Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Colezuki]

I remember a reporter asking Slaf what was the big difference NHL vs Liiga and he said "every team has their own/different playstyle, in Liiga everyone was playing trap and he was explicitly told to not forecheck too deep and wait mid-ice".

This might be a weird take, but while the fins have had a lot of success at the international level, they're talented younger players have sometimes struggled in the NHL. I wonder if there is something to this on a broader scale

 

[Mrb1p]

This might be a weird take, but while the fins have had a lot of success at the international level, they're talented younger players have sometimes struggled in the NHL. I wonder if there is something to this on a broader scale

Their strength and conditioning is incredibly bad. At least, he was. I remember seeing a training video of Lekhonen and it made 2 am pilates infomercial look scientific.

I think they did get better in the last few years though. There's also something to be said about Liiga, it is 10% a slow paced league.

 

[Natey]

Benson is probably the best two-way player in the CHL and undoubtedly the best two-way player in the 2023 draft.

He brings nothing defensively to the table though! One dimensional player!

 

[Ezpz]

Benson is probably the best two-way player in the CHL and undoubtedly the best two-way player in the 2023 draft.

Ironically if Buffalo had won one more game, and Florida had lost one more game, he was picked where Florida's pick would have been because the Pens had the tiebreaker over Florida. It's a shame. I think most would be fine not having Newhook and having 13th overall instead.

 

[Hinterland]

Benson is probably the best two-way player in the CHL and undoubtedly the best two-way player in the 2023 draft.

You're talking out of your ass here. Even if I did like Benson's two way game (which I don't, not one bit) there are some quality two way Centers in this draft. Nate Danielson for example or Samuel Honzek who actually proved it vs men in a pro league a year ago.

 

[Mrb1p]

You're talking out of your ass here. Even if I did like Benson's two way game (which I don't, not one bit) there are some quality two way Centers in this draft. Nate Danielson for example or Samuel Honzek who actually proved it vs men in a pro league a year ago.

Yes they are, and none were better than him, which is why you're wrong. Maybe you've had very limited viewings where Benson wasn't at his best ? It happens. Even Raymond Bourque has been turned into a pretzel once or twice.

 

[le_sean]

Super cool that this has derailed into a “well I preferred X player” thread. Fantastic, save your scouting reports for the Out of Town thread since that player isn’t on the Habs.

 

[Hinterland]

Yes they are, and none were better than him, which is why you're wrong. Maybe you've had very limited viewings where Benson wasn't at his best ? It happens. Even Raymond Bourque has been turned into a pretzel once or twice.

If Benson was just half as good against the puck as Danielson or Honzek he would have went clearly ahead of them because I don't think anybody is doubting his skillset. The fact that he fell down to 13 is clearly indicating that teams are sharing my concerns about his allround game at least in large parts.

 

[Mrb1p]

If Benson was just half as good against the puck as Danielson or Honzek he would have went clearly ahead of them because I don't think anybody is doubting his skillset. The fact that he fell down to 13 is clearly indicating that teams are sharing my concerns about his allround game at least in large parts.

Listen, I wanted to be kind and not call you out completely but its clear youve never watched Benson and don't know shit about him.

Lets try to avoid talking so boldly about things we don't know about, it spreads misinformation and does nothing good for this board.

Benson went at 13 because GMs are afraid of his size, skating speed (wrongly) and the 2023 draft was great. It also helped that Arizona reached twice for horrible ass russian players in hope of getting a unicorn of some kind.

Thats it, you can ignore this post and stop talkign about Benson now.

 

[Hacketts]

I didn't like his game against the puck. His positioning is far from ideal and he also doesn't seem to have the strength to even knock fellow kids off pucks. Kid has lots of upside with the puck on his stick but there are good reasons why he fell in the draft which I actually predicted. Had him even lower at 23 on my list I think. Benson probably would have to become at least a poor man's Patrick Kane to come anywhere near Reinbacher's value. I don't see any other way for him to justify his draft position. Don't see him turning into power- or two way forward. He's not gonna move to Center or get much bigger either so his options are kinda limited.

It's possible he's gonna be this good but I wouldn't say it's likely and there's bust potential as well. Of the top picks, him and Dvorsky are probably the most likely to bust.

If you're going to write about a player, make sure to actually watch the player.

Terrible take on Benson.

 

[DAChampion]

I'm so relieved he was sent back to Kloten.

Ideally they bring this guy in slowly
D+1: Kloten
D+2: Laval
D+3: Laval
D+4: NHL

EDIT:
Kloten, TY! Can you tell I was reading Plekanec's bio yesterday?

Are you sarcastic?

I think it's very unlikely that Reinbacher will need two seasons in Laval.

 

[Hinterland]

Listen, I wanted to be kind and not call you out completely but its clear youve never watched Benson and don't know shit about him.

Lets try to avoid talking so boldly about things we don't know about, it spreads misinformation and does nothing good for this board.

Benson went at 13 because GMs are afraid of his size, skating speed (wrongly) and the 2023 draft was great. It also helped that Arizona reached twice for horrible ass russian players in hope of getting a unicorn of some kind.

Thats it, you can ignore this post and stop talkign about Benson now.

His size is obviously a concern but his skating is fine. That's not what I was referring to.

I don't think the kids Arizona drafted are necessarily terrible but definitely more in 2nd than 1st round territory. Those were quite the reaches, I agree. Probably could have traded backwards quite a bit and still got them.

 

[WeThreeKings]

While this is a Reinbacher thread.. Benson fell because he's small, his acceleration isn't great for his size and he had a major shoulder injury his draft year.

Those are red flags regardless of his great talent. Buffalo got to take him at 13 because some teams took those red flags too seriously, he shouldn't have lasted that long.

But Buffalo will have to be weary because they also took another small Winnipeg Ice forward who got injured again. I think that's the 3rd or 4th major injury for Savoie, two shoulder and multiple concussions?

Availability is a skill. Hopefully for Benson he doesn't go the way of Savoie or Brule.

Either way, Benson was not going to be picked at 5. Not by us, not by Buffalo if they had the 5th overall. Doesn't exclude him from being a good player in this league - but shouldn't we be talking about how the Sabres might be rushing him?

 

[Hins77]

I'm so relieved he was sent back to Kloten.

Ideally they bring this guy in slowly
D+1: Kloten
D+2: Laval
D+3: Laval
D+4: NHL

EDIT:
Kloten, TY! Can you tell I was reading Plekanec's bio yesterday?

He was already a reliable dman and was growing in front of us. I expect NHL next year. He is already dominating a level a bit lower than AHL…. He is already making his AHL time in swiss

 

[NotProkofievian]

Reinbacher's game grew substantially over the course of the last season. By the playoffs, he was playing big minutes and was a leader on Kloten. His impact was huge in some games, like an actual ice tilting effect. After another year, I expect him to be the best defenceman on his team, and one of the best in the league. He'll come into camp next year and make it very difficult to send him down. He may just be ready at that time.

 

[HabzSauce]

Super cool that this has derailed into a “well I preferred X player” thread. Fantastic, save your scouting reports for the Out of Town thread since that player isn’t on the Habs.

Dude this entire thread since day one has been nothing about reinbacher

It was michkov, then it was slafkovsky, then it was development and now we're onto Benson I see

 

[windycity]

Yep. The guy scored 14 points in the Allsvenskan last season. He's lucky to even get a spot in the SHL. Highly unlikely to get to 10 points there. Just as a reminder, Reinbacher scored 22 points last season. Almost 2x Dvorsky's scoring and we're talking defender vs forward and top league vs 2nd tier league.

Dvorsky is talented and he's gonna destroy the WJC20 as he always does vs fellow kids but the guy has yet to prove he can play in a pro league. Gonna be happy for him if he does but there's serious bust potential with Dvorsky. I don't like his skating at all and his game against the puck is in need of a lot of work as well.

Sounds kinda like Sebastian Collberg in that respect

 

[KevSkillz4]

Big big mea culpa from me with that pick. I'm on 100% Michkov, Leonard and Benson train before the selection. But with what I see from him in rookie camp and pre-season, this guy is worth 100% a top 5 selection. Immense potential and the most underrated part of his game is his offensive. He have already great mature game, hockey IQ and great position at defensive zone. His offensive game looks very very good aswell, he have potential to become a special D-man in NHL. Already 18 years old and play like a veteran, every comments about him, reminds me of Kaiden Guhle, maybe with more potential, but I'm a huge fan of Guhle since his draft year so picking another type of impact at 5, is perfectly fine to me. Guhle and Reinbacher will be important in D like Suzuki, Caufield and Dach at forward!! Really like what Habs management are building at this point.

 

[FrankMTL]

Super cool that this has derailed into a “well I preferred X player” thread. Fantastic, save your scouting reports for the Out of Town thread since that player isn’t on the Habs.

Seriously. I would even venture to say that since we drafted Reinbacher in June, there are more posts discussing other prospects we should have drafted (and their progress) then Reinbacher.

But you know, it's cool that I can get updates on Michkov and Benson in one place. I'm looking forward to the Ryan Leonard discussions which should start in a couple of days

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Benson is also a winger. On draft day, wingers are always the most likely to fall. Those who don't usually offer additional value like strong two way hockey, extra grit or extra size. With Benson you get none of that. He's just a smallish scoring winger. Granted a very talented one but with serious bust potential and not known for anything else. He was always gonna fall. Whether that was the right call or not we'll find out soon enough but when in doubt, teams are always gonna draft Centers and Defenders over Wingers.

Did you even watch Benson play? He's much more of a playmaker than scorer, for one, and is a great two-way player.

 

[Hinterland]

Did you even watch Benson play? He's much more of a playmaker than scorer, for one, and is a great two-way player.

Yeah, highly skilled and creative player. However, there are reasons why he still doesn't play Center and fell in the draft. I explained them already.

 

[HabzSauce]

Seriously. I would even venture to say that since we drafted Reinbacher in June, there are more posts discussing other prospects we should have drafted (and their progress) then Reinbacher.

But you know, it's cool that I can get updates on Michkov and Benson in one place. I'm looking forward to the Ryan Leonard discussions which should start in a couple of days

Why pay for NHL network when you can get all your hockey news here in this thread!!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

While this is a Reinbacher thread.. Benson fell because he's small, his acceleration isn't great for his size and he had a major shoulder injury his draft year.

Those are red flags regardless of his great talent. Buffalo got to take him at 13 because some teams took those red flags too seriously, he shouldn't have lasted that long.

But Buffalo will have to be weary because they also took another small Winnipeg Ice forward who got injured again. I think that's the 3rd or 4th major injury for Savoie, two shoulder and multiple concussions?

Availability is a skill. Hopefully for Benson he doesn't go the way of Savoie or Brule.

Either way, Benson was not going to be picked at 5. Not by us, not by Buffalo if they had the 5th overall. Doesn't exclude him from being a good player in this league - but shouldn't we be talking about how the Sabres might be rushing him?

As always my opinion on these prospects came from my own reading as I never saw any of these guys play - so take my opinion with a grain of salt here.

I had a few thoughts on Leonard. First, he plays a physical game but has a small frame. That gave me concern. Secondly, he was on a line with Smith sand another top scorer which made me wonder how much of his scoring was him vs them? Was he really as good offensively as his numbers suggested?

I wanted Michkov because he had the potential to be a big scorer. Something this franchise has lacked forever. When we took RB I was really disappointed. It took me about a day to come off the ledge.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yeah, highly skilled and creative player. However, there are reasons why he still doesn't play Center and fell in the draft. I explained them already.

I still doubt you watched him play and thus can't define how he defends since you thought he's a scoring winger when his greatest attribute is playmaking.

 

[Hinterland]

I still doubt you watched him play and thus can't define how he defends since you thought he's a scoring winger when his greatest attribute is playmaking.

What's your point? Playmaking creates scoring. I never called him a sniper. The best case scenario for him is a poor man's Patrick Kane. I wrote that already. Kane would easily be creative enough to play Center. He doesn't because he's too soft and not good enough against the puck. The same goes for Benson and I doubt it's gonna change.