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jbman5

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Hello guys,

Would like your opinion;

Bozak: Sell high, package with player/prospect to land #1 center
Kadri: 3rd line center for 14-15. Re-evaluate at season's end.
Holland: Move to wing to play more minutes (perhaps with Kadri)
Bolland: Sign @ 3.5-3.7 for 3-4 years
Mcclement: Sign @2 for 3 seasons.

Kessel _____ JVR
Holland Bolland Lupul
D'amigo Kadri Leivo
Bodie Mcclement Ashton
 
Joey Hoser said:
I've never heard of ______ before. Is he good?

Who's going to take Bozak + bits for their #1 center?
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The only way we could trade Bozak and get something interesting back would be to include Kessel. Otherwise he would get a 2nd round pick and a decent not great prospect back, perhaps.

I mean, lets say Anaheim think they need to replace Selanne and Koivu with proven players. Adding Kessel and Bozak to play behind Getzlaf and Perry would make that team filthy going forward. They would of course pay a premium price for it seeing as they get a star player along with a solid all around player he have proven chemistry with.

Or Nashville would get an entire first line (with Wilson as the physical presence) that along with Weber and Rinne could make some damage in the West. The price would of course be much higher then if they just asked for Kessel or Bozak separately.

I think it is along those line the brain trust must try and change direction of this team, unless they think they can add better defenders, centers and get the team to work as a team while keeping Kessel and also hope his prime years last while the other pieces are added. Kessel (and even Bozak) are in a win now mode, the team is several years away. Match made in hell.
 
JBMANS said:
Hello guys,

Would like your opinion;

Bozak: Sell high, package with player/prospect to land #1 center
Kadri: 3rd line center for 14-15. Re-evaluate at season's end.
Holland: Move to wing to play more minutes (perhaps with Kadri)
Bolland: Sign @ 3.5-3.7 for 3-4 years
Mcclement: Sign @2 for 3 seasons.

Kessel _____ JVR
Holland Bolland Lupul
D'amigo Kadri Leivo
Bodie Mcclement Ashton
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Bozak as the centrepiece of a deal will never get you close to a legit 1C, even with a prospect or pick. I think Kadri and Franson might land you Spezza, but i that a good move? Not so sure.

Holland on the wing is a page right out of Babcock's book; young centres need to log meaningful minutes on the wing before being put under the microscope. Good idea.

Re: Bolland, he wants more. If he agrees to the money, expect max. term and a modified no trade.

McClement is a good signing all day long.
 
Unless getting Stastny, Kadri stays at C
Holland as 3rd line C unless Bolland resigns, than move Holland to wing.
Bozak stays as 1st line C unless you get an upgrade but I dont see it happening
Maybe Carrick makes the team, or Mac can be resigned for cheap as 4th line C.
 
The weekly thread. But Bozak will not get even close to returning a 1C. He has only one solid season putting up numbers, while playing with great wingers. Kadri will be the 2C, he is fine there. Rather put Holland at 3C and let Bolland walk for that price. Don't have much cap room left, and could use it in other areas.
 
I'd sell High on Bozak but anything like a pick + prospect is something I'd accept, were not getting a #1C or anything remotely close for Tyler Bozak, unless we add like 4 1st round picks.
 
I feel like Bozak is being under rated. Bozak+prospect+early pick would upgrade the center position IMO
 
JBMANS said:
I feel like Bozak is being under rated. Bozak+prospect+early pick would upgrade the center position IMO
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Bozak is a 4.2 million dollar, 15-20 goal, 40-50 point player. He's not that special, and every team in the league likely already has one of him somewhere on the roster or waiting in the wings.

We'd have to add substantially to turn Tyler Bozak into a #1 Centre.

Bozak, Rielly and our 1st this summer might get you a #1.

Can we afford to give up Rielly?

I say no.
 
Holymakinaw said:
Bozak is a 4.2 million dollar, 15-20 goal, 40-50 point player. He's not that special, and every team in the league likely already has one of him somewhere on the roster or waiting in the wings.

We'd have to add substantially to turn Tyler Bozak into a #1 Centre.

Bozak, Rielly and our 1st this summer might get you a #1.

Can we afford to give up Rielly?

I say no.
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Wow i'm not sure which #1 C you are talking about. I know Gaborik went for a lot cheaper than that this year (although he is not a C).

There are 30 GM's in the league. After an excellent season it wouldn't be hard to imagine a few GM's over rating Bozak. Just like how Ian White was over rated in the Phaneuf trade.
 
JBMANS said:
Wow i'm not sure which #1 C you are talking about. I know Gaborik went for a lot cheaper than that this year (although he is not a C).

There are 30 GM's in the league. After an excellent season it wouldn't be hard to imagine a few GM's over rating Bozak. Just like how Ian White was over rated in the Phaneuf trade.
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Uh........#1 Centres are like Gold. They are usually the best forward on the team.

Why would someone give up a Thornton, or Giroux, or Spezza, or Getzlaf, or Crosby, or Malkin, or Backstrom, or Toews, or Staal, or Tavares.........for Bozak + junk?

They wouldn't. Some mediocre prospect & pick being added wouldn't get it done.

It would take a LOT to get one.


Now if you're talking about someone's #2 Centre.......
 
Can the NHL make trades with the KHL and partially pay the salary so they don't take a cap hit?
 
Thornton: Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau.

Seguin: Rich Peverley and Ryan Button to the Dallas Stars for Loui Eriksson, Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith, and Matt Fraser.

Kyle Turris: David Rundblad and a second-round draft pick in 2012.

Bozak is ranked 21 in power rankings.
 
JBMANS said:
Hello guys,

Would like your opinion;

Bozak: Sell high, package with player/prospect to land #1 center
Kadri: 3rd line center for 14-15. Re-evaluate at season's end.
Holland: Move to wing to play more minutes (perhaps with Kadri)
Bolland: Sign @ 3.5-3.7 for 3-4 years
Mcclement: Sign @2 for 3 seasons.

Kessel _____ JVR
Holland Bolland Lupul
D'amigo Kadri Leivo
Bodie Mcclement Ashton
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I see no reason to bump Bolland ahead of Kadri and I wouldn't give McClement 3 years.

Also, no chance Clarkson doesn't dress.
 
JBMANS said:
Thornton: Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau.

Seguin: Rich Peverley and Ryan Button to the Dallas Stars for Loui Eriksson, Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith, and Matt Fraser.

Kyle Turris: David Rundblad and a second-round draft pick in 2012.

Bozak is ranked 21 in power rankings.
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Those 3 were all traded by teams that had previously decided they needed to move said player, and the took the best offer available. Anaheim isn't waiting to give us Getzlaf for the equivilent of Sturn, Stuart and Primeau.
 
Joey Hoser said:
Those 3 were all traded by teams that had previously decided they needed to move said player, and the took the best offer available. Anaheim isn't waiting to give us Getzlaf for the equivilent of Sturn, Stuart and Primeau.
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Are there teams out there right now that as desperate to unload their #1 Centre for our scraps?

Sure would be nice, huh?

I might not hold my breath.
 
Could be done with re-building bottom end teams. Again, Bozak and a bit more might do it.

Jordan Stahl from CAR?

Many years ago the leafs gave up their starting C for New Jersey's prospects (Smith, McCauly, Sullivan). And much like the other recent examples, it's not impossible.

There are no absolutes people.
 
JBMANS said:
Hello guys,

Would like your opinion;

Bozak: Sell high, package with player/prospect to land #1 center
Kadri: 3rd line center for 14-15. Re-evaluate at season's end.
Holland: Move to wing to play more minutes (perhaps with Kadri)
Bolland: Sign @ 3.5-3.7 for 3-4 years
Mcclement: Sign @2 for 3 seasons.

Kessel _____ JVR
Holland Bolland Lupul
D'amigo Kadri Leivo
Bodie Mcclement Ashton
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The OP does have an interesting idea though. Bozak is not a key piece, but if you add on some team might part with their C.


I think the "teams never trade their 1C" people are keepers of the faith types who care more about Kessel's stats then they do about wins. Breaking up Bozak/Phil will not be the end of the world people.
 
UofG said:
I think the "teams never trade their 1C" people are keepers of the faith types who care more about Kessel's stats then they do about wins. Breaking up Bozak/Phil will not be the end of the world people.
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You know you could just look it up. Look at the top 30 scoring centers last year:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....&position=C&country=&status=&viewName=summary

All but 5 are playing for the team that drafted them.

3 of those, as already mentioned in this thread, were traded from teams that made an organizational decision to get them out of town, and weren't just responding to random offers of bits and pieces from other teams.

The other 2 are Filppula and Hudler who aren't really worth mentioning in a discussion about first line centers.
 
Joey Hoser said:
You know you could just look it up. Look at the top 30 scoring centers last year:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....&position=C&country=&status=&viewName=summary

All but 5 are playing for the team that drafted them.

3 of those, as already mentioned in this thread, were traded from teams that made an organizational decision to get them out of town, and weren't just responding to random offers of bits and pieces from other teams.

The other 2 are Filppula and Hudler who aren't really worth mentioning in a discussion about first line centers.
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What will looking them up do? Will it say on nhl.com that it is impossible to pry a 1C from a team? I hate to repeat myself but if I must:

There are no absolutes!
 
UofG said:
What will looking them up do? Will it say on nhl.com that it is impossible to pry a 1C from a team? I hate to repeat myself but if I must:

There are no absolutes!
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The point is, it basically does not happen except in exceptional circumstances, so if that's your plan, you have a ****** plan.

It'd be nice if we could trade Bozak + bits for a #1 C. Who wouldn't do that? It's ridiculous, that's the problem.

If you make that trade, it's Bozak, Reilly and 8th overall, and it's not getting you Getzlaf or Tavares.
 
Joey Hoser said:
The point is, it basically does not happen except in exceptional circumstances, so if that's your plan, you have a ****** plan.

It'd be nice if we could trade Bozak + bits for a #1 C. Who wouldn't do that? It's ridiculous, that's the problem.

If you make that trade, it's Bozak, Reilly and 8th overall, and it's not getting you Getzlaf or Tavares.
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Stop making stuff up. I never said anything about "bits".

Grow up.
 
UofG said:
The OP does have an interesting idea though. Bozak is not a key piece, but if you add on some team might part with their C.


I think the "teams never trade their 1C" people are keepers of the faith types who care more about Kessel's stats then they do about wins. Breaking up Bozak/Phil will not be the end of the world people.
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You made this up though.
 
JBMANS said:
Thornton: Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau.

Seguin: Rich Peverley and Ryan Button to the Dallas Stars for Loui Eriksson, Joe Morrow, Reilly Smith, and Matt Fraser.

Kyle Turris: David Rundblad and a second-round draft pick in 2012.

Bozak is ranked 21 in power rankings.[/QUOTE]

So if Bozak is rated 21 for center's and the first line was one of the highest scoring lines in the NHL, when then are the Leafs trading Bozak? He already is a number one center, his linemates are one of the most productive in the NHL, and Bozak is quite good defensively.
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