Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

[Number 9]

So who coached the team to a top-5 offense and top-10 PP last year? Jesus? Thanos?

heard it was lindy

 

[will1066]

It was obviously Scott Arniel, from remote.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

heard it was lindy

that would be my guess.

 

[Ola]

Issues between DQ and Tony (right or wrong) is what led to the whole disaster.
https://www.google.se/amp/s/nypost....er-tony-deangelo-bares-soul-in-interview/amp/
https://www.google.se/amp/s/nypost....er-tony-deangelo-bares-soul-in-interview/amp/

“But let’s be serious here. DeAngelo is not out of the NHL because of the tussle with Georgiev. Those things happen in pro sports. Claude Lemieux and Scott Stevens went at it bare-fisted in the Devils’ room the year preceding the first of New Jersey’s three Stanley Cups, and Lou Lamoriello didn’t waive either of them.”

”Marc Staal is as well respected around the league as it gets. He was DeAngelo’s on-ice partner most of the past two seasons before the veteran was sent to Detroit this offseason. The pair developed a bond off the ice, as well.
“There has never been any indication at all that Tony has racist tendencies,” No. 18 told The Post. “I hear these things about him, and it’s as if they’re talking about a different person. The guys here in Detroit, they’re all super-curious about him.
“I feel bad for him, to be honest. Whether it’s the junior stuff that warps into this, I don’t know. He’s a lightning rod, and yeah, he yells at coaches and referees and he has these moments where he goes overboard, but he’s a good teammate.
“Racist? I’m telling you, some of this stuff is just insane.”

There is a narrative, too, that DeAngelo’s political beliefs were divisive in the room. There is another one that he is being persecuted for them.
“I don’t believe that,” he said.
Staal doesn’t believe it, either.
“The last few years especially, since Trump, there’s been a lot of back-and-forth from both sides in conversations within the room,” No. 18 said. “But guys never got offended. Tony doesn’t back down, that’s just who he is, but politics never became an issue on our team.”

 

[duhmetreE]

Issues between DQ and Tony (right or wrong) is what led to the whole disaster.
https://www.google.se/amp/s/nypost....er-tony-deangelo-bares-soul-in-interview/amp/

“But let’s be serious here. DeAngelo is not out of the NHL because of the tussle with Georgiev. Those things happen in pro sports. Claude Lemieux and Scott Stevens went at it bare-fisted in the Devils’ room the year preceding the first of New Jersey’s three Stanley Cups, and Lou Lamoriello didn’t waive either of them.”

”Marc Staal is as well respected around the league as it gets. He was DeAngelo’s on-ice partner most of the past two seasons before the veteran was sent to Detroit this offseason. The pair developed a bond off the ice, as well.
“There has never been any indication at all that Tony has racist tendencies,” No. 18 told The Post. “I hear these things about him, and it’s as if they’re talking about a different person. The guys here in Detroit, they’re all super-curious about him.
“I feel bad for him, to be honest. Whether it’s the junior stuff that warps into this, I don’t know. He’s a lightning rod, and yeah, he yells at coaches and referees and he has these moments where he goes overboard, but he’s a good teammate.
“Racist? I’m telling you, some of this stuff is just insane.”

There is a narrative, too, that DeAngelo’s political beliefs were divisive in the room. There is another one that he is being persecuted for them.
“I don’t believe that,” he said.
Staal doesn’t believe it, either.
“The last few years especially, since Trump, there’s been a lot of back-and-forth from both sides in conversations within the room,” No. 18 said. “But guys never got offended. Tony doesn’t back down, that’s just who he is, but politics never became an issue on our team.”

Sadly, I know this will upset a lot of people.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I’m extremely Left leaning, but the whole Tony DeAngelo situation makes no sense unless there are things behind the scene we’re not seeing. Even DeAngelos social media posts didn’t seem all that crazy compared to other people’s I’ve seen. Some of the COVID stuff wasn’t what I would say, but hardly the worst things I’ve heard. We never heard from teammates about him being a bad teammate either.

I always thought the emergence of Fox and the RHD prospect pipeline showed he had an obvious shelf life on the team and should’ve been traded, but that’s hockey related, not personal.

 

[Raspewtin]

I’m extremely Left leaning, but the whole Tony DeAngelo situation makes no sense unless there are things behind the scene we’re not seeing. Even DeAngelos social media posts didn’t seem all that crazy compared to other people’s I’ve seen. Some of the COVID stuff wasn’t what I would say, but hardly the worst things I’ve heard. We never heard from teammates about him being a bad teammate either.

I always thought the emergence of Fox and the RHD prospect pipeline showed he had an obvious shelf life on the team and should’ve been traded, but that’s hockey related, not personal.

isn't it like, face-smacking obvious that this is the case?

 

[Raspewtin]

I really don't feel strongly either way on DQ. he's a nothing coach to me. there's the Juliens/Trotzs of the world that marginally impact their teams and there's literally every other coach who's pretty much indiscernible from the rest.

I really like the changes to our defensive game a lot. the Boston game in prior years would've been way more lopsided. This team isn't gonna shoot f***ing 4% forever. Like, they absolutely have flaws but they're also in the division of doom where every team except Pitts has at least an A tier goalie. I'm optimistic.

If we get this version of Kreider for any significant time however, I'm starting his buyout go-fund-me myself. f***ing terrible.

 

[Ola]

I’m extremely Left leaning, but the whole Tony DeAngelo situation makes no sense unless there are things behind the scene we’re not seeing. Even DeAngelos social media posts didn’t seem all that crazy compared to other people’s I’ve seen. Some of the COVID stuff wasn’t what I would say, but hardly the worst things I’ve heard. We never heard from teammates about him being a bad teammate either.

I always thought the emergence of Fox and the RHD prospect pipeline showed he had an obvious shelf life on the team and should’ve been traded, but that’s hockey related, not personal.

I can speculate as much as anyone, and often its just "speculation". But in this case, lol, I think its extremely easy to read between the lines as to 1 and 2 below. Sure 3 is speculation, but come on...

1. Staal knows what happend, of course. What did Staal say? "he yells at coaches and referees and he has these moments where he goes overboard"

2. Its reported that TDA was unhappy with DQ after his double healthy scratch and being pushed deep down the line-up when he returned. This is Gorton's own words:
He was called for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in the Jan. 14 opener that coach David Quinn deemed "undisciplined" and apparently did not take the benching well.
"Tony wasn't able to move on from that," Gorton said.

So we know that Gorton set up a meeting and gave TDA an ultimatum because he wasn't "able to move on" from the double scratch and being pushed down the lineup.

So let's ask ourselves: How does a player not being able to "move on" from how his coach treated him, manifest itself to such a degree, that the GM goes to the player and gives him an ultimatum?

You don't need to be related to Sherlock Holmes to figure that out (@True Blue). He didn't speak his mind in a letter to his mother, went to see a priest that broke his duty of confidentiality and told Gorton about Tony's inner feelings nor did he show up with poppy eyes at the rink. I tell you that.

3. The above are facts. The very same facts also raises additional questions. To answer them we must speculate. I've followed sports closely for 30 years. When the GM steps in and disciplines a player for having issues with the coach, it is the same as when you read an ad for a house that is labeled as "having a lot of potential". You know that the house won't be in mint condition, it will be one of those places to which nobody have done anything for 30 years. When a GM steps in and disciplines a player for having issues with the coach -- you "know" (speculation, I know, but...) that the relationship between the players as a group and the coach isn't perfect.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

isn't it like, face-smacking obvious that this is the case?

What are you trying to say?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So if they lose Tuesday he has to go right?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

So if they lose Tuesday he has to go right?

Wrong.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Already 25% through the schedule.

Only 83 days until the season ends. I think he stays.

 

[BroadwayStorm]

So who coached the team to a top-5 offense and top-10 PP last year? Jesus? Thanos?

Thanos

 

[MysticLeviathan]

i think he has to go by the end of the season. this is the turning point year for the team. next year is when we really push to become contenders, and he’s worn out his welcome. the team has to move towards a winning culture and beinv able to compete and be successful in the playoffs.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Sadly, I know this will upset a lot of people.

it won't they just will ignore or continue believing.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

So if they lose Tuesday he has to go right?

he has to go regardless. Management is too timid and reluctant to pull the trigger.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I can speculate as much as anyone, and often its just "speculation". But in this case, lol, I think its extremely easy to read between the lines as to 1 and 2 below. Sure 3 is speculation, but come on...

1. Staal knows what happend, of course. What did Staal say? "he yells at coaches and referees and he has these moments where he goes overboard"

2. Its reported that TDA was unhappy with DQ after his double healthy scratch and being pushed deep down the line-up when he returned. This is Gorton's own words:
He was called for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in the Jan. 14 opener that coach David Quinn deemed "undisciplined" and apparently did not take the benching well.
"Tony wasn't able to move on from that," Gorton said.

So we know that Gorton set up a meeting and gave TDA an ultimatum because he wasn't "able to move on" from the double scratch and being pushed down the lineup.

So let's ask ourselves: How does a player not being able to "move on" from how his coach treated him, manifest itself to such a degree, that the GM goes to the player and gives him an ultimatum?

You don't need to be related to Sherlock Holmes to figure that out (@True Blue). He didn't speak his mind in a letter to his mother, went to see a priest that broke his duty of confidentiality and told Gorton about Tony's inner feelings nor did he show up with poppy eyes at the rink. I tell you that.

3. The above are facts. The very same facts also raises additional questions. To answer them we must speculate. I've followed sports closely for 30 years. When the GM steps in and disciplines a player for having issues with the coach, it is the same as when you read an ad for a house that is labeled as "having a lot of potential". You know that the house won't be in mint condition, it will be one of those places to which nobody have done anything for 30 years. When a GM steps in and disciplines a player for having issues with the coach -- you "know" (speculation, I know, but...) that the relationship between the players as a group and the coach isn't perfect.

All I know is that huge majority of the hockey fans and other teams' management think that there is really something to DeAngelo being a racist, a cancer, a terrible human being and a negative trade value. All that could have been avoided if Gorton handled it differently and just quietly tried to trade him. But because of the way Gorton devalued our asset like this, I don't think he is fit to be a GM. He did it once, who know when he will do something stupid again. And if ADA yelled at Quinn, good Quinn deserves it and ADA has my respect for it.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

he has to go regardless. Management is too timid and reluctant to pull the trigger.

Source?

Or are you suggesting that Gorton, Davidson and Quinn are all part of the Deep State?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

All I know is that huge majority of the hockey fans and other teams' management think that there is really something to DeAngelo being a racist, a cancer, a terrible human being and a negative trade value. All that could have been avoided if Gorton handled it differently and just quietly tried to trade him. But because of the way Gorton devalued our asset like this, I don't think he is fit to be a GM. He did it once, who know when he will do something stupid again. And if ADA yelled at Quinn, good Quinn deserves it and ADA has my respect for it.

WeNeverKnowHowTeamsWork

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Seems like the snap response to anything Rangers these days is Quinn and the kids. Quin stinks. The kids stink. The kids stink because of Quinn. Etc. etc. etc.

For me, there's 2 storylines that have emerged this season that are most important to the foreseeable future of this team

1. The defense is getting better, and quickly. Jacques Martin is doing a great job and once the roster fills out with an adequate 3rd pairing, watch out

2. Mika Zibanejad has been a tire fire so far this season. For all the arrows cast so far this season, its his play that is hurting the Rangers most right now.

 

[jay from jersey]

I can speculate as much as anyone, and often its just "speculation". But in this case, lol, I think its extremely easy to read between the lines as to 1 and 2 below. Sure 3 is speculation, but come on...

1. Staal knows what happend, of course. What did Staal say? "he yells at coaches and referees and he has these moments where he goes overboard"

2. Its reported that TDA was unhappy with DQ after his double healthy scratch and being pushed deep down the line-up when he returned. This is Gorton's own words:
He was called for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in the Jan. 14 opener that coach David Quinn deemed "undisciplined" and apparently did not take the benching well.
"Tony wasn't able to move on from that," Gorton said.

So we know that Gorton set up a meeting and gave TDA an ultimatum because he wasn't "able to move on" from the double scratch and being pushed down the lineup.

So let's ask ourselves: How does a player not being able to "move on" from how his coach treated him, manifest itself to such a degree, that the GM goes to the player and gives him an ultimatum?

You don't need to be related to Sherlock Holmes to figure that out (@True Blue). He didn't speak his mind in a letter to his mother, went to see a priest that broke his duty of confidentiality and told Gorton about Tony's inner feelings nor did he show up with poppy eyes at the rink. I tell you that.

3. The above are facts. The very same facts also raises additional questions. To answer them we must speculate. I've followed sports closely for 30 years. When the GM steps in and disciplines a player for having issues with the coach, it is the same as when you read an ad for a house that is labeled as "having a lot of potential". You know that the house won't be in mint condition, it will be one of those places to which nobody have done anything for 30 years. When a GM steps in and disciplines a player for having issues with the coach -- you "know" (speculation, I know, but...) that the relationship between the players as a group and the coach isn't perfect.

It’s more then this. ADA and Quinn haven’t liked each other since the neil Pionk days. Going into this season, Tony thought he was going to play LD, get more minutes etc. miller came in and blew the doors off with trouba. Not Tony’s fault, but now coming in fresh off a new deal he thought he had some leeway or goodwill however you want to put it, from his play last year and his new contract. Quinn did tell him at least 4 times to dial the stuff back on Twitter. Tony blew him off. Not only did Ada feel slighted, he was now fighting for playing time on third pair and Quinn took him off PP1. Fast forward to Georgi fight and the rest is history

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

All I know is that huge majority of the hockey fans and other teams' management think that there is really something to DeAngelo being a racist, a cancer, a terrible human being and a negative trade value. All that could have been avoided if Gorton handled it differently and just quietly tried to trade him. But because of the way Gorton devalued our asset like this, I don't think he is fit to be a GM. He did it once, who know when he will do something stupid again. And if ADA yelled at Quinn, good Quinn deserves it and ADA has my respect for it.

Definitely. Gorton should've went back in time and fixed all the rancid a-hole behavior before he was even a Ranger as well! Shame on you Gorton!

There's one person to blame for devaluing Tony DeAngelo's NHL value, and that person is Tony DeAngelo, who found it so important to be a daily asshole, he flushed his NHL career because of it.

 

[Synergy27]

TDA saga aside, there are now simply too many negative signs pointing to Quinn. His handling of the most prized prospects this team has ever had. Their lack of preparation to play Carolina in the bubble last year. His handling of the goaltenders. Non-stop line shuffling. His questionable comments about how many “men” this team has.

He runs the lockerroom like he’s some legendary coach imposing his vision on the plebes. Reality is that he’s a nobody.

I do really hope that they move in before it’s too late.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m still puzzled how it’s Quinns fault in anyway that DeAngelo is a raging asshole lol