2021 (56 games)
2021 playoff July-June 2021 (23 games)

They played 56 regular season games and 45 playoff games (and won two cups) in basically 10 months. And if that's not enough hangover they had another shortened offseason and made the finals again the next year.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Tampa's management made the painful, but correct choice.

 

[JianYang]

Tampa didn't have the chance to have a Cup hangover actually as they won during shortened asterisk-laden seasons, it's the grind of 82 + playoffs that is hard to recover from after winning it all

I'd argue the Leafs would be better if they weren't missing 6 forwards but I know it's hard for some to separate goaltending excellence and a team playing well

The covid era had its own unique mental challenges. Players would not put themselves through that again if they had the choice.

Regardless, they won the 2nd covid cup on July 7, 2021, and went into the 2021/2022 season with the shortest offseason of all time, yet still made a 3rd final.

The main reason that they were successful was because they were a super team up to the 2021 Stanley Cup. You just couldn't poke any holes in them back then.

 

[aylib]

Yeah if you had a DH spot in hockey where you could just trot a guy out there for the PP he would be fine, but he is god awful 5v5.

From what I can tell that is basically what Tampa fans have seen this season, they have missed him on the PP but 5v5 it was probably a gain.

Based on what Tampa fans had been saying coming in I didn't expect Stamkos to be good 5v5, I just didn't expect him to be completely and totally worthless.

I think he made his linemates worse at even strength in TB