Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[RGY]

Team is 4-1 with Knoblauch behind the bench. Knoblauch’s personality, demeanor, and voice behind the bench and on the ice during practices. If y’all think he is just blowing his whistle and not saying a peep out there, having an influence on this team different than what Quinn has had you are all crazy. LOL.

I said it for so long, you cannot fire 23 players, you can fire one coach. And I wouldnt want to fire the players anyway because we do have a lot of talent and bright spots. They needed a new voice and perspective. So while Quinn may be determining the line combinations, the team is responding with someone else in front of them.

 

[duhmetreE]

Team is 4-1 with Knoblauch behind the bench. Knoblauch’s personality, demeanor, and voice behind the bench and on the ice during practices. If y’all think he is just blowing his whistle and not saying a peep out there, having an influence on this team different than what Quinn has had you are all crazy. LOL.

I said it for so long, you cannot fire 23 players, you can fire one coach. And I wouldnt want to fire the players anyway because we do have a lot of talent and bright spots. They needed a new voice and perspective. So while Quinn may be determining the line combinations, the team is responding with someone else in front of them.

I dont think it's Knoblauch. They are probably playing a simplified version of the system, the one we've seen previously imo Adding too many complexities may be counterproductive. It's the equivalent to 'optimizing code' for a computer program.

Also, asking why isn't Hartford winning or producing. is kind of lame, considering the talent discrepancy. The system is still the same, we just happen to have all-world talents...

 

[effen]

I don't think a single poster on this board really likes David Quinn. The people who really don't like him (which outnumber those who are even ambivalent!) have made caricatures in their mind to tilt windmills at that don't exist.

Knoblauch is the beneficiary of some extreme positive variance in a 5 game sample using all DQ's tools and blueprints. It's not his voice and demeanor. That's ludicrous.

 

[True Blue]

Also, asking why isn't Hartford winning or producing. is kind of lame, considering the talent discrepancy. The system is still the same, we just happen to have all-world talents...

So asking why there a lack of success in Hartford is disingenuous because of talent discrepancy but when omitting 1) piss poor goalie play at beginning of year 2) the starting goalie missing 10 games 3) Panarin missing 10 games 4) Mika’s play for 2/3 of the season 5) injuries when discussing ultimate success of the season is not?

 

[kovazub94]

I don't think a single poster on this board really likes David Quinn. The people who really don't like him (which outnumber those who are even ambivalent!) have made caricatures in their mind to tilt windmills at that don't exist.

Knoblauch is the beneficiary of some extreme positive variance in a 5 game sample using all DQ's tools and blueprints. It's not his voice and demeanor. That's ludicrous.

I like what become of Zibanejad, Panarin, Strome, Buchnevich, Fox, Lindgren. I like how Chytil and Kakko are trending. Can’t think about anyone who digressed during the last 2 1/2 seasons (performance in the NHL under Quinn is worse than under another coach at the same level).

 

[RGY]

I don't think a single poster on this board really likes David Quinn. The people who really don't like him (which outnumber those who are even ambivalent!) have made caricatures in their mind to tilt windmills at that don't exist.

Knoblauch is the beneficiary of some extreme positive variance in a 5 game sample using all DQ's tools and blueprints. It's not his voice and demeanor. That's ludicrous.

Yep, they just woke up one day and started feeling more comfortable and confident... nothing could have possibly influenced that. And that just happened to be the same day DQ and the bums like Brown and Oliver were not around the team. Its just a coincidence right? Forget what Mika has said about things being more simplified, essentially sounding like things were being made too complex prior to this change in who has behind the bench. Forget all that. Its just happenstance, right?

Give me a break.

This team was not responding to DQ. They were not. They have constantly come out sluggish and lethargic. They looked lost.

And whether you want to believe Knoblauch is some “magician” or not, thats not even the point. The point is this group just needed new. Period. They needed to get away from DQ and needed a new voice. Presence. Whomever wasn’t DQ would be a net positive change.

4-1 record.

 

[Tawnos]

Yep, they just woke up one day and started feeling more comfortable and confident... nothing could have possibly influenced that. And that just happened to be the same day DQ and the bums like Brown and Oliver were not around the team. Its just a coincidence right? Forget what Mika has said about things being more simplified, essentially sounding like things were being made too complex prior to this change in who has behind the bench. Forget all that. Its just happenstance, right?

Give me a break.

This team was not responding to DQ. They were not. They have constantly come out sluggish and lethargic. They looked lost.

And whether you want to believe Knoblauch is some “magician” or not, thats not even the point. The point is this group just needed new. Period. They needed to get away from DQ and needed a new voice. Presence. Whomever wasn’t DQ would be a net positive change.

4-1 record.

You have a super short memory there. They didn’t look lost when winning 6 out of 8 while missing key players. They didn’t look lost when, responding to a 4-0 loss to the Bruins for a 3rd straight loss, they put up a 4-0 win against the Bruins the very next game, only 2 games before the staff went on Covid protocol.

The team has spent some of the season being mentally fragile. Early goals against or late period goals against or two-three quick goals against have completely taken the team out of their game too many times. I do think Quinn bears some responsibility for that. Why can’t he call a timeout to settle his team down after two quick goals? Why can’t he put them back on track in the locker room between periods?

The truth about all of this is that we don’t really know whether this is a change away from Quinn or not. If he comes back and their game goes in the tank *and stays there* then it might turn out that you were right. It also might cost him his job. My instinct is to say no, the timing really is coincidental because there are so many other factors which weren’t in the coach’s control, which have been mentioned.

In this little experiment, there is no control. We won’t have that until Quinn is back and we have some time. Let’s see what happens.

 

[duhmetreE]

So asking why there a lack of success in Hartford is disingenuous because of talent discrepancy but when omitting 1) piss poor goalie play at beginning of year 2) the starting goalie missing 10 games 3) Panarin missing 10 games 4) Mika’s play for 2/3 of the season 5) injuries when discussing ultimate success of the season is not?

Yes. As in it's not a 1:1 comparison.

You can make excuses for a team all day long. Excuses are for losers. The simple of it, well coached teams do not look the way we've looked, from Covid Cup up to 3/17. It's the unfortunate truth. Sorry.

All deficiencies are magnified when we're losing/under performing.

 

[Edge]

There’s also an issue where people are so hyper focused on everything being Quinn’s fault that they’ll make arguments that don’t hold up, and if you challenge those arguments you’re labeled as loving Quinn. A lot of the time it appears I’m defending him I’m really just questioning or taking issue with a silly argument

Ditto.

 

[True Blue]

Yes. As in it's not a 1:1 comparison.

You can make excuses for a team all day long. Excuses are for losers. The simple of it, well coached teams do not look the way we've looked, from Covid Cup up to 3/17. It's the unfortunate truth. Sorry.

All deficiencies are magnified when we're losing/under performing.

You are right. A 5 game sample under a coach who can’t get an AHL team to .500 is the best thing to point to.

 

[True Blue]

Fire Knoblauch. Clearly he is responsible for the awful start.

 

[aufheben]

Edit: maybe everyone’s internet is down.

 

[True Blue]

Edit: maybe everyone’s internet is down

It’s not Knoblauch’a fault. He was only doing what Quinn instructed him. Only when the team won was when he was free lancing.

 

[NYR]

The difference IS Zibanejad.

He was the difference last year as well.

What concerns me with this line of thinking is that we have two games in which the Flyers goalies haven’t been able to stop more than 65 percent of the shots they face, and Zibanejad is scoring on 30 percent of the shots he takes.

When that doesn’t persist, and it won’t, there’s going to be this perception from some people that something is dramatically different. And the reality is that there isn’t.

Because you can’t coach to one guy scoring 70 percent of the points or the other team giving up goals on 35 percent of the shots they face.

That’s not a strategy shift, nor is it even an execution shift.

It’s not just as simple as “well keeping doing that, it’s working.”

That’s the whole correlation and causation aspect.

I'm don't disagree when it comes to Zib and on that point, it brings me right back to DQ again.

This so called system is not only based on individual efforts but that's the only way it's ever going to be successful.

Players just don't support each other in a cohesive manor.

With that said..We kind of agree on things.
Only my stance on taking immediate action instead of trashing yet another season.

Another issue I have is that by JG's lack of addressing this kind of tells me he's content with the way things are which I find disturbing.
He was a few years late on canning AV too.

Do I want Knob as the full time head coach?

Hellz no BUT if I have to settle..I'll take him over DQ any day of the week.

 

[NYR]

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Edit: maybe everyone’s internet is down.

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Some people actually work for a living and don't live life on the internet but nice Troll job attempt there, Guy smh..

 

[Krams]

Some people actually work for a living and don't live life in the internet but nice Troll job attempt there, Guy smh..

it's Saturday

 

[NYR]

it's Saturday

I work tomorrow too..Lucky me

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You simply cannot make this shit up.

 

[NYRangers1388]

Worst coach in team history. Should be fired immediately. If Gorton doesn't, then he should be fired as well.

 

[jaywills1020]

Lafreniere has a whopping 4:38 of ice time through the first 2 periods. Blackwell got PP time and Laf didn’t get any. That’s a coaches fault.

 

[hi]

Oh man I missed this guy. Tank is back on!

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[haveandare]

Yes. As in it's not a 1:1 comparison.

You can make excuses for a team all day long. Excuses are for losers. The simple of it, well coached teams do not look the way we've looked, from Covid Cup up to 3/17. It's the unfortunate truth. Sorry.

All deficiencies are magnified when we're losing/under performing.

How is this any different than saying Hartford losing is because of talent discrepancy? Excuses are for losers, well coached teams don’t have Hartfords record, etc etc etc

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Who do you guys see candidates next year? Everyone seems to think we end up with Sullivan. I don't think we'd go Torts again. I think if we wanted Gallant, we would've hired him by now. Julien, Babcock, Hitchcock, Boudreau....meh.

 

[True Blue]

Who do you guys see candidates next year? I don't think we'd go Torts again. I think if we wanted Gallant, we would've hired him by now. Julien, Babcock, Hitchcock....meh.

1) if there is a candidate , I don’t think it’s anyone they is available right now
2) you should really prepare for the fact that there will not be a coaching change no matter how much you wish