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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

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Savant said:
Quinn specifically asked for DeAngelo in that return.

Dorion initiated the Zibanejad trade so I’m not giving him that

What else do you have? Gorton has done the easy stuff. He hasn’t gotten the harder moves right.
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Quinn?

Dude you're reaching soooo hard. I'd put both the Brass-Zibanejad trade (even if you want to add silly stipulations to this) and the McDonagh/Miller trade above that one quite easily. You can't just cherry pick the ones you want to use. IF we're looking at all the moves hes made, the Trouba deal, Panarin signing and Kreider extension all rank above the Stepan trade as well - I hated TWO of these moves the second they were made (one has worked out so far, the other one already looks like a disaster.)

Honestly, his track record has been a mixed bag. He hasn't made that one disaster move. Though theres time for some of the stuff hes done to fall into that category *Cough* Kreider extension *Cough.*

The Quinn hire was his first coaching hire so yeah, that belongs there. GM's typically get more than one crack at hiring a coach though.
 
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Quinn?

Dude you're reaching soooo hard. I'd put both the Brass-Zibanejad trade (even if you want to add silly stipulations to this) and the McDonagh/Miller trade above that one quite easily. You can't just cherry pick the ones you want to use. IF we're looking at all the moves hes made, the Trouba deal, Panarin signing and Kreider extension all rank above the Stepan trade as well - I hated TWO of these moves the second they were made (one has worked out so far, the other one already looks like a disaster.)

Honestly, his track record has been a mixed bag. He hasn't made that one disaster move. Though theres time for some of the stuff hes done to fall into that category *Cough* Kreider extension *Cough.*

The Quinn hire was his first coaching hire so yeah, that belongs there. GM's typically get more than one crack at hiring a coach though.
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It’s not silly it’s fact Dorian called Gorton because he wanted Brassard. I think that is a well known story.

The McDonagh/Miller trade is bad unless you want to try to argue otherwise. Especially because he locked into Hajek in that deal and he isn’t going. At least he got Howden too!

The Trouba deal and extension is not exactly a gold star on the resume either.

Panarin signing a monkey could have done.

Kreider extension was questionable at best at the time, and keeps looking worse.

Quinn makes a lot of these worse and that’s Gorton’s guy. Quinn who originally didn’t even want the job, and was talked into it by Gorton.

Mixed bag is a friendly way to put it
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
Waste a season completely. And hurt Kakko and Laf's development. f***ing pathetic if that's the case.
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Honestly I wish they never went almost full rebuild. Rebuild is just an excuse to suck. We had solid core with Miller, Hayes, Kreider, Zib, Buch, etc. This whole rebuild is looking like crap, they simply are not good at developing players.
 
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At some point, whether Quinn is the problem or not, a team needs a wake up call, shakeup and new voice. You can’t fire/trade the whole team. So when the whole team is under performing, what do you do? I thought Bylsma was a good coach in Pittsburgh but he got the axe when the Pens under performed and Sullivan came in and they won again. Sometimes the coach has to be the head to roll because there’s not realistic meaningful roster changes you can make. And I’m not even convinced that Quinn ISN’T the problem, so I’m more than okay with rolling the dice on a change.
 
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We can't waste this season. You don't have unlimited time in a rebuild. These young players, if they are actually good, will carry a bigger cap hit soon

4 wins in 14 games. Nearly entire roster underperforming. It's not all on the coach, but it's the first move you make.
 
Savant said:
I would even say the Islanders don’t have more talent. But they have Trotz
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I both agree and disagree. the islanders don’t have much upper end talent, but they also don’t have as many borderline nhl players.
We knew coming into this year that we had both incredible potential from players, and huge risk in others.
Miller has been fantastic from game 2+. Hajek has not been poor.
Laf has not produced as expected but they’ll fall.
Both kakko and chytil have made huge advances in their games.
Our issue right now is that the pieces we thought that would replicate or at least come close to their career averages, have been absolutely missing.
 
Does a different coach get Kreider to play like he didnt just get his last NHL contract, Ziba to take interest on the ice, Strome to not float back to the defensive zone while the 2 kids on his wing bust their asses up and down the ice?

Quinn will probably be gone simply because some of our problems are impossible to move. Maybe in the future we shouldnt hand out long term contracts until we are ready for the next step vs in the beginning of a rebuild.
 
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Really wouldn't mind if we walked away from this guy. He hasn't shown anything that recommends sticking with him (perhaps as a tank commander?).

Get somebody who can get the kids what they need.
 
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Sam Harris just released a short conversation with Ricky Gervais where they discuss comedy. Ricky is discussing the process of writing a joke that required he cycle thru many British slang terms before landing on the right one.

Amazingly enough for this time, that has now made me aware of this:

Urban Dictionary: Quinn

We live in a simulation.
 
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WojtekWolski86 said:
Does a different coach get Kreider to play like he didnt just get his last NHL contract, Ziba to take interest on the ice, Strome to not float back to the defensive zone while the 2 kids on his wing bust their asses up and down the ice?

Quinn will probably be gone simply because some of our problems are impossible to move. Maybe in the future we shouldnt hand out long term contracts until we are ready for the next step vs in the beginning of a rebuild.
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Certain guys certainly would, with the exception of Zibanejad whose issues are tied to something independent of effort or interest.

IT IS part of the coaches job to motivate guys or to demote/bench/scratch guys when they aren't doing their jobs. Moving a guy off of a PP unit for a few games or demoting someone to the 3rd line for 10 minutes are not examples of this. Funny how these things tend to not stick for long when they're applied to vets.

How about the slow starts or just the overall listlessness that infects this team even when they DO play well? The PP? The lack of a system? The lack of adjustments? They've been in almost every game they've played (tied or within 1 going into the 3rd) - They've won just 3 of these games (They've lost 8.)
 
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Savant said:
It’s not silly it’s fact Dorian called Gorton because he wanted Brassard. I think that is a well known story.

The McDonagh/Miller trade is bad unless you want to try to argue otherwise. Especially because he locked into Hajek in that deal and he isn’t going. At least he got Howden too!

The Trouba deal and extension is not exactly a gold star on the resume either.

Panarin signing a monkey could have done.

Kreider extension was questionable at best at the time, and keeps looking worse.

Quinn makes a lot of these worse and that’s Gorton’s guy. Quinn who originally didn’t even want the job, and was talked into it by Gorton.

Mixed bag is a friendly way to put it
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It's idiotic because the deal was still made. It doesn't matter who approached who, he got Zibanejad out of it. End of story. He didn't initiate the Stepan deal either, He was being hounded by Chayka re: Stepan for a full year before they made that deal. You really like to pick and choose what parts of a story you want to bring to light lmao. Funny how you leave Nils out of the McDonagh trade. I agree 100% that it doesn't look good even with him in it, but at least try to be partial.

No one is talking about those other examples as "gold star"moments, but they're much bigger moments than the Stepan trade. Like I said, I hated 2 of those moves the second they were made. The one I liked hasn't exactly worked out phenomenally either.

How about the Nash deal? The Grabner one? Hayes? Or are we not going to count those because they don't fit your agenda?

This is as silly as your love for Alec Martinez or fear that the Rangers were going to Swap DeAngelo for Lucic because "Gorton knows Lucic."
 
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Certain guys certainly would, with the exception of Zibanejad whose issues are tied to something independent of effort or interest.

IT IS part of the coaches job to motivate guys or to demote/bench/scratch guys when they aren't doing their jobs. Moving a guy off of a PP unit for a few games or demoting someone to the 3rd line for 10 minutes are not examples of this. Funny how these things tend to not stick for long when they're applied to vets.

How about the slow starts or just the overall listlessness that infects this team even when they DO play well? The PP? The lack of a system? The lack of adjustments? They've been in almost every game they've played (tied or within 1 going into the 3rd) - They've won just 3 of these games (They've lost 8.)
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He has moved Kreider to the 3rd line, Buch to the 3rd line at times. Can this team afford to bench multiple veteran players? Could a different voice behind the bench change that? Maybe. Or maybe we have a bunch of lazy bums on this team. If the leadership of this team are the biggest culprits what do you turn to?
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Waste a season completely. And hurt Kakko and Laf's development. f***ing pathetic if that's the case.
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Dude, Kakko was the best player on the ice BY FAR and Lafreniere has been fine Of all the things to freak out about, their development getting screwed up ain't it.
 
Ranger Spice said:
Gorton has done some really good things and some really bad things. He also lucked into getting the #1 overall pick, the #2 overall pick and a top-10 player in Panarin, who wanted to come to New York so bad that he took a discount.
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We should probably keep the Gorton things in the Gorton thread. But you get me curious....what really bad things has he done?
 
True Blue said:
Dude, Kakko was the best player on the ice BY FAR and Lafreniere has been fine Of all the things to freak out about, their development getting screwed up ain't it.
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If only games were won by takeaways and shots, Kakko would be the best player in the league. I'm encouraged by his and Laf's play but with Quinn every player but Panarin is offensively inept. He's a steaming pile of shit.
 
Loki Dog 74 said:
At some point, whether Quinn is the problem or not, a team needs a wake up call, shakeup and new voice. You can’t fire/trade the whole team. So when the whole team is under performing, what do you do? I thought Bylsma was a good coach in Pittsburgh but he got the axe when the Pens under performed and Sullivan came in and they won again. Sometimes the coach has to be the head to roll because there’s not realistic meaningful roster changes you can make. And I’m not even convinced that Quinn ISN’T the problem, so I’m more than okay with rolling the dice on a change.
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I highly doubt that this happens in season. Things need to be evaluated when players like Chytil return, as that will push the entire center structure to where it needs to be. The team should be evaluated when the injuries heal. At this point, button down the hatches and ride it all out. At some point, the team in general and Zbad in particular will not be shooting at ridiculously low levels. The amount of poor puck luck is actually astounding.

Are the team's results 100% on Quinn? Hardly. Is he responsible for some? Sure. But think of what the results would have been were it not for a handful of ridiculously poor goaltending games and if last year's version of ZBad was playing?

Oh, and how did the D look without Trouba last night?
 
SnowblindNYR said:
If only games were won by takeaways and shots, Kakko would be the best player in the league. I'm encouraged by his and Laf's play but with Quinn every player but Panarin is offensively inept. He's a steaming pile of shit.
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So then why holler about what happens to their development?
 
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