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wetcoast said:
I'm thinking in about 4 of 5 years time when their young guys and future draft picks might come up.

Then again the cap might go up enough to offset that.

I just thought Columbus was buying too high on Johnny.


That's a cheap hit even if Johnny was looking down too much there.
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Jonny got clotheslined by his own stick, this hit was nothing...
 
majormajor said:
No they didn't, and no he isn't.

He's a really good player right now. And if you go back and read the threads from his signing, you won't find many people expecting him to fall apart as a player.
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Guess when I said everyone I should have put an asterisk *Everyone who actually knows whats going on in the NHL - Excludes 90% of hfboards posters. :laugh:
 
CBJWerenski8 said:
i agree, but there’s more to his game than scoring goals.

He needs to be better certainly, but he’s been good.
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100% agree, more than just scoring goals, but for a former 40 goal scorer, who makes as much money as he does, 1 goal in 21 games isn't good. At a minimum it isn't "awesome". It would be different if had racked up 30 assists or something.
 
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The moment he picked Colombus, he gave me the vibes of à guy that didn't care about winning, usually that really implies mailing it in
 
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Toby91ca said:
I think 1 goal in 21 games is less than awesome.


What do u mean by late and dirty? I’m real time it doesn’t look that late at all, but if a bit late that would be the absolute only thing I think you could call out…what else is dirty?
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Late and circumnavigating his own player is dirty. Not a hockey play at all. It’s true more obstruction than boarding but refs don’t call obstruction any longer. Gudreaue nets to plant the guy but maybe he’s playing hurt or didn’t see him.
 
Toby91ca said:
100% agree, more than just scoring goals, but for a former 40 goal scorer, who makes as much money as he does, 1 goal in 21 games isn't good. At a minimum it isn't "awesome". It would be different if had racked up 30 assists or something.
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Yeah well the thing is I have actually watched him play every game this year, and he's playing pretty awesome over the last few months.

Is his production awesome? No. It isn't. Is that all his fault? No, it isn't. But does he need to be better? Yeah, he does.
 
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Gaudreau's two big seasons were the fluke seasons. People here were calling him a superstar. He's not. He's a talented first liner that can produce in the right situation, but he's just points and not a guy that controls a game.
 
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Doublechin said:
The moment he picked Colombus, he gave me the vibes of à guy that didn't care about winning, usually that really implies mailing it in
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You gotta love it when HFers constantly conflate desire to join an already winning team with willingness to help their team win.

I'd sooner question the competitive desire of a player who signed with a team that just won the cup.
 
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Bank Shot said:
Gaudreau's two big seasons were the fluke seasons. People here were calling him a superstar. He's not. He's a talented first liner that can produce in the right situation, but he's just points and not a guy that controls a game.
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Absolutely.

That's exactly who he is in Columbus.

And the funny thing is, he's paid appropriately! A 115 pt player went to the UFA market and didn't even get paid $10m! Almost like people knew he wasn't a superstar.

So why all the haters?
 
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majormajor said:
Absolutely.

That's exactly who he is in Columbus.

And the funny thing is, he's paid appropriately! A 115 pt player went to the UFA market and didn't even get paid $10m! Almost like people knew he wasn't a superstar.

So why all the haters?
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Because Columbus. That's all it ever is.
 
majormajor said:
Absolutely.

That's exactly who he is in Columbus.

And the funny thing is, he's paid appropriately! A 115 pt player went to the UFA market and didn't even get paid $10m! Almost like people knew he wasn't a superstar.

So why all the haters?
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Anyone who ever played in Canada will get more hate than other players.

Some Calgary fans will hold a grudge forever because he exercised his right to leave as a UFA.
 
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CBJWerenski8 said:
Yeah well the thing is I have actually watched him play every game this year, and he's playing pretty awesome over the last few months.

Is his production awesome? No. It isn't. Is that all his fault? No, it isn't. But does he need to be better? Yeah, he does.
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He's on pace for 58 points, that's a disaster and there's no defending that. If he was actually playing awesome he'd have a lot more points regardless of the fact that he doesnt play with much talent. Werenski has a higher ppg average right now.
 
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CBJWerenski8 said:
Yeah well the thing is I have actually watched him play every game this year, and he's playing pretty awesome over the last few months.

Is his production awesome? No. It isn't. Is that all his fault? No, it isn't. But does he need to be better? Yeah, he does.
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The old ‘I watched him play’ argument.
He’s paid to produce and is currently on pace for 58 points. He certainly is not playing pretty awesome.
 
WetcoastOrca said:
The old ‘I watched him play’ argument.
He’s paid to produce and is currently on pace for 58 points. He certainly is not playing pretty awesome.
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That's from the bad start. Gaudreau is closer to point per game in the new year.

Yeah the guys who watch him would know better, don't be so quick to dismiss that just because you looked up a player's season stats.
 
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majormajor said:
That's from the bad start. Gaudreau is closer to point per game in the new year.

Yeah the guys who watch him would know better, don't be so quick to dismiss that just because you looked up a player's season stats.
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The I watch him play is a lame argument because those people are fans of the team and the player. I prefer a more objective view.
And I’d say the same to any fan base that makes that argument.
You can argue he’s been better than his stats but amazing? No chance.
A 58 point pace is just not good enough for his cap hit. Not even close.
 
rielledup said:
He's on pace for 58 points, that's a disaster and there's no defending that. If he was actually playing awesome he'd have a lot more points regardless of the fact that he doesnt play with much talent. Werenski has a higher ppg average right now.
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As major said, his point projections are based upon an incredibly dreadful October and November. He's not the near MVP calibre season of Gaudreau right now, not close, but he's been very good. You can keep watching scorecards.

WetcoastOrca said:
The old ‘I watched him play’ argument.
He’s paid to produce and is currently on pace for 58 points. He certainly is not playing pretty awesome.
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Already addressed above.

Most CBJ fans would probably agree with me, and quite frankly, thats all that matters. It's not like you care about if he's playing well or not.
 
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CBJWerenski8 said:
As major said, his point projections are based upon an incredibly dreadful October and November. He's not the near MVP calibre season of Gaudreau right now, not close, but he's been very good. You can keep watching scorecards.


Already addressed above.

Most CBJ fans would probably agree with me, and quite frankly, thats all that matters. It's not like you care about if he's playing well or not.
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Saying he is playing amazing is extreme hyperbole and I doubt many people would agree with you. The ‘I watch every game’ argument adds nothing imo. Let’s try to bring some objectivity into the debate. If you want to say he’s playing better than his 58 point pace then I can buy that.
 
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WetcoastOrca said:
Saying he is playing amazing is extreme hyperbole and I doubt many people would agree with you. The ‘I watch every game’ argument adds nothing imo. Let’s try to bring some objectivity into the debate. If you want to say he’s playing better than his 58 point pace then I can buy that.
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You don’t know my posting at all. I am objective.

Playing awesome and producing awesomely are different things. One he has been doing, the other he hasn’t. I have said both to be true. I don’t know why you’re so hung up on this.
 
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