And managed to compile a loosing record in Columbus and was fired 15 games into this third season. Then was fired 22 games into his third season at Florida. Then got fired as a coach of a team that was in first place in his third year in Las Vegas. Clearly smart enough for something.
Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV
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Gallant took an expansion team to the Finals.
Quinn struggles to take Strome off of PP1.
@True Blue The "developed" talent hasn't really performed under Quinn this year either. Are we going to put all of that on the players themselves? I'm of the opinion that there is shared blame here, but the kids aren't what are dragging this group down, the Vets have been underwhelming and the coach hasn't been able to get the group to refocus and really keeps on just doing really dumb things in game that only further inflame the issue.
Quinn struggles to take Strome off of PP1.
@True Blue The "developed" talent hasn't really performed under Quinn this year either. Are we going to put all of that on the players themselves? I'm of the opinion that there is shared blame here, but the kids aren't what are dragging this group down, the Vets have been underwhelming and the coach hasn't been able to get the group to refocus and really keeps on just doing really dumb things in game that only further inflame the issue.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Be fair. Strome has twice as many points as Zibanejad. So Quinn struggles Zibanejad of PP1.
That is a big disingenuous. The tools that Vegas was given was unlike any other expansion team in ANY professional sport. Under the rules that existed when a Florida or Tampa came into the league, they are a lottery team.
And yet he did. Just not fast enough for you.
Some of the blame, yeah. Goes right on the group that is supposed to be the veteran leadership group. And yes, it is not the kids that are the issue right now. The vets are.
Bob had an awful year in net and they had no Hart Trophy-esque seasons from really any of their players. And their record was still not far off from ours.
Meanwhile Panarin did have a Hart Trophy level season and Zibanejad played on another level. The PP success by those two. DeAngelo had a great season offensively.
So essentially without those factors on our end, we would have been absolutely abysmal. Joel Q is getting the most out of his team in Florida. Contributions all over.
Quinn took Strome off PP1 ... and then put him right back on it the minute the PP1 continued to not score. Keep Strome off the 1st unit. Give Laf/Kakko time there. More than 1-2 PPs.
haveandare
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Yeah coaches have a shelf life, but his seems to be uniquely short and he’s been fired twice now when he teams weren’t really doing all that poorly. It’s undeniably odd compared to the situations other coaches are fired in.
Imo it’s silly to say arguing against him as a big upgrade is dishonest when nobody has really argued for him other than the fact that he’s unemployed snd people recognize his name. Nobody claiming he’s be so good is talking about his coaching in any kind of detail or why it’d be a better fit here
Not only that, one needs to ask themselves if it is a coincidence that he was fired 15 games into his third season by one team, 22 games into his third season by another and 49 games into this third season by his third team, while they were in first place. Coincidence? Or does it seem like he may not be a long term coach? Especially given the timeline when this team is truly expected to compete for the Cup.
Florida had no idea what they were doing when they got rid of him. That was deep in the midst of hiring an entire analytics department and then nixing the process halfway through a season. I don't put that one on him at all (they followed this up with their doozy a deal during the expansion draft.)
He did lead the Panthers to one of their best (may have been the best) season in franchise history and had a hand in developing the guys who are their best players today, so there is that.
So we're talking about a guy who..
- Was behind the bench for one of the most successful regular seasons in a franchise's history
- Took another team to the finals.
Vs.
A guy who can barely get his teams prepped on game day.
It's not even a conversation. One guy is far superior to the other.
As for why hed be a better fit? His teams are actually aggressive and attack in straight lines rather than try to mirror what ever their opponents are doing and hope for the best. He has gotten results.
I don't think hes a fit here for other reasons (I mentioned them above) but its really, really silly to try to argue that he wouldn't be an upgrade over Quinn. He 100000000% would be.
There are other guys who I'd take over Quinn too (Sullivan when he becomes available, Montgomery if hes gotten over his issues, Hell I'd promote the Hartford staff over Quinn or give JM a test run for the rest of this season and see what he can do with some good assistants. We know he has a legitimate rolodex.)
There are retreads who I would stay clear of completely (Hitchcock, Foodreau, Yeo, Bylsma) but there are other options out there who both have actual experience at this level, right below it and would be better equipped to push this team forward.
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
What we're seeing is more trapping and near perfect PK structure...
And strangling of sticks because of too much focus on individual performance... Mika isn't handling it well and Kreider is a spokesman, not a captain... Kakko and Lafreniere are suffering from bruised egos, we get it... ok... get over it. They will. Then guys like Fox are like, "WTF, man?"
Defensively, they had Trouba, I thought he was way better so far... But we have Bitteto, a much more likeable team wop.
A young team but young in all ways. The only guys playing like professional athletes right now are the journeyman... the poor and unskilled shall rise up...
And strangling of sticks because of too much focus on individual performance... Mika isn't handling it well and Kreider is a spokesman, not a captain... Kakko and Lafreniere are suffering from bruised egos, we get it... ok... get over it. They will. Then guys like Fox are like, "WTF, man?"
Defensively, they had Trouba, I thought he was way better so far... But we have Bitteto, a much more likeable team wop.
A young team but young in all ways. The only guys playing like professional athletes right now are the journeyman... the poor and unskilled shall rise up...
All of the three teams where he was the head coach fired him during his third season.
Now do this year's record. Plus wasn't that Quenneville's first season with the team?
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It must have been pretty easy to get up in the morning and motivate a group of players that were cast away by their teams. No easier job than to take a bunch of professionals with something to prove. Its the same reason why Blackwell and PDG play their asses off every night. They know they are one bad game away from riding buses and eating subs in the AHL.
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99.9% of coaches in the NHL have a shelf life , most end up coaching for several teams. Including coaches that have won a metric sh^t ton of games ,have been coach of the year ,made very deep runs in the POs, have won Presidents cups, have won Stanley cups (multiples) all have been sh^t canned at one point or another .Gallant is a coach who has proven he can win in this league , turn teams around and make deep POs runs.I am starting to think you are Quinns burner account .
All coaches have a shelf life. The clock starts ticking the second they get hired. Does not mean that all coaches get fired DURING their third season by all of the teams that have hired them as a head coach. Not sure that is what you want for this iteration of the Rangers.
And the time you find me holding Quinn faultless will be the first time.
Did Quenneville's also manage to get younger than they were last year? That is what the Rangers youngest team did. And has Florida this year managed to have such an absurdly low on ice shooting percentage for its players that one really doubts how that is remotely possible on a team-wide level? Did Florida loose a center whose play was the best of all the centers on the team?
In the last six months Quinn lost several veteran players, inherited a younger roster, has a goalie tandem with less than 100 games experience between the two of them, had to deal with a mental breakdown from his best offensive weapon on the blueline, and his franchise center is playing like someone stole his lollipop.
Meanwhile Quenneville's team added experienced veterans, added depth scoring to give them 3 competent lines, is getting a hart worthy start of the season out of his star winger, and his backup goalie is giving them a chance to win more games.
Yup. Definitely the coaching.
Count me out on the Gallant hire.
The just turned a 50 point defenseman into an outcast.
You think they're actually going hire a coach with the same background?
Since JG, dumbass that he is, completely ignored all the good coaches (LAVIOLETTE) while they were available I think the only choice you have is to just go with Martin right now.
There has been a slight improvement defensively since his arrival so let's go with it and see how things shake out for now..
The just turned a 50 point defenseman into an outcast.
You think they're actually going hire a coach with the same background?
Since JG, dumbass that he is, completely ignored all the good coaches (LAVIOLETTE) while they were available I think the only choice you have is to just go with Martin right now.
There has been a slight improvement defensively since his arrival so let's go with it and see how things shake out for now..
Can someone explain to me what Gallant has done or what mystical skills he possesses that's going to make players like Zib snap out of a historic funk or get guys back from the IR quicker? What is so special about a guy who gets fired a year after taking a team to the Stanley Cup finals?
KirkAlbuquerque
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If Quinn had any nuts he'd scratch Zibanejad and Kreider.
Hold up. With our other PP1 personnel, people are arguing that Kakko and Laf are better fits than Strome?
Can we please lock this thread. It's getting nutty.
Can we please lock this thread. It's getting nutty.
well Torts did have guts to scratch Brad Richards I wish we had that type of coach. at least we don't have to worry about Marc Staal playing this season. I miss Torts. id bring him back in a heartbeat.
You have to admit that he does get results.
By what measures is another convo entirely..
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