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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

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MetalJaws said:
I think Quinn is gone at seasons end. I'm not even a Quinn hater but he lost me on a few things. This organization should look at this season as a complete and utter failure. This is a playoff team and at the very least a team that should be right at the bubble to the bitter end.

- Goalie rotation nonsense
- Ice time allocation
- Atrocious Power Play
- Game Preparation
- Underachieving

The New York Rangers Brass should absolutely consider this season a failure. I'm not sure they're completely out of it yet. April brings a very winnable schedule but regardless of what they manage to pull off Quinn is looking more and more like he is NOT the guy. I get it's probably difficult to fire a guy in this climate mid season. I'd do it early off season so you can get a coach in there who's won and is prepared to win again.
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Quinn was never going to be THE man. Some of the items you list, seem a bit off. There is no goalie rotation. What rotation? If you are going to blast him for the PP, then you should be praising him for the PK. The team was going to be a bubble team. And guess what? They are a bubble team. As such, am not sure where they are under achieving.

Want to discuss ice time allocation and usage? Sure. Lack of preparation? Sure. But he has been given a job to do. And he is largely doing it. We have been complaining about coaches since Keenan. So to think that you will not complain about the next one, is not realistic.

Is Quinn the man for the long haul? No. But missing the playoffs is not what will determine his fate. I think that he starts next year behind the bench.
 
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True Blue said:
Quinn was never going to be THE man. Some of the items you list, seem a bit off. There is no goalie rotation. What rotation? If you are going to blast him for the PP, then you should be praising him for the PK. The team was going to be a bubble team. And guess what? They are a bubble team. As such, am not sure where they are under achieving.

Want to discuss ice time allocation and usage? Sure. Lack of preparation? Sure. But he has been given a job to do. And he is largely doing it. We have been complaining about coaches since Keenan. So to think that you will not complain about the next one, is not realistic.

Is Quinn the man for the long haul? No. But missing the playoffs is not what will determine his fate. I think that he starts next year behind the bench.
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I feel like to further address this post will put us back in a very familiar revolving door.
 
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Torts is a guy you want when you have a group in their Cup window or very close to it. Those first 3-4 years with him and a new team usually go very well until he wears his welcome out. We got him last time at a very good time.

Torts isn't really on my list as a coach I want to develop my young talent.
 
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a little unbiased, outsiders perspective:

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CupSeeker said:
drags the 4th line out there early; bad penalty. Chasing the game. Why the rush do get the 4th line out there?
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After last night's win? Really? They controlled the third.

First we complain about riding top lines. Now we complain about using other lines?

This thread has devolved into what once upon a time may have been a good way to discuss the good and the bad, to simply a dumpster fire of trolls paradise.
 
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True Blue said:
After last night's win? Really? They controlled the third.

First we complain about riding top lines. Now we complain about using other lines?

This thread has devolved into what once upon a time may have been a good way to discuss the good and the bad, to simply a dumpster fire of trolls paradise.
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I might be wrong but it seemed like he matched the 4th line against Ovechkin for most of the 3rd. Probably to free up the Zib and Strome lines to play more offense. Scored 4 in the period. Good coaching? Bad coaching? I don't know anymore.
 
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SickNice said:
TB - You're a pragmatic fan and I generally agree with your takes. What would you do coaching wise at the end of the year? What would you want to see to keep him, move on, etc.?
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My view? Unless the wheels completely come off the bus (team quits on him, young players not progressing at all), I would bring him back to start the next year. On a scale of 1-10 where 10 is the strongest like possible, I honestly probably have him at 6.5 right now.

Another factor that is weighing in is that right now, I do not see a coach available that I would want to insert behind the bench. Ultimately, I believe, that whomever Quinn's replacement would be, is currently not available.

There are certainly things that can and should be laid at his feet. And those can and should be discussed. But all in all, I think that he is currently doing the job that he was hired to do. And as long as he does that, the urge to move on just for the sake of moving on is just not there.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
I might be wrong but it seemed like he matched the 4th line against Ovechkin for most of the 3rd. Probably to free up the Zib and Strome lines to play more offense. Scored 4 in the period. Good coaching? Bad coaching? I don't know anymore.
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Somewhat different circumstances but this move backfired in the previous loss when the Rangers were taking 1:0 lead into the 3rd and lost. The game situation last night was different, goalie was different and the worth line didn't have Lemieux and Howden, so there's that too.

This should go in "Quinn doesn't know how to make in-game situational adjustments" file.
 
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True Blue said:
Bad coaching is when Quinn does it. Good coaching is when Trotz does it.
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Trotz has earned it by proving he's an excellent coach who can adapt to his team. Its not like he had the Caps playing like the Islanders. Didn't stifle Ovechkin's scoring to force him to focus on defense (Barzal excuse). He rides the bottom line with the Isles because they have a great one, which was a strength of theirs even before Trotz showed up (during Martin's first stint) and they lack high end players in the top 6.

Quinn hasn't proven himself to be good at anything really, besides talking to the media
 
SickNice said:
TB - You're a pragmatic fan and I generally agree with your takes. What would you do coaching wise at the end of the year? What would you want to see to keep him, move on, etc.?
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Not speaking for TB, but I don't know where the team will be at the end of the season. So, speaking for myself, I can't answer this question.
 
kovazub94 said:
Somewhat different circumstances but this move backfired in the previous loss when the Rangers were taking 1:0 lead into the 3rd and lost. The game situation last night was different, goalie was different and the worth line didn't have Lemieux and Howden, so there's that too.

This should go in "Quinn doesn't know how to make in-game situational adjustments" file.
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I think last night was more about freeing up Zib and Strome instead of having them try and defend Ovechkin. It worked, at least for one night. But yeah, he has no system and doesn't make adjustments according to most. And he ruined Kakko.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
I think last night was more about freeing up Zib and Strome instead of having them try and defend Ovechkin. It worked, at least for one night. But yeah, he has no system and doesn't make adjustments according to most. And he ruined Kakko.
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how did he ruin Kakko? Kakko has improved so much year over year. He is quickly becoming one of the best defensive forwards on the tram, and now is learning how to be more assertive offensively and was thus rewarded with more ice time and better linemates. His production will continue to increase as his thinking quickens.

if u cant see the massive improvement with him this year. Thats your own fault.

quinn actually made him into a two way forward.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
Trotz has earned it by proving he's an excellent coach who can adapt to his team.
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What does that have to do with playing your 4th line against another team's top line?
Didn't stifle Ovechkin's scoring to force him to focus on defense (Barzal excuse).
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If you think that Barzal plays for one second outside of Trotz's system, well time to put down the crack pipe and rejoin the rest of us on planet Earth. Same went for Ovechkin.

Have you seen poor Fox? So stifled. Same goes for poor Kakko and poor Buchnevich. Just look at how much Panarin's creativity got washed down the drain.
He rides the bottom line with the Isles because they have a great one, which was a strength of theirs even before Trotz showed up (during Martin's first stint) and they lack high end players in the top 6.
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Right. Matching the 4th line against top players is only correct when Trotz does it. Very bad when Quinn does it?
Quinn hasn't proven himself to be good at anything really, besides talking to the media
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The youngest team in the league overachieved last year. The youngest team in the league again this year (even younger than last year) has had the DeAngelo fiasco, their best player (Panarin) miss 10 games, received garbage goaltending in the beginning of the year, then needed their third string goalie to win games while their top goalie also missed 10 games, had their top line center be a face on a milk carton for the first 20 or so games, had their (at the time) best playing center contract COVID AND break his hand at the same time, then had the entire coaching staff miss 5 games for Covid........AND this all happened in the first 35 games. That this team is still even remotely in the race is pretty much like extracting blood from a stone. So yeah, I would say that Quinn has managed to accomplish a thing or two.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
Trotz has earned it by proving he's an excellent coach who can adapt to his team. Its not like he had the Caps playing like the Islanders. Didn't stifle Ovechkin's scoring to force him to focus on defense (Barzal excuse). He rides the bottom line with the Isles because they have a great one, which was a strength of theirs even before Trotz showed up (during Martin's first stint) and they lack high end players in the top 6.

Quinn hasn't proven himself to be good at anything really, besides talking to the media
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You're giving Trotz credit for things he inherited? The fourth line of the Isles and Ovi—who was forced to play defense by Dale Hunter...
 
Ruggs225 said:
how did he ruin Kakko? Kakko has improved so much year over year. He is quickly becoming one of the best defensive forwards on the tram, and now is learning how to be more assertive offensively and was thus rewarded with more ice time and better linemates. His production will continue to increase as his thinking quickens.

if u cant see the massive improvement with him this year. Thats your own fault.

quinn actually made him into a two way forward.
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Not speaking for Pawnee, but that was tongue in cheek, I believe.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
You're giving Trotz credit for things he inherited? The fourth line of the Isles and Ovi—who was forced to play defense by Dale Hunter...
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I'm giving him credit for playing to his team's strengths, like a good coach does. Putting players in positions to succeed. Oliver Wahlstrom sucked in the NCAA, sucked in the AHL (putting up sub-Lias numbers) but succeeds in the NHL?

People think of Trotz as a defensive coach because he had no elite forwards in Nashville and Long Island. But he's not strictly that.
 
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