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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

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Edge said:
Alright, thus far you've been adrift in the safe harbor of my patience. But enough of this shit.

ADA is not in the lineup because he can't keep his f***ing mouth shut for more than a few hours at a time before stirring the f***ing pot, making comments that would get you and I FIRED if we went into our places of work, and then doing shit that he shouldn't be doing online.

You know why they made the f***ing statement?

So that dumb-shits wouldn't be asking why he isn't in the lineup every day. Because we all know that would've been the topic.

The announcement did nothing to ADA's value. You know why?

Because every team who even had a remote interest in ADA did deep dives on him and decided he was too hot to touch right now.

You know why he's too hot to touch? Because he has f***ing burner accounts, and because you have transparency on what some of his comments were from people closer to the situation. And teams don't want anything to do with that right now.

They don't even want that shit around their AHL teams.

ADA has f***ed himself over so badly at this point, with no one to blame but himself. But no one is going to talk about the findings of their investigations right now, because if they ever get desperate enough to bring him in, they'd be mutilated in the court of public opinion.

So here's the deal, as straight forward as I can give you.

The only way ADA has any future in the NHL is if he lays low, keeps his mouth shut and doesn't force an issue where info from the investigations is made public and if he shows he can move on from it.

This isn't a Rangers thing.

It isn't a Gorton thing.

It's not a cancel culture thing.

It's not a political thing.

It's a "Don't act like you have f***ing brain damage" thing and an "stop acting like a reject from a bad reality TV show" thing.

It's a "keep your f***ing mouth shut and maybe you can salvage a career" thing.

But, please, let's cut through the bullshit on this topic.

ADA's wound is self-inflicted. And from most reports, he still doesn't really get it. So there's very little motivation for teams to go out of their way give him a second chance.
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Edge has been on this board for 19 years and I'm convinced this post has more swear words than all of his previous posts combined.
 
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tailgunner said:
I guess True Blue is the expert here
Last year TDA lit up the offense, 4th best point getter amongst d-men in the NHL
This year no TDA and look at the regressed team we have now
If True Blue ran a company that company would be bankrupt

No one is taking TDA because dumbo Gorton lost all his leverage in a trade but saying "tony has played his last game as a Ranger"
All I am saying is that there were way better ways to handle this than what Quinn and Gorton did
He should of never been scratched for taking that penalty on opening night.
We are a way worse team without Tony in the line-up and what he did was not warranted to banish him
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Respectfully disagree. Disappointing all around, but the blame falls on one person's shoulders and thats ADA

He had multiple chances to change his behaviors and he did not live up to the promises he made to the club. Doesn't matter how many points he got last year.

No one is taking ADA because they don't want the baggage he carries, that is a direct result of his own doing, not the Rangers.
 
tailgunner said:
please educate me on what exactly TDA said during his time as a Ranger that is so obscene and disgraceful that it warrants him being fired
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Some of the context is stickied to the top of the ADA thread.

And it doesn't include some of the additional stuff that was found afterwards.

Like I said, he's in this situation for a reason.
 
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Edge said:
Some of the context is stickied to the top of the ADA thread.

And it doesn't include some of the additional stuff that was found afterwards.

Like I said, he's in this situation for a reason.
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sorry, I researched it and there is nothing there
you made a comment that read "If one of your 60 employees ever says the shit that ADA is quoted as saying, both around fellow employees and online, don't try to hedge on the response."

well what is the explosive thing that TDA said that warrants him being fired? all he said was his political opinions and some covid stuff. I dont see any tweets that you speak of
your all talk but no facts. show me your facts.
 
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tailgunner said:
please educate me on what exactly TDA said during his time as a Ranger that is so obscene and disgraceful that it warrants him being fired
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Sorry, but that is crossing the lines of what can and cannot be shared. Our insiders are insiders for a reason. And they can stay that way because certain things do not make their way onto internet message boards.

With that said, Edge's credibility 'round these parts is unquestionable.
 
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True Blue said:
Sorry, but that is crossing the lines of what can and cannot be shared. Our insiders are insiders for a reason. And they can stay that way because certain things do not make their way onto internet message boards.

With that said, Edge's credibility 'round these parts is unquestionable.
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i have been here almost a long as edge
nice try, not buying it
 
tailgunner said:
sorry, I researched it and there is nothing there
you made a comment that read "If one of your 60 employees ever says the shit that ADA is quoted as saying, both around fellow employees and online, don't try to hedge on the response."

well what is the explosive thing that TDA said that warrants him being fired? all he said was his political opinions and some covid stuff. I dont see any tweets that you speak of
your all talk but no facts. show me your facts.
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In summary:

He was approached by both the team and his teammates having made multiple inappropriate comments pertaining to race, politics and gender/sexuality. These comments, along with other concerns, were brought to his attention as part of multiple efforts to steer him in a more productive direction.

Those efforts did not work, despite repeated warnings and him being point on probation internally. His tenure culminated with a physical altercation with a teammate, beyond even what he was already on probation for, and a near altercation with two more teammates in the aftermath.

As part of due diligence by other teams, even more confirmed or suspected incidents were uncovered online pertaining to ADA's activities. Some of these incidents even took place around or after the incidents that lead to his dismissal from the team.

Cumulatively, all of these different actions and findings are major aspects currently preventing ADA from finding a team in either the NHL or AHL who are willing to bring him in right now.

To your previous statement that the Rangers approached tanked ADA's value, I'd like to quote long-time friend in the industry who currently works for a Western Conference team:

"If anyone thinks that teams weren't going to turn over every stone on this player, and find some concerning, they're kidding themselves. With or without a statement, ADA was a dead man walking."

But to steer this back to the topic of the thread. It is not a Quinn thing. It is not a Gorton thing. It is an ADA thing. That is why he still isn't playing anywhere else.
 
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tailgunner said:
sorry, I researched it and there is nothing there
you made a comment that read "If one of your 60 employees ever says the shit that ADA is quoted as saying, both around fellow employees and online, don't try to hedge on the response."

well what is the explosive thing that TDA said that warrants him being fired? all he said was his political opinions and some covid stuff. I dont see any tweets that you speak of
your all talk but no facts. show me your facts.
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It’s not about what he said. It’s about how he violated company policy.

If you’d continue to employ any of the 60 people who supposedly work for you that repeatedly violated your company’s policies, you’re a terrible business owner. I’d absolutely hate to work for you. And I wouldn’t.
 
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Edge said:
In summary:

He was approached by both the team and his teammates having made multiple inappropriate comments pertaining to race, politics and gender/sexuality. These comments, along with other concerns, were brought to his attention as part of multiple efforts to steer him in a more productive direction.

Those efforts did not work, despite repeated warnings and him being point on probation internally. It culminated with a physical altercation with a teammate, and a near altercation with two more teammates in the aftermath.

As part of due diligence by other teams, even more confirmed or suspected incidents were uncovered online pertaining to ADA's activities. Some of these incidents even took place around or after the incidents that lead to his dismissal from the team.

Cumulatively, all of these different actions and findings are major aspects currently preventing ADA from finding a team in either the NHL or AHL who are willing to bring him in right now.

To your previous statement that the Rangers approached tanked ADA's value, I'd like to quote long-time friend in the industry who currently works for a Western Conference team:

"If anyone thinks that teams weren't going to turn over every stone on this player, and find some concerning, they're kidding themselves. With or without a statement, ADA was a dead man walking."
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with all due respect Edge and I am not trying to be a wise ass
but you have nothing there to back up what you are saying
you mention multiple inappropriate comments, well where are these comments ? TDA has not tweeted comments like that, he tweeted political stuff, I never read a tweet from him which crossed the line.

all I am saying is that this was handled poorly by everyone involved including TDA. I make no excuses for TDA, he dig his own grave. but banishing him really doesn't help anyone
when someone needs help you dont throw them in the street
 
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Edge said:
In summary:

He was approached by both the team and his teammates having made multiple inappropriate comments pertaining to race, politics and gender/sexuality. These comments, along with other concerns, were brought to his attention as part of multiple efforts to steer him in a more productive direction.

Those efforts did not work, despite repeated warnings and him being point on probation internally. It culminated with a physical altercation with a teammate, and a near altercation with two more teammates in the aftermath.

As part of due diligence by other teams, even more confirmed or suspected incidents were uncovered online pertaining to ADA's activities. Some of these incidents even took place around or after the incidents that lead to his dismissal from the team.

Cumulatively, all of these different actions and findings are major aspects currently preventing ADA from finding a team in either the NHL or AHL who are willing to bring him in right now.

To your previous statement that the Rangers approached tanked ADA's value, I'd like to quote long-time friend in the industry who currently works for a Western Conference team:

"If anyone thinks that teams weren't going to turn over every stone on this player, and find some concerning, they're kidding themselves. With or without a statement, ADA was a dead man walking."

But to steer this back to the topic of the thread. It is not a Quinn thing. It is not a Gorton thing. It is an ADA thing. That is why he still isn't playing anywhere else.
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Is the bolded from his junior days or has he done that again in the NHL?
 
tailgunner said:
with all due respect Edge and I am not trying to be a wise ass
but you have nothing there to back up what you are saying
you mention multiple inappropriate comments, well where are these comments ? TDA has not tweeted comments like that, he tweeted political stuff, I never read a tweet from him which crossed the line.
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Did you hear what I said to my brother-in-law last night?
 
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tailgunner said:
with all due respect Edge and I am not trying to be a wise ass
but you have nothing there to back up what you are saying
you mention multiple inappropriate comments, well where are these comments ? TDA has not tweeted comments like that, he tweeted political stuff, I never read a tweet from him which crossed the line.

all I am saying is that this was handled poorly by everyone involved including TDA. I make no excuses for TDA, he dig his own grave. but banishing him really doesn't help anyone
when someone needs help you dont throw them in the street
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I can't help you there.

Do you want me to go and do a screen grab some of his comments from Parler that came up in an investigation?

Should I ask around and see if someone can give me DMs to fans from Twitter?

I'm kind of limited in what I can share with you. Even now, I'm probably bordering on sharing way too much.

Multiple attempts were made to reach ADA. This wasn't a one and done thing. This was a months long thing, that really kicked into high gear leading up to the election.

The list of people who talked to ADA included coaches, management, and his teammates. He was not kicked to the curb.

And beyond that, he wasn't battling an addiction.

He was battling an inability to control himself for any length of time. Literally, all he had to do was keep his mouth shut. Hell, he probably could've created multiple burner accounts and gotten away with his shit. But he made it so hard to overlook, that it would've been comical to try.

This is all on ADA. Period.

Everyone would've been better off if he didn't do this shit. But he did, and here we are.

And unfortunately for him, this isn't the first time. So at what point, short-term or long-term, do you finally go, "enough of this shit. you're done" ?

Well, we found out.

Again, there's a reason why teams aren't going there right now. And it goes far beyond what you're gonna see on here or in a newspaper report.
 
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tailgunner said:
hardly
he has no facts to back up anything he is saying
I'm still standing
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You want facts?

- Jeff Gorton said DeAngelo was given a final warning
- An incident happened involving DeAngelo
- DeAngelo was then put on waivers and 30 teams passed on him, a top-5 D-man in points
- He was demoted to the taxi squad
- They tried to facilitate a move to an AHL team but again, no takers

Those are all facts. If you think DeAngelo was somehow treated unfairly by the Rangers, how would you explain 30(!) other teams not even touching him?
 
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What day will be better?

The day ADA gets bought out? or the day Quinn is fired? I would say, 'the same day' but I'm hoping Quinn doesn't last that long
 
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