And I think part of it is goaltending and part of it is luck. Even Igor could have been more clutch this season. He's young, I think that's part of it.
Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V
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And I think part of it is goaltending and part of it is luck. Even Igor could have been more clutch this season. He's young, I think that's part of it.
will1066
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Before the 3rd period outburst, the 4th line seemed like the only one that was able to get in on the forecheck from time to time.
Tawnos
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The teams have been more of a problem than the goalies. His Nashville teams overachieved in the regular season, but then ran into teams with true talent and lost. His Washington teams just straight choked in his first 3 years there. His Islanders team in the first year was just Nashville redux. Last year was the RTP, with the special circumstance that comes with that... and they got further, but still lost to a team with real talent.
Thats really the Philly effect though. We racked up a GD of +14 over 2 games with them, outside of that we're at a +4 which is okay.
But yeah, they're 7-10-4 in games decided by 2 or less. 21 of 35 GP. If you flip the W and L they're in playoff position today with a decent chance of actually getting in even with Boston's 3 games in hand.
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Yeah I thought his relative defensive numbers were awful and didn’t bother to check to see I had it was completely backwards.
Not that it matters much to the point. Coaches (Trotz, Quinn, whoever) don’t bench star players for being bad defensively or not executing their systems perfectly.
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If Panarin had gone to the Islanders instead of coming to the Rangers, do you think they would have won the cup last year?
Tawnos
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It’s possible. A little hard to say, because as I said, the Caps choked with him for 3 years.
SA16
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if you’re going to exclude our two best wins you should rightfully also exclude our two worse losses
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From what I recall Caps were the better team but lost the goaltending duel to Pens twice.
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Quinn needs to read the game well. Not, and never have I said he was bad, yet when Kakko on that line are showing they are involved in a good way, leave them alone. In some other situations I think he gets it. I am not against Blackwell or whomever being sent to the upper lines at times, but that was a poor read of the situation.
But why shouldn't we count the Philly games? They're a team in the NHL, hell a team that's ahead of us in the standings, not like it was Buffalo. Should we take away Washington 6-0 win against the Sabres or the 4-0 win against the Devils? Both worse teams than the Flyers. Notice despite everything, we were the only team able to beat Philly like that, why isn't that a credit to the Rangers?
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brings up a couple things.
1)we miss ADA, we need at least one more PMD. Hopefully KAM develops further off of his great rookie year and Lundkvist does what he does. Should improve, if the structure allows it
2)our system is predicated on this. Chip/bang up because there's no support, (Fox being the godtier outlier )
this in turn gets us pinned deep, gives up possesion and/or affects our transition.
@Machinehead thanks for that site
Well no it counts. It's just artificially propping up the GD to look better than it actually is. Not everyone has gotten to beef up their stats against the Flyers of late (Buffalo of all teams, just hung 6 on them.)
Swiinnnnggg and a miss.
So are we taking away Washington's 6-0 win against the Sabres and 4-0 win against the Devils? Both teams with worse records than the Flyers? One of those teams that's on one of the worst losing streaks of all time? Also, how many teams that played the Flyers beat them by 9? Why don't we get credit for that?
If you want to, sure go ahead and do that.
btw, Philly has given up more goals than both of those teams. 20+ more than NJ has.
Again I’m not saying that those goals don’t count, all I’m saying is that our GD should be taken with a grain of salt. It doesn’t matter in the long run because kicking the shit out of Philly twice only gave us 4 points in the standings.
Who cares how many goals Philly gave up, both those teams have a worse goal differential. And obviously with a high GD and a poor record your blowout to close loss ratio will be high. No shit, you don't magically have a .500 record with a good GD. The point is that the GD indicates that the Rangers are a better team than their record. Yes, beating a team 17-3 that would be either in playoff position or 1 point out of playoff position in the West and Central in back to back games is a positive indicator. No shit it was only 2 games. If we won 14 games by 1 goal instead of 2 totaling 14 goals we'd be the best team in the league.
I just don't like discrediting a team that while not great has clearly played better than their record because they dared to beat a team decisively twice. They're an inconsistent team that doesn't know how to win close games. I'm just tired of reading how terrible they are on the main boards when they'd be close to playoff position in two of the three divisions and have a better goal differential than many playoff teams.
SA16
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All about winning? Doesn't he know his job here is to develop the prospects? I thought he was supposed to be a developmental coach but here he is sacrificing the organizations future for short term wins in a year the team isn't going to win anyway. How is Laf supposed to get better playing 8 minutes/game? How is Kakko supposed to get better if he tells him to just stand in front of the net and doesn't let him play in OT? How are these kids supposed to gain confidence when he plays PP1 with Fox Panarin Zibanejad Strome and Kreider the whole time?
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Quinn is trying to ruin the kids career like Haemophilia ruined his
If it’s all about winning he would have benched Kreider in the 3rd.
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Turns out he sat like this for 3 hours. Poor kid.
haveandare
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Kakko doesn't "stand in front of the net" I have no idea where this weird narrative came from. And Kakko led all forwards in even strength time. Laf wasn't good - not playing him much in a game he doesn't play well in isn't "sacrificing the organizations future" that's so dramatic.
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