Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

[Savant]

There’s a difference between criticizing him and blaming him for everyone while refusing to give him credit. Not everyone is doing that. But...

That’s fair. I think he has done good work with the NCAA players but I also think that’s because NCAA is his level.

I don’t think there is an agenda. The results speak for themselves.

 

[Crease]

Quinn says that Kreider and zibanejad have now run out of their “veteran status”


f*** this guy.

I don't Quinn is the best coach for this team but I see nothing wrong with this statement. Vets have had longer leashes than non-vets since the beginning of time. And I'm glad he's calling Kreider and Zibanejad out -- they suck and have for a while now.

 

[aufheben]

That’s fair. I think he has done good work with the NCAA players but I also think that’s because NCAA is his level.

I don’t think there is an agenda. The results speak for themselves.

You can call it whatever you want...some posters—not everyone—are blaming the coach because it’s easier to deal with mentally than players just no being good. Way easier.

It’s clear as day. Everyone doing it is fully aware of it too, which is the part that annoys me the most (the other part is the implication that sharing a sensible opinion about Quinn is what bothers others—it’s not—it’s the temper tantrums, spamming, flaming, disrupting other threads...)

Like, we just did this with AV.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You can call it whatever you want...some posters—not everyone—are blaming the coach because it’s easier to deal with mentally than players just no being good. Way easier.

It’s clear as day. Everyone doing it is fully aware of it too, which is the part that annoys me the most (the other part is the implication that sharing a sensible opinion about Quinn is what bothers others—it’s not—it’s the temper tantrums, spamming, flaming, disrupting other threads...)

Like, we just did this with AV.

i thought about yelling at my kids to grow up faster yet i don't think it would work. Doesn't work with tomato plants either. Sharing

 

[True Blue]

Maybe he's picking corners. I'm not saying that it's sustainable but poo pooing his start because of his high shooting percentage when he's supposed to be a good shooter is silly to me.

But it is absolutely ridiculous. And unsustainable. As is Kakko and Lafreniere's ridiculously low one. FACT.

 

[chosen]

Quinn deserves to be criticized.

Which Rangers players don't deserve the same?

It's a pretty short list.

 

[Off Sides]

head/tails must be 50-50, right?

Sure if one had infinitive amount of flips and time it would come out to be just that at some point, yet that does not mean it happens if you flip 10 times, 100 times, 10,000 times, etc.

At some point one can run out of time waiting for something to return to the mean.

42 games left.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The Quinn apologists in here lmaoo.


I wish I could get away with being as bad at my job as DQ is at his.

 

[True Blue]

The Quinn apologists in here lmaoo.


I wish I could get away with being as bad at my job as DQ is at his.

Not sure that is any more funny than blaming him from everything from a puck bounce to Russian interfering in the election.

 

[Harbour Dog]

The Quinn apologists in here lmaoo.


I wish I could get away with being as bad at my job as DQ is at his.

Is anybody defending Quinn though?

I think people are just saying that the veterans deserve some of the blame too.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I feel like most people in this thread have a similar opinion, but are arguing opposite extremes of the spectrum.

 

[True Blue]

Is anybody defending Quinn though?

I think people are just saying that the veterans deserve some of the blame too.

If we put all of the cards on the table face up and start to break up the pie chart. 1/3 of the blame on Quinn, 1/3 on poor play from veterans, 1/3 on some of the most ridiculous inability for ANYONE to put the puck into the net.

 

[True Blue]

I feel like most people in this thread have a similar opinion, but are arguing opposite extremes of the spectrum.

It's HF almost a year into a locked down/pandemic. Extremes is all that some have.

 

[Harbour Dog]

If we put all of the cards on the table face up and start to break up the pie chard. 1/3 of the blame on Quinn, 1/3 on poor play from veterans, 1/3 on some of the most ridiculous inability for ANYONE to put the puck into the net.

This may be a better way to look at it. What amount of our shitty play/results do people want to assign to Quinn?

I think 1/3rd is about right.

 

[True Blue]

This may be a better way to look at it. What amount of our shitty play/results do people want to assign to Quinn?

I think 1/3rd is about right.

And if just one of the other two variants rounds back into form, the amount of wins go up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is anybody defending Quinn though?

I think people are just saying that the veterans deserve some of the blame too.

Of course the Vets deserve some of the blame.

But the QA's are straight up ignoring all of the valid criticisms against Quinn that are independent of his players. He hasn't been dealt a great hand this year, but he's been f***ing awful on his own.

I don't Quinn is the best coach for this team but I see nothing wrong with this statement. Vets have had longer leashes than non-vets since the beginning of time. And I'm glad he's calling Kreider and Zibanejad out -- they suck and have for a while now.

Theres a huge difference between waiting 6 games and waiting until you've hit the quarter point of the season.

Especially when you've needed all of 3-4 shifts from some other players to make demotions. I get that Vets have a longer leash, but not this long.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

McDonagh/Miller trade
Trouba trade and extension
Jack Johnson signing
Brendan Smith extension
Kreider extension
DeAngelo extension
Strome extension
I think he should've gotten more for Zuccarello
Drafting Lias Andersson
Drafting Olof Lindbom

Brassard trade?
Nash trade?
Grabner trade?
Hayes trade?
Fox trade?
Skjei trade?
Spooner trade?
Staal trade?
Stepan trade is still a win imo.
Drafting Chytil, Miller, and Lundkvist all in the late 1st?

Every GM is going to have mixed results with the moves they make. Gorton has missed on some of his swings; connected on others, and the rest has yet to be seen. There are still a plethora of players he’s drafted that are not ready yet. Kravtsov. Lundkvist. Schneider. Robertson. Jones. Barron.

I realize some people want to start seeing better results, but we’re the youngest team in the league with 7 of our 10 losses being 1-goal games.

There’s a reason JD keeps repeating the word patience over and over every opportunity he gets.

This is what a rebuild is. Lots of ugly shit. Stamkos and Hedman were drafted In 2008+2009, and just finally won a cup.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Brassard trade?
Nash trade?
Grabner trade?
Hayes trade?
Fox trade?
Skjei trade?
Spooner trade?
Staal trade?
Stepan trade is still a win imo.
Drafting Chytil, Miller, and Lundkvist all in the late 1st?

Every GM is going to have mixed results with the moves they make. Gorton has missed on some of his swings; connected on others, and the rest has yet to be seen. There are still a plethora of players he’s drafted that are not ready yet. Kravtsov. Lundkvist. Schneider. Robertson. Jones. Barron.

I realize some people want to start seeing better results, but we’re the youngest team in the league with 7 of our 10 losses being 1-goal games.

There’s a reason JD keeps repeating the word patience over and over every opportunity he gets.

This is what a rebuild is. Lots of ugly shit. Stamkos and Hedman were drafted In 2008+2009, and just finally won a cup.

Stop making sense

 

[duhmetreE]

David Quinn reminds me a lot of Herm Edwards

 

[duhmetreE]

https://nypost.com/2021/02/16/unacc...inn-blame-game-anymore/?utm_source=reddit.com

But games such as this one, in which the Blueshirts took a full-faced pratfall on the Garden ice in losing 5-2 to a Devils team that hadn’t played a game since Jan. 31 and had only one practice with which to prep … well, games such as this may force club president John Davidson to ask some pointed questions about just what the hell is going on here?

Quinn, who appeared as downcast during his postgame Zoom call with the media as he has through the two-plus years of his tenure, was asked whether this was about effort.

“Uh, yeah,” he said, appearing as beaten as his team.

When a team loses because of effort, does at least some of it have to bounce back on the coach? I’ll answer that: Uh, yeah.

Brooksy dropping hammers

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Brassard trade?
Nash trade?
Grabner trade?
Hayes trade?
Fox trade?
Skjei trade?
Spooner trade?
Staal trade?
Stepan trade is still a win imo.
Drafting Chytil, Miller, and Lundkvist all in the late 1st?

Every GM is going to have mixed results with the moves they make. Gorton has missed on some of his swings; connected on others, and the rest has yet to be seen. There are still a plethora of players he’s drafted that are not ready yet. Kravtsov. Lundkvist. Schneider. Robertson. Jones. Barron.

I realize some people want to start seeing better results, but we’re the youngest team in the league with 7 of our 10 losses being 1-goal games.

There’s a reason JD keeps repeating the word patience over and over every opportunity he gets.

This is what a rebuild is. Lots of ugly shit. Stamkos and Hedman were drafted In 2008+2009, and just finally won a cup.

My initial post was this:

"Gorton has done some really good things and some really bad things. He also lucked into getting the #1 overall pick, the #2 overall pick and a top-10 player in Panarin, who wanted to come to New York so bad that he took a discount."

 

[aufheben]

Of course the Vets deserve some of the blame.

But the QA's are straight up ignoring all of the valid criticisms against Quinn that are independent of his players. He hasn't been dealt a great hand this year, but he's been f***ing awful on his own.

Theres a huge difference between waiting 6 games and waiting until you've hit the quarter point of the season.

Especially when you've needed all of 3-4 shifts from some other players to make demotions. I get that Vets have a longer leash, but not this long.

It’s not ignored, SA16 has just debunked half of them.

Last night there was a tweet about Quinn making an in-game adjustment w/r/t line-matching that was effective. The response was literally “Even a blind squirrel...”

That isn’t valid criticism.

“...hasn’t been dealt a great hand, but...”
“...Vets have a longer leash, but...”.

 

[Crease]

David Quinn reminds me a lot of Herm Edwards

Nice guy, says all the right things, but out of his league?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It’s not ignored, SA16 has just debunked half of them.

Last night there was a tweet about Quinn making an in-game adjustment w/r/t line-matching that was effective. The response was literally “Even a blind squirrel...”

That isn’t valid criticism.

“...hasn’t been dealt a great hand, but...”
“...Vets have a longer leash, but...”.

They absolutely are.

Unless you don't think its possible to take a shitty situation and make it worse, in which case I have news for you...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

David Quinn reminds me a lot of Herm Edwards

David Quinn is about as good of a coach as Jack Edwards.