Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[kovazub94]

What’s the purpose of getting playoff experience, when the kids will play 10 minutes in those games? Quinn is conditioning these players in being to afraid to make mistakes in regular season games against Buffalo, how are they going to act in playoff games they get 10 minutes in? They’re going to act like they have a grenade on their stick and not be contributing very much. The make the playoffs directive at all costs is the wrong choice. Yes winning should be the directive, but do not cut off your nose to spite the face. The kids have to learn to be “the” go to people. Teaching them to be afraid to make mistakes now will not be good for their long term development.

If anything Quinn is conditioning them to make the right plays even in heightened intensity situations so these 10 mins are very invaluable while helping prospects not to get overwhelmed with extra time. If they can succeed making the right plays - their ice time will go up. Again, look at Kakko when he’s on his game and going. How many minutes he EARNED for himself?

 

[kovazub94]

In the span of time he's talking about, the Rangers are 12th in the league in conversion % on the PP.

That being said, sticking with that top PP unit with no tweaks at all is my second biggest problem with Quinn this season, only preceded by his sticking with KZB, which is once again not working.

Exactly my biggest problems too but I’d say it’s more about what’s available as an alternative.

 

[kovazub94]

Lol, I'm sure surrendering your own judgment and brown-nosing people in charge works well for you

Thank you, @Pawnee Rangers (pressing the button).

 

[True Blue]

Has the play of Chytil and Kaapo earned OT ice time there? How do you suppose Kravtsov earns a lineup spot?...

Kakko ledall players at ES ice time. Chiytil has been far from outplaying anyone ahead of him.

 

[True Blue]

We’re still going to use Buch ? Hilarious.

Well they both play the same position, so yeah.

And who developed Buch? AV? His KHL coach?

 

[kovazub94]

We’re still going to use Buch ? Hilarious.

Just to be clear (because I can’t believe what I’m reading), you are saying that Quinn was not instrumental, integral part in Buchnevich development?

PS Don’t respond. I just saw your reply in another thread. The quality of your response is apparent. Goodbye.

 

[Off Sides]

Kakko ledall players at ES ice time. Chiytil has been far from outplaying anyone ahead of him.

Chytil has not outplayed Rooney?

 

[True Blue]

Chytil has not outplayed Rooney?

They are two different players snd serve two different roles. No, Chytil should not be killing penalties instead of Rooney. What specific situation are you referring to where Rooney got preferential ice time? Chytils line was poor in their own end. What better way to have your ice time shortened?

 

[Off Sides]

They are two different players snd serve two different roles. No, Chytil should not be killing penalties instead of Rooney. What specific situation are you referring to where Rooney got preferential ice time? Chytils line was poor in their own end. What better way to have your ice time shortened?

Even ice time last game

Chytil 9:52
Rooney 10:31

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Instead of benching Lafreniere or in addition? Could you please play-out lines if Quinn did as you recommended? I’m honestly interested in the lines that would be missing two top-9 LWs.

That’s besides the fact that by definition vets have longer leash than a teenage rookie and even as bad as Kreider was last night, he was still better than Lafreniere.

Kreider was worse. Softest game I’ve seen him play all year and that’s before getting to the blown empty netter.

but no, I wasn’t saying laf over Kreider. I would have been okay with PDG over Kreider too. At least PDG was willing to physically engage. If your objective is to win, then how many games/years you have in the league shouldn’t matter. Who ever your best players are on any given night should play. Kreider was ass from start to finish.

 

[kovazub94]

Kreider was worse. Softest game I’ve seen him play all year and that’s before getting to the blown empty netter.

but no, I wasn’t saying laf over Kreider. I would have been okay with PDG over Kreider too. At least PDG was willing to physically engage. If your objective is to win, then how many games/years you have in the league shouldn’t matter. Who ever your best players are on any given night should play. Kreider was ass from start to finish.

Seriously, you’d put PDG over Kreider? Kreider wasn’t good last night it’s been a couple of games in the row like this but during the same time PDG has been much worse and should be the first in line to sit.

 

[will1066]

Kreider was worse. Softest game I’ve seen him play all year and that’s before getting to the blown empty netter.

but no, I wasn’t saying laf over Kreider. I would have been okay with PDG over Kreider too. At least PDG was willing to physically engage. If your objective is to win, then how many games/years you have in the league shouldn’t matter. Who ever your best players are on any given night should play. Kreider was ass from start to finish.

I love that you've homed in on a new target. Haha

GoAwayKreider?

 

[haveandare]

I know you mean more in general but last night? The Rangers (more like PP1) were generating at least 2-3 dangerous shots in each of four PP opportunities they had. That’s 10 high danger chances on which they converted zero. You know they should’ve had at least one goal there if simply going by the league’s or the team’s average.

Its not necessarily the numbers on paper. Watching it, they wheel around the perimeter endlessly, which is fine if there’s some strategy to it, but there’s not that I can see.

Okay, you wheel around and you keep the pk unit out for a minute and a half, but to what ends? When it gets to that point they just keep wheeling around waiting for a perfect pass which often doesn’t materialize.

If you have two elite shooters, two elite passers and one of the better net front players in the league, there’s got to be a more effective strategy available to make use of that and generate more than 2 or 3 good chances. The team as a whole isn’t great yet but there’s no reason they can’t have an elite PP with the guys they have available - the strategy just isn’t there to make it happen and nothing seems to change over the course of months now.

 

[Off Sides]

Seems like Quinn wants to get Blackwell ice time, and I am fine with that, yet he should also want to get Chytil ice time. So stick them together.

Gauthier I think is also trying to find his way and needs some ice time yet him with Rooney apparently would also get him some of that., Rooney usually plays a little less 5on5 than Chytil, last night withstanding.

Put Lafreniere with either line on LW and he by default would get some ice time too. Leaves Howden, Kravtsov, Giuseppe to fill the last roster spot, and we all know it will be Howden.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I love that you've homed in on a new target. Haha

GoAwayKreider?

Nah he’s not even close to that level. He’s done more to earn his current deal already than Staal did to earn the one he’s on now.

I’m fine with him when the goal scoring dries up but he still does everything else in his game well. He’s gone back to early season mode, that player is awful and shouldn’t be getting significant minutes. It was next level bad yesterday.

this is like when Quinn was forcing minutes down Zibanejad’s throat when he clearly was compromised. It helps no one.

 

[kovazub94]

Its not necessarily the numbers on paper. Watching it, they wheel around the perimeter endlessly, which is fine if there’s some strategy to it, but there’s not that I can see.

Okay, you wheel around and you keep the pk unit out for a minute and a half, but to what ends? When it gets to that point they just keep wheeling around waiting for a perfect pass which often doesn’t materialize.

If you have two elite shooters, two elite passers and one of the better net front players in the league, there’s got to be a more effective strategy available to make use of that and generate more than 2 or 3 good chances. The team as a whole isn’t great yet but there’s no reason they can’t have an elite PP with the guys they have available - the strategy just isn’t there to make it happen and nothing seems to change over the course of months now.

The numbers above are not from papers - my eyes and I did see the puck control that resulted in quite a few chances. The do need to shoot more, no doubt, but I don’t think there are structural issues with our PP1.

 

[haveandare]

1) he didn't lead forwards at ES TOI; He had roughly the same amount as Panarin and Strome, his linemates. Our bar is so low that we have to celebrate when Quinn does make the obvious decision. This isn't some impressive thing.. Our best forward played.... until he didn't...
2) He got benched late game when he's been the best defensive forward all year
3) was not given an opportunity 3v3
4) extremely limited PP time

Lafreniere allegedly had 1 shift in the 3rd. No PP time. No 3v3 time.

Quinn has been so bad over the past year, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. Our PP is bottom tier btw...

Who led forwards in ES toi? Of course linemates are close to each other, the point is he got as much toi as possible without being on PP1, which I do agree he should be on.

All of PP2 has limited time because the first unit is insanely effective at holding the zone. I’m not sure what the coach can do or should do to purposely make them less effective at that, but Kakko should be on PP1. Having said that, Strome is putting up crazy production and not having a specific guy on the first unit isn’t some unusual coaching sin, it’s the kind of stuff everyone has with every coach ever.

Laf was invisible. Kakko has been good, he gets minutes. Miller has been good, he gets minutes. Maybe Laf should move his feet and play at least as well as the journeymen grinders. I suspect if he did that, he’d also see more minutes.

He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt but he doesn’t deserve to have every minuscule decision and routine difference of opinion between fan and coach looked at through the lens of him being totally incompetent and then blown up to a catastrophic problem, either.

 

[SA16]

The Rangers have the number 12 ranked PP over the last month at 21.1%. Over the last two weeks we have the number 2 ranked PP at 28.1%. I'm a bit confused about why we are constantly complaining about the PP usage.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Seriously, you’d put PDG over Kreider? Kreider wasn’t good last night it’s been a couple of games in the row like this but during the same time PDG has been much worse and should be the first in line to sit.

oh in last nights game? 1000000% Kreiders effort was so embarrassingly bad. If he showed up to a pick up game like that I would have sent him Home and given him his money back.

that entire line has been pretty awful of late. Buch struggled too but he was at least trying, too much at certain points. Rough patches are a part of anyone’s game, but no one should be overlooked or rewarded for a lack of effort.

 

[haveandare]

The numbers above are not from papers - my eyes and I did see the puck control that resulted in quite a few chances. The do need to shoot more, no doubt, but I don’t think there are structural issues with our PP1.

I mean 2-3 chances per PP looks good in a vacuum. Seeing it happen when two elite shooters, two elite passers, and a top net front guy in the league have 1:45 of uninterrupted zone time isn’t as good. That’s an ideal set up for a top tier PP, but this one doesn’t perform that way.

 

[kovazub94]

I mean 2-3 chances per PP looks good in a vacuum. Seeing it happen when two elite shooters, two elite passers, and a top net front guy in the league have 1:45 of uninterrupted zone time isn’t as good. That’s an ideal set up for a top tier PP, but this one doesn’t perform that way.

Why vacuum? IMO it doesn’t matter if it takes 30 sec or 1.5 min to score a goal so I will take 2-3 solid chances per PP as a unit of measurement. Especially in the Rangers particular case, our PP2 doesn’t deserve arguments for more ice time.

 

[RGY]

The Rangers have the number 12 ranked PP over the last month at 21.1%. Over the last two weeks we have the number 2 ranked PP at 28.1%. I'm a bit confused about why we are constantly complaining about the PP usage.

Who did they play again over the last month? How about last 2 weeks? Can you remind us who those teams were....

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Who did they play again over the last month? How about last 2 weeks? Can you remind us who those teams were....

Pitsburgh Boston washington philly new jersey and Buffalo....the same teams we play allllllllllll year.

 

[kovazub94]

oh in last nights game? 1000000% Kreiders effort was so embarrassingly bad. If he showed up to a pick up game like that I would have sent him Home and given him his money back.

that entire line has been pretty awful of late. Buch struggled too but he was at least trying, too much at certain points. Rough patches are a part of anyone’s game, but no one should be overlooked or rewarded for a lack of effort.

It wasn’t about Kreider. If you call his game bad I don’t understand how PDG is an alternative - he’s been so much worse AINEC.

 

[aufheben]

The Rangers have the number 12 ranked PP over the last month at 21.1%. Over the last two weeks we have the number 2 ranked PP at 28.1%. I'm a bit confused about why we are constantly complaining about the PP usage.

It’s absurd. The season has started to normalize for the Rangers over the last couple weeks, but some things just can’t be let go for whatever reason.