Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

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Folks here should be happy. We got our top D pairing for years to come: Guhle-Reinbacher. Now, let's hope Hutson and Mailloux will become key cogs of our future PP.
I mean.. I'm not happy, but I'm not fuming. I think he's going to be an incredible player and I'm happy we picked him over some of the other options.

I just think Benson is going to be an absolute star.
 
Listed as sick on tonights lineup card in Geneva. Hopefully just rested after the flight and meaning that they're sticking with the original plan to play him friday in Biel. At least I haven't heard any different news out of Kloten.
 
Guhle-Reinbacher
Matheson-Kovacevic
Xhekaj-Engstrom
spare: Struble

Tradeable? Harris, Savard, Mailloux, Hutson? Not for nothing, for good pieces.

Honestly, i would be very cautious with trading Lane Hutson. You don't bet against this type of potential. I mean, a PPG defenseman in the NHL should look like he did in the NCAA in his D+1. The upside is massive, just massive.

But, considering Guhle, Reinbacher and Matheson, then depending on the emergence of Engstrom and Mailloux.

Hutson might just be the trade chip we need to acquire established top offensive talent. If we can acquire an established forward that fit our core age for the price of Hutson, i would think about it.
 
I mean.. I'm not happy, but I'm not fuming. I think he's going to be an incredible player and I'm happy we picked him over some of the other options.

I just think Benson is going to be an absolute star.
12 teams did not pick him.... And do the Habs need another pint size forward ? But, I must admit, he is darn good. Buffalo line up fits him well.
 
Like Caufield, yes.... Scouts and GMs judged they were too small. Like Hutson, too.

Benson is also a winger. On draft day, wingers are always the most likely to fall. Those who don't usually offer additional value like strong two way hockey, extra grit or extra size. With Benson you get none of that. He's just a smallish scoring winger. Granted a very talented one but with serious bust potential and not known for anything else. He was always gonna fall. Whether that was the right call or not we'll find out soon enough but when in doubt, teams are always gonna draft Centers and Defenders over Wingers.
 
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I mean.. I'm not happy, but I'm not fuming. I think he's going to be an incredible player and I'm happy we picked him over some of the other options.

I just think Benson is going to be an absolute star.

Buffalo really stacked the wings with Benson, Kulich and Savoie over two drafts. That team will be a nightmare to play for the next 5 years. They're looking like a potential early 2010s Chicago-like team.
 
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5-on-3 he can get in tight and has some accuracy with the wrister, but in general he does not provide a point threat with a clapper, like an NHL PP has to have.

They have Mailloux for that, but even then, the name of the game isn't slap shots anymore, it's quick shots that can get through traffic.

Buffalo really stacked the wings with Benson, Kulich and Savoie over two drafts. That team will be a nightmare to play for the next 5 years. They're looking like a potential early 2010s Chicago-like team.

Only took them 12 years of drafting top 15.
 
They have Mailloux for that, but even then, the name of the game isn't slap shots anymore, it's quick shots that can get through traffic.



Only took them 12 years of drafting top 15.
To be fair there's two or three different rebuilds sprinkled in there and a lot their best pieces came through trade. Their entire top line and future #1 goalie are trade acquisitions. What's crazy is the first piece of their rebuild was Zemgus Girgensons (along with Grigorenko) who is about to turn 30 in a few months.

What's also crazy is they drafted a lot of NHLers in that span and almost none of them stayed in Buffalo but didn't walk in free agency. They just kept trading guys or not signing them as prospects. McCabe, Ullmark, Lemieux, Armia, Risto, Zad, Compher, Cal petersen, Reinhart, Eichel, Hagel, Nylander, Asplund in about six drafts from 2011-2016. They averaged slightly over two NHLers per draft and it would be higher minus the Armia draft. Go further back and there's Foligno, McNabb, Kassian, Myers, Ennis and Byron who all played a significant number of games.

They never should have stayed bad that long.
 
If Struble is my 7th, and anyone is still "way ahead of him" even after he gets his turn to work the AHL, then I would add them to the trade list. The 7th guy would have no trade value.

So sure, go ahead and add Norlinder and Trudeau to Engstrom and Xhekaj as potential top-sixers and expand the tradeable list to include anyone that might bring value that we are not pencilling in as core. Xhekaj may indeed have value around the league.

Also note that I think Kovacevic has more value to us than the value others might give in a trade, which is why I have him on the keep list - not that he is better than everyone on the trade list.

To me, trades are not just a disguised way to 'get rid of' a guy who has no value; they are often meant to land valuable pieces in return.


Hutson can't and won't be a key cog if he can't shoot. Markov, not a cannonator, still shot way better than Hutson. without the abiity to shoot, the opponents can focus on cutting off the passing lanes.

Quinn Hughes has a below average slapper from the point and manages just fine. It doesn't matter if you are just about the best skater, passer, and skilled d-man in the league. Hutson's projections are in the same vein, so while it would be true in most cases, he likely is part of the exception.

It's kind of like a NBA point guard who can't shoot, yet still ends up being a HOF, because he does everything else at a high level, ie Jason Kidd.
 
Quinn Hughes has a below average slapper from the point and manages just fine. It doesn't matter if you are just about the best skater, passer, and skilled d-man in the league. Hutson's projections are in the same vein, so while it would be true in most cases, he likely is part of the exception.

It's kind of like a NBA point guard who can't shoot, yet still ends up being a HOF, because he does everything else at a high level, ie Jason Kidd.
I get your point but the NBA comparable was kinda trash. NBA point guards prior to the modern era weren't big scorers/shooters. Whether it was Stockton, magic, Kidd like you mentioned, Nash who won MVPs while averaging like 20 a lot of which came from the line. I guess my point is your analysis is right but I don't really like your function equivalency example
 
It just seemed like from what those connected to the Habs org - was that Finland wasn't an option. They didn't like the system, they didn't like the coaching staff, they didn't like his usage on the team, etc.

I guess similar to Michkov, it wasn't an environment they wanted him to develop in. I'm sure if he was with Rogle, the decision might have been different.

I remember a reporter asking Slaf what was the big difference NHL vs Liiga and he said "every team has their own/different playstyle, in Liiga everyone was playing trap and he was explicitly told to not forecheck too deep and wait mid-ice".
 
12 teams did not pick him.... And do the Habs need another pint size forward ? But, I must admit, he is darn good. Buffalo line up fits him well.
Yes, if that player has the potential to be the most offensive player we've had in like 3 decades.

As for the first part - fine... but I never want to see you say anything about us passing on a player again because the same thing happens every time.
 
Benson is also a winger. On draft day, wingers are always the most likely to fall. Those who don't usually offer additional value like strong two way hockey, extra grit or extra size. With Benson you get none of that. He's just a smallish scoring winger. Granted a very talented one but with serious bust potential and not known for anything else. He was always gonna fall. Whether that was the right call or not we'll find out soon enough but when in doubt, teams are always gonna draft Centers and Defenders over Wingers.
What the f***? You probably shouldn't speak like you know facts when you clearly don't.

Benson is literally known as one of, if not the best, defensive forward in the draft. His compete level is second to none.

The only thing that you could mark against Benson is his size and maybe top-end speed. But the speed doesn't really matter because you're not going to find many players with better edge work and decision making.
 
What the f***? You probably shouldn't speak like you know facts when you clearly don't.

Benson is literally known as one of, if not the best, defensive forward in the draft. His compete level is second to none.

The only thing that you could mark against Benson is his size and maybe top-end speed. But the speed doesn't really matter because you're not going to find many players with better edge work and decision making.

I didn't like his game against the puck. His positioning is far from ideal and he also doesn't seem to have the strength to even knock fellow kids off pucks. Kid has lots of upside with the puck on his stick but there are good reasons why he fell in the draft which I actually predicted. Had him even lower at 23 on my list I think. Benson probably would have to become at least a poor man's Patrick Kane to come anywhere near Reinbacher's value. I don't see any other way for him to justify his draft position. Don't see him turning into power- or two way forward. He's not gonna move to Center or get much bigger either so his options are kinda limited.

It's possible he's gonna be this good but I wouldn't say it's likely and there's bust potential as well. Of the top picks, him and Dvorsky are probably the most likely to bust.
 
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Reinbacher very solid pick. Habs building a great defense. But I know what others are saying also. The 100 point guy who can take you out of your seat was on the board.
 
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Benson is also a winger. On draft day, wingers are always the most likely to fall. Those who don't usually offer additional value like strong two way hockey, extra grit or extra size. With Benson you get none of that. He's just a smallish scoring winger. Granted a very talented one but with serious bust potential and not known for anything else. He was always gonna fall. Whether that was the right call or not we'll find out soon enough but when in doubt, teams are always gonna draft Centers and Defenders over Wingers.
Benson is probably the best two-way player in the CHL and undoubtedly the best two-way player in the 2023 draft.
 
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