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[The Crypto Guy]

Oh wow I guess that settles it.

Yea, the season he is having does sure does. It’s hilarious that anyone is trying to make any argument like he has played well this year lol, though to be fair that’s only 2-3 posters.

 

[majormajor]

Yea, the season he is having does sure does. It’s hilarious that anyone is trying to make any argument like he has played well this year lol, though to be fair that’s only 2-3 posters.

2-3 people who know his game much much better than the Rangers Crypto guy. Stick to what you know.

 

[ORRFForever]

He's certainly not "cooked". Has he slowed down at 30? Yes, most forwards do. Forwards who get better after 30 are the exceptions, not the rule.

Can return to his previous greatness? - he was "scary" good just 2 years ago. Time will tell.

Will Columbus regret that contract?

My guess : Yes. It's too long and too much.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

He's certainly not "cooked". Has he slowed down at 30? Yes, most players do. Players who get better after 30 are certainly the exceptions, not the rule.

Can return to his previous greatness? - he was "scary" good just 2 years ago. Time will tell.

Will Columbus regret that contract?

My guess : Yes. It's too long and too much.

Guy is on pace for around 40 points playing 1st line minutes and 1st PP time, after having 115 points 2 years ago at 28 years old (so who cares if he’s 30 now). And it’s not like he looks good out there, he looks like garbage most nights. Not sure in what world would he not be considered cooked.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

It clearly seems it was Tkachuk who was the glue guy and the key player on that line in 2021-2022.

 

[majormajor]

Guy is on pace for around 40 points playing 1st line minutes and 1st PP time, after having 115 points 2 years ago.

Dude that's the season opening slump.

8 pts in his last 10 games.

And it’s not like he looks good out there, he looks like garbage most nights. Not sure in what world would he not be considered cooked.

He was on it tonight. 85% xGF%. You don't watch him play so don't talk about how he plays. This ain't your topic.

 

[ORRFForever]

Guy is on pace for around 40 points playing 1st line minutes and 1st PP time, after having 115 points 2 years ago. And it’s not like he looks good out there, he looks like garbage most nights. Not sure in what world would he not be considered cooked.

To me, "cooked" means he's done. He's not done. Worst case : He's got a few more years left in him. Heck, he was almost PPG last year.

If Columbus had signed him for $5M - $7M a season, instead of $10M, there certainly would be less hand ringing / criticism.

Do I think it's a worrisome contract? Yes. Very much so.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

To me, "cooked" means he's done. He's not done. Worst case : He's got a few more years left in him. Heck, he was almost PPG last year.

If Columbus had signed him for $5M a season, instead of $10M, there certainly would be less hand ringing / criticism.

Fair enough, my definition of cooked is a bit different lol.

 

[Crede777]

To me, "cooked" means he's done. He's not done. Worst case : He's got a few more years left in him. Heck, he was almost PPG last year.

If Columbus had signed him for $5M a season, instead of $10M, there certainly would be less hand ringing / criticism.

If they offer him $5M a season, then another team gets him.

It was $10M / 7 years or nothing at all. And 32/32 GM's would have lined up to add him to their team if they could fit him.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Dude that's the season opening slump.

8 pts in his last 10 games.



He was on it tonight. 85% xGF%. You don't watch him play so don't talk about how he plays. This ain't your topic.

Oh i’ve watched him enough. And lol at caring what “fancy”’stats say. Seems like you are the one is isn’t actually watching him.

 

[ORRFForever]

Fair enough, my definition of cooked is a bit different lol.

If they offer him $5M a season, then another team gets him.

It was $10M / 7 years or nothing at all. And 32/32 GM's would have lined up to add him to their team if they could fit him.

I get that. My comments are in hindsight and everything is easy in hindsight.

 

[Crede777]

I get that. My comments are in hindsight and everything is easy in hindsight.

So why bother then?

 

[ORRFForever]

So why bother then?

???

 

[Crede777]

???

Why bother mentioning a scenario which would never have ever come to pass? Sticking to only plausible scenarios is best.

Oh i’ve watched him enough. And lol at caring what “fancy”’stats say. Seems like you are the one is isn’t actually watching him.

Unless you believe a witch came down and stole his talent overnight, you have to admit this is very likely a temporary slump. Players don't just forget how to play or go from being a career PPG player to a 40 point player in an off-season absent significant injury.

 

[ORRFForever]

Why bother mentioning a scenario which would never have ever come to pass? Sticking to only plausible scenarios is best.

Columbus should have been smarter - common sense would dictate a 7 year deal, for $10M a year, for a 29 year old, was not smart.

Having said that, I see your point.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Columbus should have been smarter - common sense would dictate a 7 year deal, for $10M a year, for a 29 year old, was not smart.

Having said that, I see your point.

As has been stated, there were teams that were willing to be even less "smart" than Columbus. Signing a player in free agency is simply more expensive.

As for Gaudreau: no, he is not cooked, as in done. He had a slump to begin with and plays on a team with quite limites offensive production. He was probably a bit better overall last year, but only marginally, I'd say. Let's wait and see what points total he has when the season's over.

I don't think anyone expected him to produce like he did in 2021–2022 consistently.

 

[Seanaconda]

He's certainly not "cooked". Has he slowed down at 30? Yes, most forwards do. Forwards who get better after 30 are the exceptions, not the rule.

Can return to his previous greatness? - he was "scary" good just 2 years ago. Time will tell.

Will Columbus regret that contract?

My guess : Yes. It's too long and too much.

Idk if saying as an oilers fan makes it better or worse but he's always had peaks and valleys for seasons so I do assume he has few more great ones tbh. Tenacious little guy and he should be better suited for the east.

Always love watching him play when he is on his game so hopefully he gets back to his standards

 

[mm11]

Life is crazy sometimes. My dime store head says the guy has juice in the tank. Time will tell.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Columbus as a team has been struggling. I am sure that doesn't help with motivation.

Yes, his level has dropped a bit.

 

[Turning Mangiapanese]

It clearly seems it was Tkachuk who was the glue guy and the key player on that line in 2021-2022.

Nah, it mainly was Gaudreau who made things happen on that line. Not a knock on Tkachuk who's clearly found yet another gear after the Summer of Brad (unlike Gaudreau), but Johnny does deserve all the credit he was given that year. His mediocre play in Columbus won't erase that.

 

[ORRFForever]

Idk if saying as an oilers fan makes it better or worse but he's always had peaks and valleys for seasons so I do assume he has few more great ones tbh. Tenacious little guy and he should be better suited for the east.

Always love watching him play when he is on his game so hopefully he gets back to his standards

Yes. The only concern, just like with John Tavares, is the contract.

If I was a GM, NO long term expensive contracts for goalies or forwards near 30 years of age.

 

[ORRFForever]

As has been stated, there were teams that were willing to be even less "smart" than Columbus. Signing a player in free agency is simply more expensive.

But then you don't make an offer. No one is forcing you to sign him. Let someone else (foolishly) cut that cheque.

Believe me, as a Leaf fan, I know your pain - Tavares is making a LOT of money for a guy over 30 - and we've had to pass on a lot of good players because of it.

 

[stevo61]

Gaudreau has been making plays and seemingly gets a breakaway a game lately, hes been fine. The issues are linemates and a pathetic PP the coaches keep trotting out with 0 creativity and players in the wrong spots on the ice. It will be interesting to see what the coaches do with Gaudreau's line while Jenner is out

 

[majormajor]

Nah, it mainly was Gaudreau who made things happen on that line. Not a knock on Tkachuk who's clearly found yet another gear after the Summer of Brad (unlike Gaudreau), but Johnny does deserve all the credit he was given that year. His mediocre play in Columbus won't erase that.

I don't feel much need to debate how much Tkachuk contributed.

Johnny has the highest scoring 5v5 season in 25 years to his credit, it takes an incredible player and an incredible situation to make that happen.

Gaudreau has been making plays and seemingly gets a breakaway a game lately, hes been fine. The issues are linemates and a pathetic PP the coaches keep trotting out with 0 creativity and players in the wrong spots on the ice. It will be interesting to see what the coaches do with Gaudreau's line while Jenner is out

My guess is that Sillinger and Laine might be involved when they come back. Gaudreau's line's issue is more on the RW, I think Boone Jenner is going to be missed.

 

[Dempsey]

When he chose Columbus to sign with long-term he had to have known he was basically packing it in as far as ever having a chance at a deep playoff run anytime soon goes. By the time they get good his very contract will be the thing holding them back.