Confirmed with Link: Dec 10: JT Miller is back skating with the team, returned on Dec. 12th
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f***, where's my can of worms....oh here it is.
The way he answered the simple question of "how are you doing" tells me everything i need to know.
Yeah that wasn't too good, I hope he's all right.
Glad to have him back though, LF f***IN GO
DeltaSwede
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He's laughing in disbelief.
Took the reporters 0,01 seconds to completely disregard what he just said about not wanting to talk about his time away.
"I know you guys are gonna ask no matter what, I'm just letting you know I won't talk about it ahead of time
"How are you doing... now?"
Insinuating that he was poorly while he was gone.
It made me laugh as well.
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HairyKneel
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What wasn't good?
He basically flipped it back at the sweaty neckbeards
This town is riddled with creepy media and fans.
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SillyRabbit
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Solid return for Miller. He absolutely looked rusty but that's offset by the energy he injected into the lineup. Definitely the emotional leader of the team.
Found a way to rack up 2 points as well.
Found a way to rack up 2 points as well.
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PavelBure10
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You bet. Many of times.
PuckMunchkin
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Okay.
Explain to me this.
Why is it that pretty much anything goes when critiquing players. But if the magical phrase "personal reasons" is invoked, anyone who is even thinking about what might be going on with said player, with out uttering a word, is guilty of some heinous sin?
Why?
Also. We knew Boeser was dealing with some horrific personal shit with his family and that did not slow people down one bit here. He got called a "fat slug" and phrases like "do your job" were thrown around.
Can you explain this double standard?
Nope i cant explain the "double standard", and its absolutely awful behaviour.
But to be fair thats not what i was talking about, What i am saying if the reason a player is away from the team is "personal reasons" then thats all that needs to be said. I believe as fans we are not entitled to information about players personal issues.
Frankly people can speculate all they want, I just dont know why we feel entitled to an answer from the player or the team because its literally none of our business.
Mr. Canucklehead
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I am pretty certain Pavel Bure returned home one night to a fan being in his house. News articles from that era are tough to come by, but I remember reading it in Riddle of the Russian Rocket.
PuckMunchkin
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There is almost no media access or any reporter who actually holds the players, management or coaches feet to the fire.
Ok.
So if Elias Pettersson said he is playing through something very personal right now.
Would that prevent the criticism of his play? Or...?
I dont quite understand how "personal reasons" functions to be honest. What is implied there?
DeltaSwede
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That they are personal?
You can criticize anyone you want, freedom of speech yaddy yadda, but you're not entitled to or privy to someones PERSONAL struggles. Because they are PERSONAL.
Get a dictionary or something jesus
PuckMunchkin
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Ok.
So from now on every player should use this phrase to shield them selves from unwanted criticism and questioning.
Edit. Actually.
I asked about this for personal reasons. So try to behave.
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That's nothing, Otani has come home to find two men in masks hundreds of times since moving to California.
I think there is a bit of confusion here, I havent really commented on whether you should/shouldnt criticize a player for his play if he has personal issues.
My comments are more addressed at how some of the media/fans feel like they deserve to know exactly what those personal reasons are.
EpochLink
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His personal shit doesn’t need to be spread to the media on why he wasn’t here, if he needed a break let it be.
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A long and entertaining or maybe boring read about secrets.
Miller's absence and following cover up by both sides should raise attention. Cover up because there has not been an official reason from anyone.
Both sides have valid reasons to keep a lid on events but there is what has been out there already and what has been said.
Simply connect the dots.
- Miller benched.
- Tocchet says playing only players that can help win and no Miller isn't injured
- 5 minutes before the full practice the Canucks issue a vague statement about a reset, which could mean anything but what is significant is the timing.
- The post practice media scrum with Tocchet's and his gushing praise for Miller for over 5 minutes and then, in a good way, calls Miller the team's FU player, maybe it was a FU to Tocchet
- The local media, Dhali creates/fabricates/speculates it is a "mental issue" as a possible reason and that gets legs.
- Mainstream shows/radio quote Dhali as a souce.
- No NHLPA involvement.
- Vague references to Miller's return, "when he is ready"
- Upon return Miller is asked about the "organizations support" and his answer is significant in the order and WHO he thanks, first his agent, (these agents are the liaisons with upper management) then his family (probably supporint/agreeing with decisons) then "the guys". In hockey the coach isn't "one of the guys" there even rules to prevent too close of contact due to Chicago. There was NO mention of "the organization" or coaches. This shows the order of importance in his mind. It would have been simple and easy to say yes if it was something else other than a possible standoff.
- Further, he also says to "forget What Happened" and go forward. What happened, past tense
PURE SPECULATION BASED ON ABOVE;
- Every point made is in the public realm and open for scrutiny
- Speculating on possible events.
- Miller disagrees with Tocchet between periods.
- Tocchet enforces his "power" to sit anyone he wants, Miller sits. On the bench Miller looks, resigned staring straight ahead.
- After the game some words and Tocchet/both still hot, make statements/ultimatums?.
- After post game comments Miller isn't happy about the public embarrassment and has an enthusiastic chat which ends with each side not moving off their position. An ultimatum maybe.
- Miller has some time to consider things and decides he isn't going to be complacent, maybe the conversation was or ended with "I quit" and you can't do that you are under contract and have to do as I say. Or some other words but end up with Miller contacting his agent and the agent contacting the team just before practice. Speculation because Miller might just have been late but if notified just before practice the team wanted to take the lead on any leaks.
- The team might have told Miller to take his time and think it over, undetermined when he would return.
- In all Canuck statements never was a mental health issue mentioned, just getting the help he needs which can easily be from his agent giving him advice. No doctors are involved re: CBA and NHLPA policies.
- Even the agent quote is rather neutral, paraphrase "I agree with his sentiments" which means nothing.
- The issue is serious enough that upper management intercedes and tells Tocchet he over stepped the line with an intensely proud and emotional star player Miller and the result is a public apology of sorts right after the statement issued and practice.
- Working and privy to behind the scenes many GMs and a few knowledgeable colleagues question the media "mental health" story knowing more than most, GM's inquire and there is a leak, Spittin Chiclets just about comes outright stating mental health is not the issue. But even they can't say too much due to legalities/policies now enforced by the NHL. Local media didn't even hint of a possible trade until a reliable eastern US source made it public. In the US the laws are different, in Canada Rogers and the NHL can more easily enforce censorship, no first amendment up here.
- After a period of time arrangements are made and Miller returns.
Many will poo poo this kind of speculation but lets set aside a few things.
Miller is well known for his volcanic nature.
Canuck statements refuted that there ever was friction between Pettersson and Miller but now they say they don't have to like each other to play together and the "room" is a happy place still.
Tocchet post games interviews are much more considered or thought out and his statements are easy given the softball questions asked or he just refuses to answer deflecting or changing the meaning of questions. Actually it is simpler he just chooses who he will answer and usually there are 4 employees asking and a few reliant on the good graces of the team for income.
It is in both parties to keep this buried for now, there is a possibility that one solution is there will be movement in the summer so play out the year. For Miller the better he plays the better more possible places to go and for the team more time to change his mind or do get his agent to quietly feel out teams after all his agent does represent many players on many teams. So a subtle hint that a leak disqualifies a team as a possible destination if that is the agreement might keep the circle very, very small. Who know the contacts Rutherford has too as the President talking to another at the president level. Buying for time and making the best of a bad situation for now and hopeful for a change of heart.
Just for references, Gretzky, Crosby, McDavid and other star level players have had coach's ditched/fired and not for their poor play.
That is some speculation only, my opinion of how the dots align. But those a known and the time line is pretty accurate.
A lot more meat on the bone than the other story
Okay now, for the most part this SEEMS to be put behind all concerned BUT there could be events yet to happen.
Who knows? Certainly not the paying public, the folks that spend over 10 K to support the product. Shut up, pay the tax and ignore the man behind the curtain
Hey Miller played a pretty good game for a first game back.
Miller's absence and following cover up by both sides should raise attention. Cover up because there has not been an official reason from anyone.
Both sides have valid reasons to keep a lid on events but there is what has been out there already and what has been said.
Simply connect the dots.
- Miller benched.
- Tocchet says playing only players that can help win and no Miller isn't injured
- 5 minutes before the full practice the Canucks issue a vague statement about a reset, which could mean anything but what is significant is the timing.
- The post practice media scrum with Tocchet's and his gushing praise for Miller for over 5 minutes and then, in a good way, calls Miller the team's FU player, maybe it was a FU to Tocchet
- The local media, Dhali creates/fabricates/speculates it is a "mental issue" as a possible reason and that gets legs.
- Mainstream shows/radio quote Dhali as a souce.
- No NHLPA involvement.
- Vague references to Miller's return, "when he is ready"
- Upon return Miller is asked about the "organizations support" and his answer is significant in the order and WHO he thanks, first his agent, (these agents are the liaisons with upper management) then his family (probably supporint/agreeing with decisons) then "the guys". In hockey the coach isn't "one of the guys" there even rules to prevent too close of contact due to Chicago. There was NO mention of "the organization" or coaches. This shows the order of importance in his mind. It would have been simple and easy to say yes if it was something else other than a possible standoff.
- Further, he also says to "forget What Happened" and go forward. What happened, past tense
PURE SPECULATION BASED ON ABOVE;
- Every point made is in the public realm and open for scrutiny
- Speculating on possible events.
- Miller disagrees with Tocchet between periods.
- Tocchet enforces his "power" to sit anyone he wants, Miller sits. On the bench Miller looks, resigned staring straight ahead.
- After the game some words and Tocchet/both still hot, make statements/ultimatums?.
- After post game comments Miller isn't happy about the public embarrassment and has an enthusiastic chat which ends with each side not moving off their position. An ultimatum maybe.
- Miller has some time to consider things and decides he isn't going to be complacent, maybe the conversation was or ended with "I quit" and you can't do that you are under contract and have to do as I say. Or some other words but end up with Miller contacting his agent and the agent contacting the team just before practice. Speculation because Miller might just have been late but if notified just before practice the team wanted to take the lead on any leaks.
- The team might have told Miller to take his time and think it over, undetermined when he would return.
- In all Canuck statements never was a mental health issue mentioned, just getting the help he needs which can easily be from his agent giving him advice. No doctors are involved re: CBA and NHLPA policies.
- Even the agent quote is rather neutral, paraphrase "I agree with his sentiments" which means nothing.
- The issue is serious enough that upper management intercedes and tells Tocchet he over stepped the line with an intensely proud and emotional star player Miller and the result is a public apology of sorts right after the statement issued and practice.
- Working and privy to behind the scenes many GMs and a few knowledgeable colleagues question the media "mental health" story knowing more than most, GM's inquire and there is a leak, Spittin Chiclets just about comes outright stating mental health is not the issue. But even they can't say too much due to legalities/policies now enforced by the NHL. Local media didn't even hint of a possible trade until a reliable eastern US source made it public. In the US the laws are different, in Canada Rogers and the NHL can more easily enforce censorship, no first amendment up here.
- After a period of time arrangements are made and Miller returns.
Many will poo poo this kind of speculation but lets set aside a few things.
Miller is well known for his volcanic nature.
Canuck statements refuted that there ever was friction between Pettersson and Miller but now they say they don't have to like each other to play together and the "room" is a happy place still.
Tocchet post games interviews are much more considered or thought out and his statements are easy given the softball questions asked or he just refuses to answer deflecting or changing the meaning of questions. Actually it is simpler he just chooses who he will answer and usually there are 4 employees asking and a few reliant on the good graces of the team for income.
It is in both parties to keep this buried for now, there is a possibility that one solution is there will be movement in the summer so play out the year. For Miller the better he plays the better more possible places to go and for the team more time to change his mind or do get his agent to quietly feel out teams after all his agent does represent many players on many teams. So a subtle hint that a leak disqualifies a team as a possible destination if that is the agreement might keep the circle very, very small. Who know the contacts Rutherford has too as the President talking to another at the president level. Buying for time and making the best of a bad situation for now and hopeful for a change of heart.
Just for references, Gretzky, Crosby, McDavid and other star level players have had coach's ditched/fired and not for their poor play.
That is some speculation only, my opinion of how the dots align. But those a known and the time line is pretty accurate.
A lot more meat on the bone than the other story
Okay now, for the most part this SEEMS to be put behind all concerned BUT there could be events yet to happen.
Who knows? Certainly not the paying public, the folks that spend over 10 K to support the product. Shut up, pay the tax and ignore the man behind the curtain
Hey Miller played a pretty good game for a first game back.
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I agree with this. My post from 10 days ago: Grub's Canucks & NHL News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Trade Winds Coming Early
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