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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

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I feel like the "good developmental coach" is only one part of the puzzle. You can be great at working with young players to help them understand an offense, work on positioning, help them mentally through the ups and downs...but at the end of the day if you don't have a structured approach to how your team plays on game day to work them in to, it's irrelevant. If you don't have a defined role within a defined system that the entire team is bought in to, all the individual coaching in the world can't make up for it. It's this specifically that I really am just not seeing, which is being badly exposed after the transition game from last season dried up (intentionally or not).
 
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Crease said:
A decade from now we’re going to be remembering Quinn as we do Muckler, Low, and Trottier. Renney was a developmental coach. Quinn ain’t it.
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Renny would be perfect for this team.
 
Tbh Quinn wasn’t very winning college coach either lol

In the NHL he’s been the definition of mediocre. His record is hovering around .500
 
There was no reason to start shuffling the lines 7 minutes into this game. No PPs on either side to that point. He just doesn't get that he doesn't have to be a hero and smarter than everyone else every night. Set your lines and let them play! Familiarity with linemates is a pretty important thing; ask the three guys who torched us in the first period.
 
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This team is looking a lot like the way the team looked in AV’s final year demeanor wise.

Waiting it out that year was fine, that was mostly a veteran group with a ton of pieces who were on the verge of being sold off. You can’t let that attitude seep in here too long with this group.

They aren’t losing games because of rookie mistakes or inexperience, they look flat 90% of the time and completely directionless. That falls on the coach.
 
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RGY said:
Not fired yet... ok ill check back in tomorrow
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He's not going anywhere; not this year. Hopefully, management is figuring out that he is not the guy to take this team forward. This is a lost year. No reason to can him now.
 
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This team is looking a lot like the way the team looked in AV’s final year demeanor wise.

Waiting it out that year was fine, that was mostly a veteran group with a ton of pieces who were on the verge of being sold off. You can’t let that attitude seep in here too long with this group.

They aren’t losing games because of rookie mistakes or inexperience, they look flat 90% of the time and completely directionless. That falls on the coach.
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Quinn's college hockey and riding Panarin/Hot Zib isn't nearly enough. He has the rather important job of developing talent at the NHL level now and playing to their strengths and he clearly has no idea. The longer this experiment goes on the worse for the Rangers.
 
mas0764 said:
So he was the wrong hire then.

Because this should have been a development coach. He was sold as being good with kids. That seems untrue at this point.

And that should be rectified immediately.
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I posted this elsewhere but:

As a development coach, would rather have someone who wins games with a team full of first round picks, or a coach who maybe makes it to the final 8, but has 5th, 6th, 7th round picks and undrafted players develop for 3-4 years to the point where they make it to the NHL? If we really were going with a development coach from college there are guys who would have made more sense from that point of view.

Leaman (Providence College)
Madigan (Northeastern)Sandelin (Minnesota-Duluth)
Bazin (UMass Lowell)

I think Quinn is a good coach, but not the right fit for a rebuilding team. Put him in charge of the Bruins, Avalanche, Golden Knights and he can tweak those players to get the most out of them. But to build up a team, he just doesn't seem like the right fit. And that's all completely separate from the criticisms I have of Quinn like forgetting players on the bench and complaining about his own decisions.

There's no guarantee that any of the 4 coaches I mentioned would have done better, but if you go for a development coach, at least hire one who actually developed young players. Not a coach who gets Jack Eichel for 6 months, then Brady Tkachuk for 6 months and wins a bunch of games because he has elite talent.

If I am looking for a development coach, my eyes would be focused on guys who turn 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round picks into NHL-ers, not the guy who has a team full of the best recruits each year.
 
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CupSeeker said:
He's not going anywhere; not this year. Hopefully, management is figuring out that he is not the guy to take this team forward. This is a lost year. No reason to can him now.
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There’s every reason to can him now. We have an assistant with a boat load of coaching experience. There’s nothing that Quinn can do that he can’t do for the rest of this year. I’d much rather run with JM and see who is available come July than give Quinn the rest of the season. At least we’d have an actual system under JM and I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t goalie carousel the rest of the season.

keeping him just signals that the FO is more worried about covering their own asses than they are about building a team.
 
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There’s every reason to can him now. We have an assistant with a boat load of coaching experience. There’s nothing that Quinn can do that he can’t do for the rest of this year. I’d much rather run with JM and see who is available come July than give Quinn the rest of the season. At least we’d have an actual system under JM and I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t goalie carousel the rest of the season.

keeping him just signals that the FO is more worried about covering their own asses than they are about building a team.
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I just don't think management is going to see it that way. Maybe they are covering their asses, but i'd be shocked if he goes anywhere before the offseason.
 
bl02 said:
If he had balls he would put Kakko and Lafreniere on the first pp unit. I don't give a shit anymore. The pp is garbage and even if Strome and Buch have had decent seasons they won't be here in two years.
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The second powerplay unit is a big worry for me though. Laf and Kakko are inconsistent even strength players but they've looked like zeroes on the powerplay this year. It's a victory if that unit can keep the puck in the zone and cycle a little bit.
 
Crease said:
I can’t see another NHL team hiring Quinn as head coach anytime soon.
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That's ok he has his golden parachute of 12 million bucks so I hope he pulls off a D.B. Cooper and disappears.
 
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The second powerplay unit is a big worry for me though. Laf and Kakko are inconsistent even strength players but they've looked like zeroes on the powerplay this year. It's a victory if that unit can keep the puck in the zone and cycle a little bit.
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Give them a chance that's all I ask for. And by that a stretch of 10 games or so on the first unit. Not giving them the final 30 seconds of a pp.
 
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This team is looking a lot like the way the team looked in AV’s final year demeanor wise.

Waiting it out that year was fine, that was mostly a veteran group with a ton of pieces who were on the verge of being sold off. You can’t let that attitude seep in here too long with this group.

They aren’t losing games because of rookie mistakes or inexperience, they look flat 90% of the time and completely directionless. That falls on the coach.
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Somehow the kids are very disappointing and the kids are the best part of the season.
 
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