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Looks like a carbon copy of Aberg and Petan. All 3 are replacement level 4th line wingers who bring nothing other than depth to an organization but on good rosters they are playing in the AHL.
 
Suntouchable13 said:
My question is, why are they stockpiling these small tweeners?
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i'm guessing because the Dube believes if he accumulates enough of them one will turn into something and he can get praised for being an innovative out of the box thinker
 
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He's a guy. Not very good, really. Seems like another Petan who will be yet another name in the wind. Years from now he will get posted in the "Name a former Leafs player" threads to minimal fanfare. Maybe one or two likes on the post and an "oh yeah that guy exists" reply.

Considering that we traded nothing for him, I really don't care that he is nothing. He hops off the ice and Kyle Clifford jumps over the boards so the lot of you can cram those Dubas narratives up where the sun don't shine.
 
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I love how everybody is already writing Malgin off as a useless addition after, what, seven games with a brand new team, in a brand new system, in a brand new role? Relax people. He is 23 years old, and averaged 27 points a season with the Panthers before arriving here. He's having a tough season in terms of on-ice shooting %, something every player goes through, but the underlying numbers are still pretty solid. We're lucky Tallon was willing to ship him off because of these relatively unreliable and unrepeatable surface level results.

I don't know what you are expecting from him. He was acquired to be a bottom six winger, a guy who was an upgrade on Marchment, but two years younger, and he's already been that. He's consistently posted solid defensive impacts in his short career, something the Leafs need more than bonafide scoring in their bottom six. It is pretty common for a player of his level to go through a seven game scoring drought. Usually players in that kind of role don't score very often. Yeah, it would be great if he'd gone off and had a solid run with 3 or 4 points to start with Toronto, but expecting that is unrealistic, especially in a run where the entire team has gone a bit dry.

The production will come. At the end of the day, he's a reliable bottom six player in the NHL who has room to grow, is very cheap (and will likely continue to be), and has produced at a solid rate in the past while being defensively responsible. Just because he hasn't been a perfect winger for Tavares & Nylander doesn't mean he is an AHL tweener, or garbage pickup.
 
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egd27 said:
The trade of Marchment for Malgin isn't a problem in terms of an asset swap.

For me, the issue is what is Malgin's role on the NHL roster and why is he in the lineup every night?

I get that we have 2 forwards out, but wasn't the forward depth (particularly wingers) supposed to be the great strength of this team? Is Malgin the best we have ?
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My bad, I kind of agree with you. He's not the worst option but I wouldn't mind seeing some other guys get a shot
 
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Filling in for Mikheyev thats all. Holding his spot i guess i should say. I think he plays pretty good
 
67Leafs67 said:
I love how everybody is already writing Malgin off as a useless addition after, what, seven games with a brand new team, in a brand new system, in a brand new role? Relax people. He is 23 years old, and averaged 27 points a season with the Panthers before arriving here. He's having a tough season in terms of on-ice shooting %, something every player goes through, but the underlying numbers are still pretty solid. We're lucky Tallon was willing to ship him off because of these relatively unreliable and unrepeatable surface level results.

I don't know what you are expecting from him. He was acquired to be a bottom six winger, a guy who was an upgrade on Marchment, but two years younger, and he's already been that. He's consistently posted solid defensive impacts in his short career, something the Leafs need more than bonafide scoring in their bottom six. It is pretty common for a player of his level to go through a seven game scoring drought. Usually players in that kind of role don't score very often. Yeah, it would be great if he'd gone off and had a solid run with 3 or 4 points to start with Toronto, but expecting that is unrealistic, especially in a run where the entire team has gone a bit dry.

The production will come. At the end of the day, he's a reliable bottom six player in the NHL who has room to grow, is very cheap (and will likely continue to be), and has produced at a solid rate in the past while being defensively responsible. Just because he hasn't been a perfect winger for Tavares & Nylander doesn't mean he is an AHL tweener, or garbage pickup.
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The problem is that we have too many of his types. He serves no purpose here. Just like Petan and Aberg.
 
Kamiccolo said:
He had 9 points in 39 games and is pointless in his games with Detroit. The only thing he did better was finish his checks.
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With those 9 points, he us better than Malgin has been

He was better at puck retrieval and physical play

Better defensively

So like I said, literally better in every way
 
If the smurfs each have a 1/1000 chance of being Marty St Louis and all it costs you is Par Lindholm and Mason Marchment to cycle through them, why wouldn't you?

Does anyone understand the concept of expected value? Let's say there's a lottery where a ticket costs $1 and the jackpot is $1,000,000. Basically, the number of tickets sold determines how much each ticket is worth. Each ticket has an equal chance of winning, so if a million tickets are sold, each ticket is worth a dollar of expected value. If you could buy every single ticket, you'd expect to break even. Now EV gets interesting if you start messing with the number of tickets, the price, or the winnings. If only 500,000 tickets are sold in the $1 lottery for the $1m prize, that means that each $1 ticket is worth $2 in EV. You'd be a fool not to buy as many tickets as you possibly can. Even if you can only get 10 tickets because the rest get bought out, if you can afford the cash outlay it's the smart play.

I bring this up because stockpiling these smurfs could be totally reasonable from an expected value perspective. How much is Marty St Louis worth? Hell, how much is a good 2nd line winger worth? That's your payout. Now consider what the cost of those lottery tickets is. In my eyes Par Lindholm sucked every bit as bad, and Mason Marchment is a complete nothing. So we're paying nickels to cycle through some lottery tickets where the potential payout is pretty darn big. Of course, it's a lottery with those 1/1000 odds, so we'll probably never win and end up losing a couple nickels over it, but imagine that we do win it. Imagine that we do pick a St Louis one of these days and what a huge coup that would be for the franchise.

Trying out a few shitty small tweeners every year costs the organization practically nothing. Considering the potential payout and the cost of getting those tweeners, it could be a positive EV transaction.
 
LeafGrief said:
He's a guy. Not very good, really. Seems like another Petan who will be yet another name in the wind. Years from now he will get posted in the "Name a former Leafs player" threads to minimal fanfare. Maybe one or two likes on the post and an "oh yeah that guy exists" reply.

Considering that we traded nothing for him, I really don't care that he is nothing. He hops off the ice and Kyle Clifford jumps over the boards so the lot of you can cram those Dubas narratives up where the sun don't shine.
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Exactly. He's a guy. Not every player is Matthews, or even Kapanen or Johnsson. Every team has 25 point guys, and in my books if they are cheap, defensively responsible, and acquired for an inferior asset, that is an absolute win. Just be thankful we aren't paying $2M+ for washed up former stars who are a liability on the ice, like plenty of other teams do. If he nets out at zero, and costs nothing, that's all we need from a fourth liner.
 
egd27 said:
The trade of Marchment for Malgin isn't a problem in terms of an asset swap.

For me, the issue is what is Malgin's role on the NHL roster and why is he in the lineup every night?

I get that we have 2 forwards out, but wasn't the forward depth (particularly wingers) supposed to be the great strength of this team? Is Malgin the best we have ?
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Kenny Agostino should be given a callup. For some reason it hasn’t happened. It doesn’t hurt his bank account not paying escrow. He makes the same money in the Minors as he would called up.
 
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67Leafs67 said:
Exactly. He's a guy. Not every player is Matthews, or even Kapanen or Johnsson. Every team has 25 point guys, and in my books if they are cheap, defensively responsible, and acquired for an inferior asset, that is an absolute win. Just be thankful we aren't paying $2M+ for washed up former stars who are a liability on the ice, like plenty of other teams do. If he nets out at zero, and costs nothing, that's all we need from a fourth liner.
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Some just feel the need to complain about every move, no matter how small
 
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Suntouchable13 said:
My question is, why are they stockpiling these small tweeners?
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Dubas simply can't quit these small skilled players, and doesn't seem to realize you can only mix in a select few into your NHL team.

Draft Bracco, Brooks, Timashov and Dzierkals or trade/sign for Petan, Malgin, Aberg etc etc. All that and a Toonie buys you a cup of coffee and that is about it.

If you throw enough spaghetti against a wall eventually something is going to stick.

Analytics doesn't take into account intangibles as size, strength and other assets that don't show up on a spreadsheet, but are beneficial to building a successful NHL team.

Perhaps in time with more experience Dubas will start to come around .. We have already seen coaches prefer Mikheyev, Engvall and Clifford as preferred regulars instead of deploying Dudas preferred style players.
 
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As of now, he is a 13th guy, nothing more - nothing less.

He entered the league quite young, and as we know from rushing players in Toronto, early entrance can significantly impact a young guy's trajectory. Especially for a player who was never highly-touted. There is probably another level for him as a middle-six PP guy on a team like Montreal, Anaheim, or Minnesota. Thats obviously not a need here.

I like that he is tenacious on the puck and willing to play hard. His brain clearly cannot keep up with his skillset but I think in a fourth line role he is fine. He is likely better than Tima (who I liked, quite a bit) but not as good as Moore (utility-wise). He's still young and probably has some development left in the tank. If he wants to keep his job he should double-down on an energy role.
 
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