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Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

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Hinterland said:
What's your point? Playmaking creates scoring. I never called him a goal scorer. The best case scenario for him is a poor man's Patrick Kane. I wrote that already. Kane would easily be creative enough to play Center. He doesn't because he's too soft and not good enough against the puck. The same goes for Benson and I doubt it's gonna change.
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Marinaro had Gerry Flemming on his podcast last night. He is Reinbacher's coach in Kloten. Must watch. I am no fan of Marinaro but the last 2 nights he has had some solid guests.
 
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Lafleurs Guy said:
As always my opinion on these prospects came from my own reading as I never saw any of these guys play - so take my opinion with a grain of salt here.

I had a few thoughts on Leonard. First, he plays a physical game but has a small frame. That gave me concern. Secondly, he was on a line with Smith sand another top scorer which made me wonder how much of his scoring was him vs them? Was he really as good offensively as his numbers suggested?

I wanted Michkov because he had the potential to be a big scorer. Something this franchise has lacked forever. When we took RB I was really disappointed. It took me about a day to come off the ledge. :laugh:
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Michkov made sense, but I get the impression that Hughes is pretty worried about team size at this point. He's willing to spend later picks on small, skilled guys, but he's looking for size in the top 10. It hasn't worked out well for the habs the last few decades, but I guess some things don't change.
 
dcyhabs said:
Michkov made sense, but I get the impression that Hughes is pretty worried about team size at this point. He's willing to spend later picks on small, skilled guys, but he's looking for size in the top 10. It hasn't worked out well for the habs the last few decades, but I guess some things don't change.
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I don't think it's accurate to suggest that the Habs reached for size. Physical traits are obviously a part of the evaluation and projection, but with both Slaf & Reinbacher, I think they picked the best player they evaluated at that slot.

In 2022, after Slaf, of the next 7 picks, only 2 are 6' tall (Beck & Engstrom) and 3 of them were under 170lbs. Size was clearly not a dominant focus or priority.
 
Miller Time said:
I don't think it's accurate to suggest that the Habs reached for size. Physical traits are obviously a part of the evaluation and projection, but with both Slaf & Reinbacher, I think they picked the best player they evaluated at that slot.

In 2022, after Slaf, of the next 7 picks, only 2 are 6' tall (Beck & Engstrom) and 3 of them were under 170lbs. Size was clearly not a dominant focus or priority.
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I think they made their best picks after already concluding that they couldn't have a team with yet another small top 6 forward. I don't think it was their only consideration, and I'm not saying they were wrong.

It's pretty tough to find big guys later in the draft, and the habs have stunk at it for years. It's not a new idea for the habs, and it hasn't worked out real well, but I can understand trying to get big guys with top picks. Size is overvalued across the league, but the habs already have such a small team that they can't avoid paying the premium. With later picks it's sufficiently unlikely that you get a good player that trying to get size is often unreasonable.
 
dcyhabs said:
I think they made their best picks after already concluding that they couldn't have a team with yet another small top 6 forward. I don't think it was their only consideration, and I'm not saying they were wrong.

It's pretty tough to find big guys later in the draft, and the habs have stunk at it for years. It's not a new idea for the habs, and it hasn't worked out real well, but I can understand trying to get big guys with top picks. Size is overvalued across the league, but the habs already have such a small team that they can't avoid paying the premium. With later picks it's sufficiently unlikely that you get a good player that trying to get size is often unreasonable.
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That's why I was ready to overpay for PLD.
 
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dcyhabs said:
It's why I found the Newhook move a little weird. They must see more upside than most, or they are addressing team speed.
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I think more the latter

The price paid wasn't exactly small, Avs weren't jettisoning the player, nor did they part with him for peanuts. I think Newhook's value is considerably higher among hockey minds than it is amongst stat watching fans
 
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dcyhabs said:
It's why I found the Newhook move a little weird. They must see more upside than most, or they are addressing team speed.
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Yeah I'm ok with Newhook, so I'm ok with getting any good, talented young forward for a late first amd a second. I mean provided Newhook pans out, I like the move. At forward, we need size. But we also need talent. I wouldn't have let size deter me from taking Michkov.
 
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dcyhabs said:
I think they made their best picks after already concluding that they couldn't have a team with yet another small top 6 forward. I don't think it was their only consideration, and I'm not saying they were wrong.

It's pretty tough to find big guys later in the draft, and the habs have stunk at it for years. It's not a new idea for the habs, and it hasn't worked out real well, but I can understand trying to get big guys with top picks. Size is overvalued across the league, but the habs already have such a small team that they can't avoid paying the premium. With later picks it's sufficiently unlikely that you get a good player that trying to get size is often unreasonable.
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Perhaps. I don't see it that way... as you mention re.newhook, they aren't shy to spend assets to get the player they want, even if it means adding another smallish fwd to the core mix

I think they are first and foremost looking for the right mix of high ceiling, skill & mental make-up.

More than their size, Reinbacher & Slaf both appear to have very solid mental game, maturity and ability to handle pressure... and skill/physical traits that point to a high ceiling if they keep committed to learning & improving their game for several years

Those are traits that seem quite highly valued when looking at the players picked in the past 2 drafts
 
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Hinterland said:
What's your point? Playmaking creates scoring. I never called him a sniper. The best case scenario for him is a poor man's Patrick Kane. I wrote that already. Kane would easily be creative enough to play Center. He doesn't because he's too soft and not good enough against the puck. The same goes for Benson and I doubt it's gonna change.
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A scoring winger IS a sniper
 
Jeffrey Steele said:
I still doubt you watched him play and thus can't define how he defends since you thought he's a scoring winger when his greatest attribute is playmaking.
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This is the problem of many posters here when it comes to young prospects, they don't watch them but they're very opinionated.

It's a shame Benson dropped so much
 
HuGo Burner Acc said:
Some people freaking out about the Jeff Petry comments on the sick podcast. I mean if he becomes Jeff Petry offensively, I'll have no problem with that because he's already defensively better than he ever was


What if 80% are close range rebounds, deflections, and tip ins lol
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The point is, would you describe a playmaking winger as a scoring winger?
 
I like the RB pick. I think he has super high upside and was also a relatively advanced pick (in terms of development), which is pretty much what teams are looking for at #5.

That said, I'm also a big ZB fan and will be rooting for him.

No ragrats though. DRB was a great selection and really solidifies the Habs moving forward.
 
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HuGo Burner Acc said:
Some people freaking out about the Jeff Petry comments on the sick podcast. I mean if he becomes Jeff Petry offensively, I'll have no problem with that because he's already defensively better than he ever was
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And what these whiners fail to understand is that Petry's career is/has been better than most careers of 5OA picks in the past 30 years... easily top 1/2, maybe even top 10.

Everyone wants a superstar with a high pick, and hopefully RB becomes one... but if he tops out at a career as good as, or a bit better than Petry, that's really not so shabby
 
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dcyhabs said:
Michkov made sense, but I get the impression that Hughes is pretty worried about team size at this point. He's willing to spend later picks on small, skilled guys, but he's looking for size in the top 10. It hasn't worked out well for the habs the last few decades, but I guess some things don't change.
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I think you’re right. Part of it was a size concern.
 
Miller Time said:
And what these whiners fail to understand is that Petry's career is/has been better than most careers of 5OA picks in the past 30 years... easily top 1/2, maybe even top 10.

Everyone wants a superstar with a high pick, and hopefully RB becomes one... but if he tops out at a career as good as, or a bit better than Petry, that's really not so shabby
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I think people hear Petry and think of how long it took Petry to arrive, and his relatively short peak and get mad. But I don't see DR taking that long to arrive, and think that he's a smarter player than Petry anyhow.
 
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Yeah Petry only really became the Petry we know at 30/31 years old. If Reinbacher can become him at 21 and we get 10-15 years of that, it’s a win.

However, defensively speaking, I think Reinbacher will be on another level. He doesn’t have that brainfart attribute that Petry has.
 
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le_sean said:
Yeah Petry only really became the Petry we know at 30/31 years old. If Reinbacher can become him at 21 and we get 10-15 years of that, it’s a win.
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You don’t often get future HOFers at 5 OA, so I’ll be happy if Reinbacher turns into Prime Petry for a decade or so, regardless of who was drafted after him.
 
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Miller Time said:
And what these whiners fail to understand is that Petry's career is/has been better than most careers of 5OA picks in the past 30 years... easily top 1/2, maybe even top 10.

Everyone wants a superstar with a high pick, and hopefully RB becomes one... but if he tops out at a career as good as, or a bit better than Petry, that's really not so shabby
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NHL Players selected at the 5th draft position at hockeydb.com

It's Petry vs those guys? Interesting comparison. The recent guys it's obviously too soon to tell.

I would say Petry is about the median choice maybe?
 
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