haveandare
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I don't really want to see Quinn back next year, but if absolutely nothing else, we need someone to run the PP way, way better than this. It's infuriating how ineffective it is with so much talent.
Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V
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It’s truly because they aren’t putting players in the right spots. They are also over relying on PP1. Other teams leave strome wide open every time because he’s not going to do shit
I like DQ about as much as I like a coach that I do not like as much as a coach that I'm not fond of as good so much coach. I literally couldn't articulate this any clearer, that's how much I like him. Good coach, one of the best
haveandare
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PP1 just needs to be more assertive snd shift positions more. They’re so passive waiting for the absolute perfect shot, and because they’re so good at keeping possession, they eat up 1:50 without doing anything half the time. Yeah, they need a leftie on that right side but there’s bigger and weirder issues than that also
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Greg Brown and David Oliver run the powerplay, and I still can't figure out why they've shifted the paradigm so much after they were one of the better powerplay teams in the league last season. Yes, Tony played a big part of it, but Fox has also been excellent in that role despite having stylistic differences. I was fine trying to push along with the 4RHS/1LHD (4F/1D) look that we had going last season, but I want to see it changed now. The top unit definitely generates a ton of possession with the puck, but a lot of it is just cycling off outside switches and moving the puck back and forth between the left circle and the point. The unit isn't nearly as dangerous when 1/3 of the ice isn't a threat to shoot the puck. I've written about wanting to see them use a similar setup to Toronto, but I'm going to throw a new look out there since they're refusing to use Kreider in his typical net-front role. This look is basically just copying how the Caps run their powerplay (underscored line is the net in this schematic):
Kakko
Panarin-Mika-Buch
Fox
This look still lets them move the puck high-to-low, but it gives them another option with Kakko at the netmouth. Strome and Kakko can play the Backstrom and Kuznetsov roles by dishing the puck between Mika (Oshie) in the bumper and Fox (Carlson) at the point. Panarin is obviously the one-timer threat in the Ovi spot.
Edit: whatever, the formatting is f***ed and I'm too lazy to fix it. TL;DR: Kakko and Buch are the two LHS on the right side, Mika in the bumper, Panarin left circle, and Fox at the point.
Kakko
Panarin-Mika-Buch
Fox
This look still lets them move the puck high-to-low, but it gives them another option with Kakko at the netmouth. Strome and Kakko can play the Backstrom and Kuznetsov roles by dishing the puck between Mika (Oshie) in the bumper and Fox (Carlson) at the point. Panarin is obviously the one-timer threat in the Ovi spot.
Edit: whatever, the formatting is f***ed and I'm too lazy to fix it. TL;DR: Kakko and Buch are the two LHS on the right side, Mika in the bumper, Panarin left circle, and Fox at the point.
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The lack of changes to the PP is truly mystifying. I don’t really know what else to say.
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Indeed. The organization is methodically blowing it up from the inside. That’s an interesting take.
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3.17 GF/G (11th)
2.66 GA/G (12th)
If Panarin and Shesterkin didn’t miss games they’d be top-10 in both, possibly even top-5.
2.66 GA/G (12th)
If Panarin and Shesterkin didn’t miss games they’d be top-10 in both, possibly even top-5.
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They miss Tony, but not on the PP1, they miss having two PPQBs. When you consider that, plus Zibanejad’s insane shooting % last year, where we’re at right now seems pretty...realistic?
Let’s be real though, is a 18.1 PP% really what’s holding this team back? Last year it was 22.91 PP%. Ok, so we’d have 29 PPG instead of 23 PPG.
1 extra goal for every 6 games, lol.
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The above chart is a function of having the most PP opportunities in the entire league. Per 60 doesn’t make a lot of sense in the context of special teams since all teams play different aggregate minutes each game. On a conversion % basis they are a bottom 10 pp in the NHL.
You point on Panarin and Mika is well taken. But I don’t see how a PP ranked this low in aggregate is above reproach for any changes.
You could do the one thing everyone has suggested and move the #41 to the second PP (not OFF the PP), and add a LH shot, be it Buch, Kakko, etc.
It's not because X player isn't good or doesn't deserve to be there or anything aside from... we could really use a LH shot in that spot and there's no reason not to TRY it. It's not like you can't put it back together. There's no consequence of putting Buch there for the next 4 PPs and seeing what happens. If the results are the same old, same old you can just switch it back.
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To be fair, I don't think that’s an insignificant amount of goals. Plus, it’s been shown that the hallmark of a good playoff team is having good special teams results. We’ve already nailed down the PK side of it this season, but I still would like to see our powerplay be a bit more dangerous than it is now. It’s very one-sided and is heavily driven through the left side of the ice. I think switching to the type of setup I mentioned before would help open up more space in the slot for Mika and prevent teams from cheating towards Panarin's side of the ice. Plus, it also gets Kakko on the powerplay like everyone has been screeching for
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I think that has very little to do with letting anyone off the hook.
Any other front office and any other coach in this situation, would do absolutely no different.
From what I see, when on the PP Fox is afflicted with everyone else who is playing pass the puck around the perimeter. DeAngelo, while certainly would pass, did not allow for opportunities to be missed by not shooting it. That is largely what is missing. The PP seems to be the same. What is missing is anyone that jumps at the chance to shoot when an opportunity presents itself like DeAngelo did. They would rather pass and wait for a much prettier play.
I can think of several coaches who wouldn't have let Kreider see the ice in the 3rd.
Who was going to sit him in a game like last night, in a playoff race for a 19 year old that has not really been looking fantastic?
WHo said anything about replacing him with the 19 year old?
he could have slid Chytil into that spot, Double shifted Panarin/Kakko or any of the 4th liners.
You can't preach "we're trying to win games" while only benching only the young players. Vets who aren't performing should be benched too if winning is your objective.
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What’s the purpose of getting playoff experience, when the kids will play 10 minutes in those games? Quinn is conditioning these players in being to afraid to make mistakes in regular season games against Buffalo, how are they going to act in playoff games they get 10 minutes in? They’re going to act like they have a grenade on their stick and not be contributing very much. The make the playoffs directive at all costs is the wrong choice. Yes winning should be the directive, but do not cut off your nose to spite the face. The kids have to learn to be “the” go to people. Teaching them to be afraid to make mistakes now will not be good for their long term development.
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In the span of time he's talking about, the Rangers are 12th in the league in conversion % on the PP.
That being said, sticking with that top PP unit with no tweaks at all is my second biggest problem with Quinn this season, only preceded by his sticking with KZB, which is once again not working.
Yeah, pretty much a load of bull crap. Just look at how afraid Kakko is to make a play. And Buchnevich is utterly terrified.
Double shifted Kakko by playing him on his offside? Had Chytil ever played LW?
Was Kreider great? No. Do coaches let some players have longer leashes than others? Yes. Quinn is not unique to this.
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