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Derek Roy

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Looked for a scouting report on him and found little so came here to ask instead. I was surprised how little their was on a guy who scored 529 points and was a 1st/2nd line forward for the Sabres. Was wondering what kind of player he was. Strengths? Weaknesses? Comparable player in the NHL now?
 
From what I remember, he was a skilled player who had some jam but lacked ideal strength and size for a number one centre. At his peak, he put up good numbers, but I don't think he was ever considered an upper-echelon C. A modern comparable in terms of calibre would be someone like Duchene, I guess.
 
Really took advantage - with those Sabres teams as a whole - of the new rules coming out of the big sleep. Skilled little player, went to the net, could really dish the rock, he QB'd some power plays from up high and down low. Wasn't much of a backchecker but I recall him being pretty tough to knock off the puck for a little guy...he could play an organic rush offense and dish to finishing wingers...smart player and enthusiastic about the game...
 
On these boards i used to call him a tweener: top-6 on a lesser team, 3rd line scoring option on a deeper team offensively, no real place on Stanley Cup dynasty or playoff dominant teams.
 
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Roy this spring in Sweden led his team easily in points due to copious assists on one of the worst teams, missing the playoffs, he the oldest on the roster.
 
You lose me when you name two guys who were far superior. Once off that line he did not too much. His out put was based upon his line mates

You’re not giving him nearly enough credit. He led the Sabres in scoring 3 years in a row from 2007-2010, outscoring Vanek pretty decently each year.
 
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On these boards i used to call him a tweener: top-6 on a lesser team, 3rd line scoring option on a deeper team offensively, no real place on Stanley Cup dynasty or playoff dominant teams.

The Sabres were the best team in the first few years after the lockout in terms of preparedness and offense. They made two deep playoff runs that only injuries really held them back on. Roy was second in combined scoring on those teams over three years (Vanek had six more points in 22 more games, so effectively, Roy was the most prolific scorer they had)...and only Daniel Briere (by a shift) got more ice time than him at even strength among all forwards...

So, while he may have been era dependent in some respect...he was a major, major piece of a playoff dominant team...
 
Kind of weird to see him being called a 3rd liner or implications that he wouldn't show up for a good team.

Roy was not some superstar, but he was a very capable player and always struck me as the kind of guy who would burn you if you didn't give him enough respect defensively. Solidly a 20-30 goal scorer during his prime, as a pass-first center. The definition of a guy who was below-average as a 1C but strong as a 2C.
 
Solidly a 20-30 goal scorer during his prime, as a pass-first center. The definition of a guy who was below-average as a 1C but strong as a 2C.
Lol.

As a Sabres fan i remember him as a lot less.

Now, looking back, he hit 25 goals only during a 3-year stretch in which the team missed the playoffs twice, got bounced once in the first round, the 5'9 center averaging 20 minutes per game those years.

We fans POINTED at him as part of the reason we didn't have a very good team.

If the Sabres had a playoff-strong line-up, he'd be a scoring depth option on the 3rd line or 13th forward injury substitute.

He had no place on a great NHL team, a tweener talent. We can agree to disagree.
 
He was a 3rd liner who could play top 6 for short bursts

Well that's incorrect.

In the late 00's he was a mediocre top liner/good second line centre. Played a lot with Vanek and Afinogenov in one of the years, I believe.

On these boards i used to call him a tweener: top-6 on a lesser team, 3rd line scoring option on a deeper team offensively, no real place on Stanley Cup dynasty or playoff dominant teams.

derek roy’s most successful stint was really early on, when he centered vanek and mad max on buffalo’s third line, behind briere and drury’s lines. he was actually only the fourth best center on that team but tim connolly was usually hurt.

but that line was way too good to be a third line, roy included.

later, when he was a main guy with vanek and pominville, he was really playing higher in the lineup than he should have been.

that said, i’d call him a poor man’s brendan morrison. not as good defensively but similar low A-/B+ offensive skill and got pretty involved in the play for a tiny guy.
 
He was supposed to be better than me, but i got the better of him even before that leg injury he got that roasted his career.
Funny thing is we hardly played on the same line through all those years.
 
Lol.

As a Sabres fan i remember him as a lot less.

Now, looking back, he hit 25 goals only during a 3-year stretch in which the team missed the playoffs twice, got bounced once in the first round, the 5'9 center averaging 20 minutes per game those years.

We fans POINTED at him as part of the reason we didn't have a very good team.

If the Sabres had a playoff-strong line-up, he'd be a scoring depth option on the 3rd line or 13th forward injury substitute.

He had no place on a great NHL team, a tweener talent. We can agree to disagree.

I don't know how you can possibly say a guy who was top-90 in PPG over the course of his career should have been sitting in the press box waiting for an injury.

Agree to disagree indeed.
 
He had 4 year stretch where he was the 22nd most productive forward in the league. Pominville and Vanek were right behind him at 26 and 31.

Derick Brassard is having a pretty similar career trajectory to Roy.

He was supposed to be better than me, but i got the better of him even before that leg injury he got that roasted his career.
Funny thing is we hardly played on the same line through all those years.

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tbh i was surprised to even see him stick in the nhl. he felt to me like one of those good utility wjc guys that would be too small to play in non-offensive situations in the nhl. like a lot of young guys, the lockout year in the super-ahl was really good for his and pominville’s development.

one thing about roy is he was a good pker in his early years. but as he got older and his scoring load increased he became more and more of a dedicated pp guy.
 
I don't know if this counts as a weakness, but there were always rumors floating around about lots of off ice partying and locker room and attitude issues with him. IIRC, the last thing he did as a Sabre was call out Ruff.

Must've had some kind of reputation because he disappeared pretty quick despite still putting up OK production at the end of his NHL career and had a pretty short leash after his brief Stars tenure.

I mean, in a little over three years:

-Is a key acquisition for the Stars in contract year after a down year in Buffalo
-Has some shoulder surgery at the urging of the Stars, which Buffalo didn't think he needed, which allows him to get paid during the lockout
-Seems to rebound a bit in Dallas, where they are open to signing him to an extension, but IIRC he wanted to get paid big (Over $6M a year longterm IIRC)
-Negotiations break off and he's sent to the Canucks as a rental where he basically mails it in
-Sits unsigned on the UFA market for a few days before settling on a pay cut for a year in St. Louis
-Has a good first 2/3 months of the season, but then struggles the rest of the way and enters Hitchcock's doghouse
-Sits even longer on the UFA market and goes to Nashville for a hair over $1M and enters some UFA reclamation project battle royale with Olli Jokinen and Mike Ribeiro to give the Preds some offense down the middle (Ribeiro won... for a bit). Poile makes mention of off ice issues when discussing the signing.
-Doesn't fit there, gets waived but despite his resume and small salary, he goes unclaimed
-Gets traded to the Oilers for a depth piece
-Despite finding chemistry with Yakupov and scoring at a 20 goal a year pace with them, the Oilers aren't interested in retaining him
-He hits the free agent market where some article comes out about how his agent can't believe no NHL teams are interested
-Goes to the Caps on a PTO, is unsuccessful and is pretty much disappears from the NHL.

There had to be some reputation/baggage for NHL teams to not want to take a flier on a 32YO C who was 4 years removed from a PPG season and could still put up 30ish points.
 
I don't know if this counts as a weakness, but there were always rumors floating around about lots of off ice partying and locker room and attitude issues with him. IIRC, the last thing he did as a Sabre was call out Ruff.

Must've had some kind of reputation because he disappeared pretty quick despite still putting up OK production at the end of his NHL career and had a pretty short leash after his brief Stars tenure.

I mean, in a little over three years:

-Is a key acquisition for the Stars in contract year after a down year in Buffalo
-Has some shoulder surgery at the urging of the Stars, which Buffalo didn't think he needed, which allows him to get paid during the lockout
-Seems to rebound a bit in Dallas, where they are open to signing him to an extension, but IIRC he wanted to get paid big (Over $6M a year longterm IIRC)
-Negotiations break off and he's sent to the Canucks as a rental where he basically mails it in
-Sits unsigned on the UFA market for a few days before settling on a pay cut for a year in St. Louis
-Has a good first 2/3 months of the season, but then struggles the rest of the way and enters Hitchcock's doghouse
-Sits even longer on the UFA market and goes to Nashville for a hair over $1M and enters some UFA reclamation project battle royale with Olli Jokinen and Mike Ribeiro to give the Preds some offense down the middle (Ribeiro won... for a bit). Poile makes mention of off ice issues when discussing the signing.
-Doesn't fit there, gets waived but despite his resume and small salary, he goes unclaimed
-Gets traded to the Oilers for a depth piece
-Despite finding chemistry with Yakupov and scoring at a 20 goal a year pace with them, the Oilers aren't interested in retaining him
-He hits the free agent market where some article comes out about how his agent can't believe no NHL teams are interested
-Goes to the Caps on a PTO, is unsuccessful and is pretty much disappears from the NHL.

There had to be some reputation/baggage for NHL teams to not want to take a flier on a 32YO C who was 4 years removed from a PPG season and could still put up 30ish points.
Yeah maybe, but he got that torn quad tendon in 2010-11 which he never seemed to get back from fully. Maybe he did not bring enough sandpaper to make up for whatever he lost there.
 
Derek Roy is a hard player to get a read on for sure. At 5'9" and 184 lbs, the first thing that stands out is his lack of size. It's tempting to say he wouldn't have been an NHLer if not for the rule changes following the lockout, but people forget that after a prolific OHL career in Kitchener (335 points in 242 games), and major success in the AHL (107 points in 101 games), he also played 49 games in the 2003-04 season with the Sabres and notched 19 points, without much PP time, and only about 15 minutes a night total. He was a feisty player, and strong for his size, so perhaps he could've had success even in a different time.

Regardless, it seems certain that the rule changes definitely enhanced his impact at the NHL level. Following the lockout, from ages 22-24 he posted increasing totals of 46 --> 63 --> 81 points on perhaps the best Sabres' teams of all time. This was good enough for 190 points in 223 games, behind only Vanek (196 in 245) on the team in that span, and trailing only Briere, Drury, and Afinogenov on a per-game basis. Certainly in this early stage, his success has to be attributed to his role. On a deep, contending Sabres team, he was the clear #3 behind Briere & Drury, and played regularly with Vanek & Afinogenov (two of the team's most prolific scoring wingers) against other teams' 3rd line competition. Roy was never a huge goalscorer, cracking 30 goals only once, and 25 goals only three times total. He had about 1.7 assists for every goal he scored in those first three post-lockout years.

In his 'peak' years of 2007-2011, he was 32nd in the NHL in points, and 30th in points per game. After that, he was injured and never really recovered to the same scoring level, bouncing around the NHL in his late 20s/early 30s before being forced to ply his talents in Europe, where he still is now. Remember that this peak was after the time that Drury & Briere had left Buffalo. Even though they were no longer a formidable force at the top of the NHL, Roy was the defacto #1 centre (and perhaps even forward) of those teams, and still managed to be a top 35 overall scoring forward in the NHL. This at least suggests that he was a capable #1 centre at his peak.

From memory and watching some old highlight packs...he was a relatively quick player for his size. Maybe not the most end to end speed, but he had agility, and was slippery with the puck. He had good hands, and could evade checks well. His big strength was his playmaking. He moved the puck quickly and decisively to his wingers, and facilitated the puck on the PP well. He certainly wasn't afraid to go to the net and grab a rebound or deflection either. He had a pretty good backhand.

Current comparable...I can't think of one off the top of my head. Maybe Vincent Trocheck? Relatively similar in size, both a little underrated, and playing the early part of their careers behind a better centre (Briere/Barkov). Trocheck seems to be a bit more of a goalscorer than Roy was, and there are certainly other dissimilarities between the two, but that's the best I can come up with now.
 
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