Player Discussion David Quinn: Part III

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Jesper Fast

Net difference of 800k between him and JJ just let that sink in.

 

[CasusBelli]

The responsibilities of a coach to me are: a) to instill a cohesive strategic and tactical structure and sound fundamentals suited to the current roster, b) to promote a unifying culture centered on collaborative accountability, c) to instill good habits in young players and perpetuate the good habits of veterans, and d) to work with management to identify potential acquisitions and divestitures that ensure the preceding.

Have I missed anything? Anyway, I don’t see Quinn & Co doing a particularly good job of any of the above.

 

[will1066]

The responsibilities of a coach to me are: a) to instill a cohesive strategic and tactical structure and sound fundamentals suited to the current roster, b) to promote a unifying culture centered on collaborative accountability, c) to instill good habits in young players and perpetuate the good habits of veterans, and d) to work with management to identify potential acquisitions and divestitures that ensure the preceding.

Have I missed anything? Anyway, I don’t see Quinn & Co doing a particularly good job of any of the above.

You've been reading corporate mission statements?

 

[Machinehead]

Net difference of 800k between him and JJ just let that sink in.

Right? And like, if we had moved guys up and they were progressing, I get it.

Six games, and Phil Di Giuseppe is in that spot.

I like PDG and I prefer him over every 4th liner we have but he's a worse version of Fast.

The Rangers habitually make room for guys they just assume will progress and don't seem to account for the fact that holes in the lineup have residual effects on development.

Hey, now our best line doesn't work! More problems for everyone!

 

[CasusBelli]

You've been reading corporate mission statements?

And what happens when to an employee who doesn’t fulfill the obligations in the job description ... assuming, of course, he’s not a privileged New England douche working in finance who attended a target school and landed the current job due to daddy’s connections.

 

[NYR]

Here's the thing: I don't give a f*** about a game of inches in the playoffs right now.

That's not what we rebuilt for.

Well it kinda is since it's the only thing that matters lol
What did we rebuild for?
Medicrocy?

 

[Machinehead]

Well it kinda is since it's the only thing that matters lol
What did we rebuild for?
Medicrocy?

We rebuilt to have a great roster.

You can't just be ok and win the Cup because you do little things.

When you don't have the horses, it's not a game of inches. It's one team playing on begginer mode like Carolina did.

We didn't win a Cup with Hank because LA, Chicago, and Tampa were just f***ing better than us, not because of faceoffs, character, or whatever other nebulous shit we throw against the wall.

That's why we blew it up.

 

[NYSPORTS]

And what happens when to an employee who doesn’t fulfill the obligations in the job description ... assuming, of course, he’s not a privileged New England douche working in finance who attended a target school and landed the current job due to daddy’s connections.

if you’re a player, he usually signs a lucrative deal, pouts and becomes a distraction until traded.

 

[Machinehead]

Matter of fact, we beat Washington in 2015 on a set faceoff play.

And then we proceeded to go up against Tampa and get bitch slapped in three home games.

Turns out it's only a game of inches sometimes.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I'll be impressed if you can name a single instance of a star player coming into the league at 18/19 and doing nothing. Maybe Joe Thornton almost 24 years ago now?

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well, we now how two so are we winning now?

Maybe we can hope for a work stoppage and start over again lol.

ahh, too funny. Good news though, the Rangers have one win since last March

 

[NYR]

Too much focus is put on DQ, Gorton and Drury plays a very big part in this too.

We have no balance on the roster. No if’s or buts about it. It’s basic hockey. Who on each line regularly drops down to support the Ds and makes sure on a shift by shift basis that we don’t lose too many players up high?

We are comically short in that department. Our top guys at it are like Panarin, Ziba and Buch.

It’s not easy and you must play the hand you are dealt — but it’s in relation to these stuff a GM that knows what he is doing makes a rough decision that has everyone else wondering a bit at first but that makes sure that the team isn’t fundamentally flawed. Our team is like building a Formula 1 car but only buying 3 wheels.

We had one opening in the top 9, we chose a high forechecker in Gauthier. Ops we only have 3 wheels, but let’s improve the clutch first...

JG.. I've been saying that all along but nobody wanted to listen.

Much like Quinn, he has a nasty habit of waiting way to long to pull the trigger on the obvious.

Now.. After he sits on his hands, he'll have all this time and a completely different excuse where the entire roster has to learn a different system.
Excuses, excuses....

 

[Machinehead]

Also, with a summer of training, you can make a dolphin good at faceoffs.

Which makes me wonder how we're so bad at them to begin with. What the f*** do we work on over the summer? I feel like I'm watching the Mighty Ducks.

Coach Orion: "Goldberg! When's the last time you practiced?"

Goldberg: "Well, uh, we don't really practice, per se..."

 

[NYR]

We rebuilt to have a great roster.

You can't just be ok and win the Cup because you do little things.

When you don't have the horses, it's not a game of inches. It's one team playing on begginer mode like Carolina did.

We didn't win a Cup with Hank because LA, Chicago, and Tampa were just f***ing better than us, not because of faceoffs, character, or whatever other nebulous shit we throw against the wall.

That's why we blew it up.

I don't agree with any of that what so ever..
The "right" core was in place to teach the young... Gone
JG didn't utilize that core the way he should have.
Faceoffs, character..Etc count.
You aren't winning without it.
Again.. Look at the Isles.

Listen.. This special formula that you're looking to create isn't anything new.
There's a way to build a team and execute a system in a certain manor.
The game may have changed but the formula is still the f***ing same!

 

[NYR]

Stop trying to reinvent the f***ing wheel!!@

 

[Machinehead]

I don't agree with any of that what so ever..
The "right" core was in place to teach the young... Gone
JG didn't utilize that core the way he should have.
Faceoffs, character..Etc count.
You aren't winning without it.
Again.. Look at the Isles.

Listen.. This special formula that you're looking to create isn't anything new.
There's a way to build a team and execute a system in a certain manor.
The game may have changed but the formula is still the f***ing same!

"The right core was in place"

Ryan McDonagh was our best skater. He's like the 6th or 7th best skater on the team that just won the Cup.

"Look at the Isles"

Buddy, the Isles haven't won a morsel of f***ing hardware in 37 years. You're aware of that, right? And they got clowned in the ECF by an all-star team. Great example, actually.

Stop trying to reinvent the f***ing wheel!!@

Take your own advice. The team that gets off the bus with the better roster wins most games.

The little things are important when you're already great and up against great teams. You can't be a bad hockey team and "the right way" everyone to death en route to the Cup. You can't name a single team that has.

Developing talent is the only thing we should worry about right now.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

The issue is JJ shouldn't be playing at all right now. The only reason he should be playing is if one of the other D men cannot play for whatever reason.

I also don't like the constant swapping between goalies. Stick with Igor. Give him at least 3 or 4 games in a row before switching.

And figure out your f***ing lines. I get it that Fil is hurt so things have to be redone, but don't do it 8 times in the same game. Create consistency. And that's a thing when it comes to constantly switching JJ and Smith. Have set lines. Have consistency when you can.

And get each player on the line to fight hard. It doesn't help when you have a single guy fighting on the boards but the other two forwards don't bother showing any effort. Sure, it's great to see Buch fighting for the puck, but you can't win those battles if it's a 2 on 1 because Krider and Mika refuse to pitch in. We're unable to create long lasting offensive zone time because our players aren't fighting the way they should.

These things are coaching and on Quin. Sit down Mika. Sit down Paanrin. If you preach accountability, then be consistent with it. And you can start by keeping Jack Johnson out of the lineup as long as our other defensemen remain healthy.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Also, with a summer of training, you can make a dolphin good at faceoffs.

Which makes me wonder how we're so bad at them to begin with. What the f*** do we work on over the summer? I feel like I'm watching the Mighty Ducks.

Coach Orion: "Goldberg! When's the last time you practiced?"

Goldberg: "Well, uh, we don't really practice, per se..."

I'm working on it, don't worry.

 

[NYR]

"The right core was in place"

Ryan McDonagh was our best skater. He's like the 6th or 7th best skater on the team that just won the Cup.

"Look at the Isles"

Buddy, the Isles haven't won a morsel of f***ing hardware in 37 years. You're aware of that, right? And they got clowned in the ECF by an all-star team. Great example, actually.

Take your own advice. The team that gets off the bus with the better roster wins most games.

The little things are important when you're already great and up against great teams. You can't be a bad hockey team and "the right way" everyone to death en route to the Cup. You can't name a single team that has.

Developing talent is the only thing we should worry about right now.

McD won a cup while playing a top role.

The Isles made it a hell of a lot farther than the NYR with a 1st year coach and a f***ing skeleton crew.

I'm not looking to win cups with this roster just yet but I do expect it to be competitive and MAKE the playoffs.

All that said.. This roster is so much better than you think.
Insert>>New Head Coach..

And if I had my way long ago>>>Insert a Real GM

 

[NYR]

Also, with a summer of training, you can make a dolphin good at faceoffs.

Which makes me wonder how we're so bad at them to begin with. What the f*** do we work on over the summer? I feel like I'm watching the Mighty Ducks.

Coach Orion: "Goldberg! When's the last time you practiced?"

Goldberg: "Well, uh, we don't really practice, per se..."

Lol

 

[Machinehead]

McD won a cup while playing a top role.

The Isles made it a hell of a lot farther than the NYR with a 1st year coach and a f***ing skeleton crew.

I'm not looking to win cups with this roster just yet but I do expect it to be competitive and MAKE the playoffs.

All that said.. This roster is so much better than you think.
Insert>>New Head Coach..

And if I had my way long ago>>>Insert a Real GM

-No, he didn't. He wasn't even the best player on the team at his own position. No disrespect to him but that's the level it takes. The Bolts wouldn't look out place at the Olympics. That's the standard.

-Yeah, their playoff run was cute but they haven't won a Cup, Presidents Trophy, conference title, or even a division title since what, 1985? And they weren't even making the playoffs if covid doesn't happen. Sorry, guy, but "let's build a winner like those guys" is not a hill to die on.

-Ok, great. We need to get better to do that. Faceoffs might tip the scale when things are dead even, I'll give you that, but over 82 games, you need to be good. We aren't. We're 1-4-1.

-It can be if the young players step up. Zibanejad, Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin are in their primes. Fox is already good. We just got annihilated by Carolina. If the young guys on the roster don't improve, that's who we are.

-Sure, I'm not entirely against you there. If he can't develop the young talent we have, he has to go. All I'm saying is, faceoffs aren't going to make Lafreniere and Kakko elite players. The fact that we're talking about faceoffs when our two best draft picks in team history are treading water is a point of concern, not a point of encouragement.

-If the issue with development proves to go beyond the coach, then Gorton also has to go, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Last season we had Panarin, Zibanejad, DeAngelo and Strome all having career years. And even with that, we barely squeezed into a 24-team post-season.

Even if all those players replicate their career years, that alone doesn't make us better. It makes us just the same team as last year. And the Flyers, Bruins, Capitals, Penguins and Islanders were all better than us last year. We need to finish in the top-4 to make the play offs this year so we either improve, or at least 2 teams regress so much that they are a worse team than we are.

That was the situation going into the season. Now, 6 games in, we have Panarin producing at a similar pace, the other 3 are not even close. Add Kreider to that as a player who hasn't hit his form yet, Shestyorkin and Georgiev not stealing any games yet, Trouba, Lindgren, Buchnevich, Smith, Howden and Lemieux playing sort of the same.

That isn't enough to make the play offs. I don't blame Quinn solely for that, but he is responsible and this is not the first time during his tenure this team is slow to start after a break (bye week, all star break, off-season). It's a pattern. I don't think Quinn is the solution here but 6 games in, a coaching change isn't going to magically change everything. I feel we need a coach who is more experienced though. With the young team we have, you can't (IMO at least) have a young coach behind the bench as well.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

"The right core was in place"

Ryan McDonagh was our best skater. He's like the 6th or 7th best skater on the team that just won the Cup.

"Look at the Isles"

Buddy, the Isles haven't won a morsel of f***ing hardware in 37 years. You're aware of that, right? And they got clowned in the ECF by an all-star team. Great example, actually.

Take your own advice. The team that gets off the bus with the better roster wins most games.

The little things are important when you're already great and up against great teams. You can't be a bad hockey team and "the right way" everyone to death en route to the Cup. You can't name a single team that has.

Developing talent is the only thing we should worry about right now.

 

[and 99 others]

Also, with a summer of training, you can make a dolphin good at faceoffs.

I usually agree with most of your takes but this one is just horrifically bad and is clear evidence of armchair coaching/GM'ing without HaViNG pLaYeD tHE gAME.

By the time you reach the NHL you're not going to get better at faceoffs by practicing more. It's a skill you have or you don't. It's like saying, "hey Jack Johnson go jump rope 1,000x before practice every day to get faster". It's just not going to happen.

 

[duhmetreE]

We rebuilt to have a great roster.

You can't just be ok and win the Cup because you do little things.

When you don't have the horses, it's not a game of inches. It's one team playing on begginer mode like Carolina did.

We didn't win a Cup with Hank because LA, Chicago, and Tampa were just f***ing better than us, not because of faceoffs, character, or whatever other nebulous shit we throw against the wall.

That's why we blew it up.

This team does not play playoff hockey.

Thats a management issue.
GM needs to get more balance on the roster.
Coach needs to do a much better job .... you know coaching.

 

[NYR]

-No, he didn't. He wasn't even the best player on the team at his own position. No disrespect to him but that's the level it takes. The Bolts wouldn't look out place at the Olympics. That's the standard.

-Yeah, their playoff run was cute but they haven't won a Cup, Presidents Trophy, conference title, or even a division title since what, 1985? And they weren't even making the playoffs if covid doesn't happen. Sorry, guy, but "let's build a winner like those guys" is not a hill to die on.

-Ok, great. We need to get better to do that. Faceoffs might tip the scale when things are dead even, I'll give you that, but over 82 games, you need to be good. We aren't. We're 1-4-1.

-It can be if the young players step up. Zibanejad, Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin are in their primes. Fox is already good. We just got annihilated by Carolina. If the young guys on the roster don't improve, that's who we are.

-Sure, I'm not entirely against you there. If he can't develop the young talent we have, he has to go. All I'm saying is, faceoffs aren't going to make Lafreniere and Kakko elite players. The fact that we're talking about faceoffs when our two best draft picks in team history are treading water is a point of concern, not a point of encouragement.

-If the issue with development proves to go beyond the coach, then Gorton also has to go, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Bruh.. He was a big part of the solution and reached the ultimate goal.
Ahh.. I'm gonna respectfully bow out here.
You know the rest.. It's just a matter of time until you're ready to admit it.
Ultimately..We see the game in the same light and have the same goal in mind only you like to complicate things 1000x more than they need to be..