Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[26Mats]

It sure going well for Slaf in NA eh

He's 19 on a bad team.

 

[Jaynki]

Terrific. What a defenseman. He moves the puck in an impressive fashion. Needs more polishing but he has strong two way upside.

 

[cave troll]

That's good, but I wanna see videos of him showing his other side, considering his team is getting pummelled in the same fashion like Habs are pummeled in NHL.

 

[NotProkofievian]

A lot of vintage Reinbacher on display here. He has such an ice tilting effect when he's on the ice. Hemming opponents in their zone, distributing the puck with creative passes, causing turnovers through the neutral zone, being a wet blanket on opponents forecheck.

 

[26Mats]

A lot of vintage Reinbacher on display here. He has such an ice tilting effect when he's on the ice. Hemming opponents in their zone, distributing the puck with creative passes, causing turnovers through the neutral zone, being a wet blanket on opponents forecheck.

I really hope he can make me forget about Michkov, or at least be a huge part of the team moving forward.

 

[jrom]

Remember when one of the reason we picked Reinbacher was that Fleming was coach.....that's done.

Read a lot of outlandish takes on this board but I don’t remember this one.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I really hope he can make me forget about Michkov, or at least be a huge part of the team moving forward.

I think he's going to be a well liked player among our fan base. He does so many things that people like. What I want to see from him this year is to start picking teams apart on the PP.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I really hope he can make me forget about Michkov, or at least be a huge part of the team moving forward.

This is gonna be tough when Michkov is winning awards lol

 

[montreal]

They've also taken things slowly with many and it blew up in their face too. But those are never talked about.

Who would you say?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I really hope he can make me forget about Michkov, or at least be a huge part of the team moving forward.

I don't think anyone will make us forget about the 2nd best player in the draft, but hopefully I'm wrong about Reinbacher's ceiling and it's more "bona-fide number 1" than "solid #2 like Seabrook"

 

[Jaynki]

This is gonna be tough when Michkov is winning awards lol

No because Reinbacher will lift the Stanley Cup when Michkov will lift his lady bing.

Lets deal in hypothetical. It certainly makes great debate and dont expose our bias at all.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

No because Reinbacher will lift the Stanley Cup when Michkov will lift his lady bing.

Lets deal in hypothetical. It certainly makes great debate and dont expose our bias at all.

I wish you would not reply to my posts because what you say never makes sense

 

[Jaynki]

I wish you would not reply to my posts because what you say never makes sense

Said the guy who already has Michkov winning awards

 

[417]

Who would you say?

How far back do you want me to go? How about back to when I started posting here in 2003?

Andrei Kostitsyn, Corey Urquhart, Corey Locke, Kyle Chipchura, JT Wyman, Matt D’Agostini, Sergei Kostitsyn, David Fischer, Ben Maxwell, Mathieu Carle, Danny Kristo, Louis Leblanc, Jonas Naatinen, Mac Bennett, Alexander Avtsin, Gabriel Dumont, Jarred Tinordi, Morgan Ellis, Nathan Beaulieu, Josia Didier, Olivier Archambault, Darren Dietz, Sebastian Collberg, Dalton Thrower, Tim Bozon, Brady Vail, Charles Hudon, Michael McCarron, Jacob De La Rose, Zach Fucale, Connor Crisp, Sven Andrighetto, Jeremy Gregoire, Nikita Scherbak, Brett Lernout, Daniel Audette, Noah Juulsen (blame injuries if you want here I suppose), Lukas Vejdemo, Simon Bourque, Jeremiah Addison, Ryan Poehling, Josh Brook, Cale Fleury, Cam Hillis.

I was tempted to add Jesse Ylonen and Mathias Norlinder, but it might be a tad early to start writing them off.

But all of the rest of the players above were "slow cooked" in their respect junior or European league, then again in the AHL, but none of them had anywhere near the impact many were hopeful of.

You got guys like Kostitsyn or Chipchura who had decent careers, but not anywhere near close what was expected of them.

The list of players who were "slow cooked' was easy to come up with, and you could repeat this same excercise for basically every team and it would be the same.

But no one ever talks about how THAT'S reason why they didn't work out...but as soon as a player is brought up earlier than fans think they should, and they end up flopping, it ends up becoming THE reason.

All of the excuses for some of the players i'm expecting to read, don't apply when we're talking about "rushing" players...injuries, mismanagement, etc...none of that ever matters when we're talking about 18-19 year olds.

It can't go both ways...and that's just a general comment, not pointing that directly at you.

Jesse Ylonen was drafted in 2018, more than 5 years ago.

Since then he's racked up

127 Liiga games
120 AHL games

He's still struggling to get any meaningful icetime in the NHL and could get waived any day...if he does, is anyone going to say it's because he was "slow cooked". He's not any closer to being an NHLer despite being picked 35th overall more than 5 years ago and 247 games played outside of the NHL.

 

[cave troll]

No because Reinbacher will lift the Stanley Cup when Michkov will lift his lady bing.

Lets deal in hypothetical. It certainly makes great debate and dont expose our bias at all.

Yep. When he plays NHL games on playstation.

 

[Andrei79]

How far back do you want me to go? How about back to when I started posting here in 2003?

Andrei Kostitsyn, Corey Urquhart, Corey Locke, Kyle Chipchura, JT Wyman, Matt D’Agostini, Sergei Kostitsyn, David Fischer, Ben Maxwell, Mathieu Carle, Danny Kristo, Louis Leblanc, Jonas Naatinen, Mac Bennett, Alexander Avtsin, Gabriel Dumont, Jarred Tinordi, Morgan Ellis, Nathan Beaulieu, Josia Didier, Olivier Archambault, Darren Dietz, Sebastian Collberg, Dalton Thrower, Tim Bozon, Brady Vail, Charles Hudon, Michael McCarron, Jacob De La Rose, Zach Fucale, Connor Crisp, Sven Andrighetto, Jeremy Gregoire, Nikita Scherbak, Brett Lernout, Daniel Audette, Noah Juulsen (blame injuries if you want here I suppose), Lukas Vejdemo, Simon Bourque, Jeremiah Addison, Ryan Poehling, Josh Brook, Cale Fleury, Cam Hillis.

I was tempted to add Jesse Ylonen and Mathias Norlinder, but it might be a tad early to start writing them off.

But all of the rest of the players above were "slow cooked" in their respect junior or European league, then again in the AHL, but none of them had anywhere near the impact many were hopeful of.

You got guys like Kostitsyn or Chipchura who had decent careers, but not anywhere near close what was expected of them.

The list of players who were "slow cooked' was easy to come up with, and you could repeat this same excercise for basically every team and it would be the same.

But no one ever talks about how THAT'S reason why they didn't work out...but as soon as a player is brought up earlier than fans think they should, and they end up flopping, it ends up becoming THE reason.

All of the excuses for some of the players i'm expecting to read, don't apply when we're talking about "rushing" players...injuries, mismanagement, etc...none of that ever matters when we're talking about 18-19 year olds.

It can't go both ways...and that's just a general comment, not pointing that directly at you.

Jesse Ylonen was drafted in 2018, more than 5 years ago.

Since then he's racked up

127 Liiga games
120 AHL games

He's still struggling to get any meaningful icetime in the NHL and could get waived any day...if he does, is anyone going to say it's because he was "slow cooked". He's not any closer to being an NHLer despite being picked 35th overall more than 5 years ago and 247 games played outside of the NHL.

Are you listing players who's time in lower leagues/AHL didn't translate into a significant NHL career or are you listing players who were actively harmed by being in lower leagues/AHL (i.e. "blew up in their face") ?

 

[417]

Are you listing players who's time in lower leagues/AHL didn't translate into a significant NHL career or are you listing players who were actively harmed by being in lower leagues/AHL (i.e. "blew up in their face") ?

I listed players who spent significant time in lower leagues but it either didn't translate into a significant NHL career or their NHL career didn't match the expectations for where they were drafted (think Andrei Kostitsyn).

Of course, no one would surmise that these players didn't pan out simply because they spent too much time in lower leagues…but when it's the opposite, a player graduated to the NHL quickly, it becomes THE reason.

Why is that? When you really can't prove either hypothesis?

If Reinbacher starts in the NHL next year and in a few years from now, he flames out.

People will be quick to point that it's because he was rushed.

But what if he starts in the NHL @ 19yrs old and he ends up a stalwart for this organization for the next 10-12 years…

Is “rushing prospects” somehow going to be the new Vogue thing to do? I would assume not.

It's just funny to me how quickly we reach conclusions based on very little evidence when that conclusion is convenient…but when it's the other way around, those same rules fly out the window

 

[DAChampion]

How far back do you want me to go? How about back to when I started posting here in 2003?

Andrei Kostitsyn, Corey Urquhart, Corey Locke, Kyle Chipchura, JT Wyman, Matt D’Agostini, Sergei Kostitsyn, David Fischer, Ben Maxwell, Mathieu Carle, Danny Kristo, Louis Leblanc, Jonas Naatinen, Mac Bennett, Alexander Avtsin, Gabriel Dumont, Jarred Tinordi, Morgan Ellis, Nathan Beaulieu, Josia Didier, Olivier Archambault, Darren Dietz, Sebastian Collberg, Dalton Thrower, Tim Bozon, Brady Vail, Charles Hudon, Michael McCarron, Jacob De La Rose, Zach Fucale, Connor Crisp, Sven Andrighetto, Jeremy Gregoire, Nikita Scherbak, Brett Lernout, Daniel Audette, Noah Juulsen (blame injuries if you want here I suppose), Lukas Vejdemo, Simon Bourque, Jeremiah Addison, Ryan Poehling, Josh Brook, Cale Fleury, Cam Hillis.

I was tempted to add Jesse Ylonen and Mathias Norlinder, but it might be a tad early to start writing them off.

But all of the rest of the players above were "slow cooked" in their respect junior or European league, then again in the AHL, but none of them had anywhere near the impact many were hopeful of.

You got guys like Kostitsyn or Chipchura who had decent careers, but not anywhere near close what was expected of them.

The list of players who were "slow cooked' was easy to come up with, and you could repeat this same excercise for basically every team and it would be the same.

But no one ever talks about how THAT'S reason why they didn't work out...but as soon as a player is brought up earlier than fans think they should, and they end up flopping, it ends up becoming THE reason.

All of the excuses for some of the players i'm expecting to read, don't apply when we're talking about "rushing" players...injuries, mismanagement, etc...none of that ever matters when we're talking about 18-19 year olds.

It can't go both ways...and that's just a general comment, not pointing that directly at you.

Jesse Ylonen was drafted in 2018, more than 5 years ago.

Since then he's racked up

127 Liiga games
120 AHL games

He's still struggling to get any meaningful icetime in the NHL and could get waived any day...if he does, is anyone going to say it's because he was "slow cooked". He's not any closer to being an NHLer despite being picked 35th overall more than 5 years ago and 247 games played outside of the NHL.

It was said that the Habs didn't give chances to a lot of the players you listed.

Tinordi for example spent a lot of games in the stand because Bergevin was accumulating number 8 dmen like Bryan Allen.

Of course, no one would surmise that these players didn't pan out simply because they spent too much time in lower leagues…

That, injuries, and underlying lack of talent.

 

[Skip Bayless]

I'm not worried about Reinbacher at all. I see his slow-ish start as a byproduct of injuries and added weight.

The processing is great and he displayed really good offensive skills last year. He will go back to that level as the season goes and improve.

 

[417]

It was said that the Habs didn't give chances to a lot of the players you listed.

Tinordi for example spent a lot of games in the stand because Bergevin was accumulating number 8 dmen like Bryan Allen.

So what you're saying is that there's a lot more that goes into the success or failure of a prospect's development than just where he's playing or when he got there?

Hmmm...interesting.

It's almost like when the Habs had Jesperi Kotkaniemi, a guy I keep reading was rushed, but instead of playing him, they would sit him behind guys like Eric Staal or Nate Thompson.

That, injuries, and underlying lack of talent.

Hmmm...again, all valid responses.

They just seem to disappear when we're talking about 18-19 year olds. When they're 18-19, we never consider injuries, underlying lack of talent, GMs/coaches using washed up players like Bryan Allen.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

A lot of vintage Reinbacher on display here. He has such an ice tilting effect when he's on the ice. Hemming opponents in their zone, distributing the puck with creative passes, causing turnovers through the neutral zone, being a wet blanket on opponents forecheck.

I love the pick, still would have taking Michkov, but I get why they didn’t. I’m over it. Reinbacher will be a staple on this d for years to come.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Read a lot of outlandish takes on this board but I don’t remember this one.

Exactly....that was never a take.

 

[Runner77]

BTW, how do you like Mesar this year, now that he is producing?

Can we now trade him for Kulich?

 

[themilosh]

I really hope he can make me forget about Michkov, or at least be a huge part of the team moving forward.

he may not be as exciting, but rest assured he was the better pick for "key" player core, even if unpopular. We already have a "michkov" in CC.. small snipers (not names Patty Kane) are limited threats in 5v5. You can't win a Cup with PP specialists (or 3v3 OT heros), you need a solid back end (and goalie) before building the forwards.

by the time our D have properly developed, I imagine the focus will shift back to forward. We will need to trade one of our D for a similar F (but at least we can target the right piece).

 

[26Mats]

he may not be as exciting, but rest assured he was the better pick for "key" player core, even if unpopular. We already have a "michkov" in CC.. small snipers (not names Patty Kane) are limited threats in 5v5. You can't win a Cup with PP specialists (or 3v3 OT heros), you need a solid back end (and goalie) before building the forwards.

by the time our D have properly developed, I imagine the focus will shift back to forward. We will need to trade one of our D for a similar F (but at least we can target the right piece).

I hear you. We've been so starved for talent, I would have been ready to try to break the mold and win with two lines, with the following two 2 duos:

Michkov - Suzuki - Roy
Caufield - Dach - Slaf

Just would have liked to have seen if they could do it. Maybe down the line we get another big fellow to play on the Suzuki line and Roy moves down to the 3rd line.

Or, after we picked Reinbacher, would Arizona have prefered Hutson to Shimashev? Could we have traded Hutson to Arizona for the 6th pick and taken Michkov after Reinbacher? Should we have even if we could have?