Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

[BroadwayStorm]

you all gonna get on my case but the truth is the truth

Quinn lost this season and the team in the 3rd period of opening night if you know what I mean

No I do not. Please explain and if it has anything to do with TDA just realize he WILL NEVER BE A RANGER AGAIN IN YOUR LIFETIME. So get over it.

 

[Blueshirt Special]

I think other NHL coaches breathe a sigh of relief when they see the Rangers coming up on the schedule. "Oh, nice. A break! Someone easy to coach against! I'll just roll the lines. No thinking required!"

 

[CLW]

I think other NHL coaches breathe a sigh of relief when they see the Rangers coming up on the schedule. "Oh, nice. A break! Someone easy to coach against! I'll just roll the lines. No thinking required!"

The Bruin co-commentator was very complimentary about Quinn's coaching... claiming the NYR were not bad at all and actually playing well. Lol. I know Quinn coached BU back in the day but that was gross.

 

[Peltz]

I've been extremely patient on the "fire DQ" front, but just about mid way through what should of been an exciting season and I have found very little joy watching these games. Last season was some of the most fun hockey I can remember, this season has just been mired in controversy, and criticism.

I won't break down what is and isn't under DQ's control because it's obviously not all on him (and frankly don't have the stomach for that discourse anymore), but even putting aside his shortcomings this team needs a coaching reset sooner rather than later.

Exactly. Whatever it is he’s telling them just isn’t resonating with any visibly acceptable result on the ice.

If we’re losing games while looking competitive, that’s one thing. And that’s exactly what was happening in the first quarter of the season. Rangers were losing one goal games due to great goal tending as well as
missing high quality scoring chances.

But now, it’s clear that the top half of the division is simply out coaching us at this point and we have zero answers for it. At this point, the only thing you can do is change the coach since we don’t have many assets to sell at the deadline that will bring a great return outside Buch.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

The Bruin co-commentator was very complimentary about Quinn's coaching... claiming the NYR were not bad at all and actually playing well. Lol. I know Quinn coached BU back in the day but that was gross.

I'm sure they'd be quite complimentary of their old buddy Claude Julien as well.

 

[Crease]

There should be some big names available this offseason, including Sullivan and Tortorella. I prefer Sullivan for this group. Feels like just yesterday Tortorella was coaching the Rangers, but the only players on the current roster who have played under Tortorella are Kreider (20 or so games) and Panarin.

 

[tailgunner]

No I do not. Please explain and if it has anything to do with TDA just realize he WILL NEVER BE A RANGER AGAIN IN YOUR LIFETIME. So get over it.

ok no problem, enjoy the results then

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

This team continues to show mental frailty and its concerning. Coming out of camp and into the return to play tournament, they weren't ready to play. For large stretches during the first quarter of this season they showed up with no legs and lackluster 1st periods. Some of them lasting until the 3rd period. When they give up bad goals, untimely or late goals at the end of periods - it deflates them.

It is a combination of the youth, lack of veteran leadership and ultimately the preparation, motivation and in-game management from the coaching staff and head coach.

However, I don't think it's an issue that anyone should be surprised about. What's surprising to me is the relationship this all has to the division they are playing in.

Going into the season we all knew they would be in perhaps the most difficult division in the NHL. We all talked about it and even JD discussed during camp how it COULD be a very positive boot-camp like season for a young team needing to develop and be taught how to win tough, tight NHL games. One has to wonder how this young team would perform in any of the other “weaker” divisions.

But - in actuality the other 7 teams in the East give up very close to 3 goals against per game, so the defense isn't as smothering as it seems. The "run-and-gun" & "wide open" North division actually gives up less goals per game than those 7 teams in the East. So we can't really fall back on the idea that they play in a tough, tight, goalless division.

From a defensive standpoint this team has done a very good job, 11th in the league with upwards of 10 different defenseman getting minutes with Miller & Trouba missing time. It's a function of how much improved the defensive responsibility of the forward group has been.

But this was a team that was 5th in the league in goal scoring last season at a 3.33 GFA. Mika's struggle sure play into it (a lot), as does Chytil's injury & Panarin's LOA. But the mental frailty has creeped into players games both young & veteran and it is a big, big issue.

Is it time to take the reins off and just let the players play? Would that do damage to what they’ve accomplished defensively? Would it help or hurt the 24s and 13s… and soon the 74s? I don’t know the answer and I’m not the one getting paid to have it.

 

[True Blue]

He played the right side on the PP in Rimouski iirc

Are you comparing friggin' Canadian juniors to the NHL?

 

[True Blue]

This really depends on the player. Some are comfortable on either side like Berard, Kakko, Kravtsov while others really prefer to stick to one side like Cuylle or Kreider.

There are a lot of mitigants, but the fact remains that position switches are the exception and not the rule.

 

[True Blue]

This team continues to show mental frailty and its concerning. Coming out of camp and into the return to play tournament, they weren't ready to play. For large stretches during the first quarter of this season they showed up with no legs and lackluster 1st periods. Some of them lasting until the 3rd period. When they give up bad goals, untimely or late goals at the end of periods - it deflates them.

It is a combination of the youth, lack of veteran leadership and ultimately the preparation, motivation and in-game management from the coaching staff and head coach.

However, I don't think it's an issue that anyone should be surprised about. What's surprising to me is the relationship this all has to the division they are playing in.

This is a bad combination of everything. Are there legit things to be placed at Quinn's feet? Of course there are. I have been saying for a while that he would only be fired if the wheels completely fell of the bus. Last night was the first time that I felt like I saw some movement of the wheels. But that is a different tale.

Let's put somethings in prospective. Youngest team in the league second year running is placed into what is without a doubt the toughest new division in all of hockey. Not even close. It's best player has now missed over 40% of the games. Yes, Panarin hin as been out for that long. ZBad has as many points as Ryan Lindgren. I LOVE Lingren, but having as many points as your top center does not reflect well for said center. When you look at the games so far, 40% of them the team has not received even what one would call mediocre play in goal. in 40% of the games, the play in goal has been flat out awful. Letting beach balls go in awful. Which is why Igor's injury came at such an awful time. He was resembling the player we expected him to be. And, in a compressed season, the games that he has missed loom large. Especially since something is clearly off with Georgiev and I do not mean physical. THEN tack on injuries to Chytil, who missed substantial time, and even Trouba.

Like I said, there are issues that can and frankly should be laid at Quinn's feet, but given the above items, I am not sure of what coach was going to do materially better. He is basically fighting with one arm tied behind his back.

 

[LOFIN]

There should be some big names available this offseason, including Sullivan and Tortorella. I prefer Sullivan for this group. Feels like just yesterday Tortorella was coaching the Rangers, but the only players on the current roster who have played under Tortorella are Kreider (20 or so games) and Panarin.

What about Gallant?

 

[Crease]

What about Gallant?

He's been available for so long now that I suspect there is not mutual interest there.

 

[LOFIN]

He's been available for so long now that I suspect there is not mutual interest there.

Or, he simply doesn't want to come in midseason. Let's face it, it's very hard to try an implement a different philosophy during this condensed season. Sure, a fresh face in the locker room could maybe improve things, but you can't really do drastic changes to the system when the team is barely practising.

 

[True Blue]

Or, he simply doesn't want to come in midseason. Let's face it, it's very hard to try an implement a different philosophy during this condensed season. Sure, a fresh face in the locker room could maybe improve things, but you can't really do drastic changes to the system when the team is barely practising.

Gallant is far from some sort of a strategic genius. But further, Gallant has had 3 coaching gigs as head coach in the NHL. And in ALL of these instances, he got fired while in the midst of his third season. Not after. During. 3 jobs and 3 times chased out during the third season. Including once by a team that was in first place. Don't know about you, but that absolutely screams "red flag". Think of where the Rangers are in their arch. Do you really want hire a coach just to have to replace him just as the Rangers are really entering their window?

I believe that whomever it is that will take over for Quinn, whenever that is, is not currently available.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Are you comparing friggin' Canadian juniors to the NHL?

What? It’s not uncommon for wingers to play on their weak side on the power play

 

[BroadwayStorm]

ok no problem, enjoy the results then

Right because DeAngelo is the reason this team will sink of swim. LOL

 

[Off Sides]

Rangers suck, the positive development of the youth has dwindled down to pointing to Fox only, some of that has to be on coaching. I don't even really care what percentage of blame goes where, but at this point they need to try something different.

 

[tomobson]

Last night looked like a team that gave up on their coach. The game was going ok at the start and then big brain quinn had to get in there and start messing with the lines and everything falls apart. Have to believe the players noticed this and were just asking wtf is going on here.

 

[CLW]

This is a bad combination of everything. Are there legit things to be placed at Quinn's feet? Of course there are. I have been saying for a while that he would only be fired if the wheels completely fell of the bus. Last night was the first time that I felt like I saw some movement of the wheels. But that is a different tale.

Let's put somethings in prospective. Youngest team in the league second year running is placed into what is without a doubt the toughest new division in all of hockey. Not even close. It's best player has now missed over 40% of the games. Yes, Panarin hin as been out for that long. ZBad has as many points as Ryan Lindgren. I LOVE Lingren, but having as many points as your top center does not reflect well for said center. When you look at the games so far, 40% of them the team has not received even what one would call mediocre play in goal. in 40% of the games, the play in goal has been flat out awful. Letting beach balls go in awful. Which is why Igor's injury came at such an awful time. He was resembling the player we expected him to be. And, in a compressed season, the games that he has missed loom large. Especially since something is clearly off with Georgiev and I do not mean physical. THEN tack on injuries to Chytil, who missed substantial time, and even Trouba.

Like I said, there are issues that can and frankly should be laid at Quinn's feet, but given the above items, I am not sure of what coach was going to do materially better. He is basically fighting with one arm tied behind his back.

Any coach can ride a superstar player or two and hot goaltending. The problem is that outside of that Quinn really is not showing anything inspiring or noteworthy. He's just lost.

Quinn is not fixing problems, he is not teaching the kids NHL hockey or helping them become better etc. It's one thing to have ready made players and tell them "go out there and show me what you can do", something else entirely to actually coach them and help them reach their potential. The reason the Rangers brought in Martin are self evident, and thank heavens they did, but that has not solved the root problem.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Any coach can ride a superstar player or two and hot goaltending. The problem is that outside of that Quinn really is not showing anything inspiring or noteworthy. He's just lost.

Quinn is not fixing problems, he is not teaching the kids NHL hockey or helping them become better etc. It's one thing to have ready made players and tell them "go out there and show me what you can do", something else entirely to actually coach them and help them reach their potential. The reason the Rangers brought in Martin are self evident, and thank heavens they did, but that has not solved the root problem.

He isn't really getting through to the Vets either.

He rides the f*** out of his vets, yet this team still plays like the way Ben Carson looks.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Right because DeAngelo is the reason this team will sink of swim. LOL

He gave Mika covid and hid all his sticks, hid Sheaterkins water bottle and dehydrayed him into a groin pull, got Nazarov to make a story about Panarin and was instrumental in Chytil and Miller getting hurt and made sure Kakko got covid, so ya this season is because of tony.

 

[romba]

Hopefully we continue to not let things get out hand all the way to a top draft pick again *eyeroll*

 

[True Blue]

What? It’s not uncommon for wingers to play on their weak side on the power play

Are you talking about a full position change or moving around on the PP? Sure, the latter can and does happen on a power play. The former, not so much.

 

[Richard Banger]

@Edge

when
Is
Quinn
Gone!!?