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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part III

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Chaels Arms said:
Someone asked DQ in the postgame conference why they suck at faceoffs and DQ said he doesn't pay attention to "your stats". Apparently under the Rangers in-house metrics they're actually really good at faceoffs and not the worst team in the league at them.
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Must be the same in-house metrics that prove how tremendous Jack Johnson is at hockey activities
 
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we have nothing to lose by getting rid of the David Quinn experiment. With shortened season we are way out of the playoffs and even if we miraculously make the playoffs I am not interested in another sweep.


There are some top quality coaches available. There is no reason why we should not pull the plug now. The longer they attempt to put a square peg in a round hole the worse it will look for everybody.

It is a no brainer for any team last in the standings to replace the coaching staff. This season they have to also weigh the poor tv ratings vs money lost due to firing of the coaches.

Our only win came when our goalie was crazy good and the other team did not take us too seriously after beating us 4-0.
 
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Gorton and JD both said that they were very concerned with the lack of grit during the bubble and it was an area they wanted to address.

They addressed a bit in the draft but for the current roster?

There is a disconnect with what Quinn wants and what the star players want to play. He wants straight north south. Panarin,Buch, Ziba, strome want to circle around the ice and pass East West. If the Top players arent simplifying their game. The coach says they need to simplify their game who's fault is it?

Dressing JJ and running 4 RH shots on the PP? Roast away.
 
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Rangers have removed Quinns postgame presser from the homepage. What did he say that they dont want us to hear?

Edit; its still on Twitter.
 
"Why are you guys so bad at faceoffs this year?"
DQ: "We are not bad at faceoffs, you are blind from watching stats, we are doing good on faceoffs."
 
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Not a DQ defender but attacking his faceoff quote is silly. He stated the team was abysmal at faceoffs tonight. His point, which you all are missing, was also that it's not entirely on the center to win the faceoff. If a Rangers' center pulls the draw back slightly but the other team's winger jumps in and takes the puck, that's counted as a faceoff win for the other team.

What do you want him to say? Call out specific players and say they suck at faceoffs? It's not like you can coach an NHL centerman to take better faceoffs, it's a skill that players either have or they don't. Nobody is going to dramatically improve their faceoff win % by taking more faceoffs at practice by the time they get to the NHL.
 
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The major issue is a bunch of us in here have been saying Quinn is a terrible coach for years now( go back and find last years mid season grade thread for evidence of just how little credibility the Quinn support bunch has.) The issue though is this current roster, whatever progress they may be making, is despite Quinn— not because of him. NHL players don’t respond like college guys because college guys have a loyalty to the university that extends beyond playing hockey. That allows Quinn’s message of accountability to ring true( ie if I want to play these next 4 years I better do what this guy wants.) Players in the NHL need structure, consistency and to be put in positions to succeed. Can anyone realistically say Quinn does any of that well? Aside from the fact that I can’t even tell anymore what he attempts to hold the players accountable for...

Bottom line is, I’m certain the front office and JD in particular are well aware of the better coaching options out there. I don’t think this will last much longer and could see a change by the 20 game mark if this team does not look noticeably better.
 
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SA16 said:
It's Quinn's fault that Panarin and Zibanejad are playing worse than last year? Was it to his credit that they played well last year? That's on the player. Not the coach.
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When pretty much everyone on the roster is subpar except for 1-2 players and the special teams is awful...yes the coach is responsible.

We arent talking about one or two players being bad.
 
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JHS said:
The major issue is a bunch of us in here have been saying Quinn is a terrible coach for years now( go back and find last years mid season grade thread for evidence of just how little credibility the Quinn support bunch has.) The issue though is this current roster, whatever progress they may be making, is despite Quinn— not because of him. NHL players don’t respond like college guys because college guys have a loyalty to the university that extends beyond playing hockey. That allows Quinn’s message of accountability to ring true( ie if I want to play these next 4 years I better do what this guy wants.) Players in the NHL need structure, consistency and to be put in positions to succeed. Can anyone realistically say Quinn does any of that well? Aside from the fact that I can’t even tell anymore what he attempts to hold the players accountable for...

Bottom line is, I’m certain the front office and JD in particular are well aware of the better coaching options out there. I don’t think this will last much longer and could see a change by the 20 game mark if this team does not look noticeably better.
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Quinn plays hockey as if it was a Stiga hockey board game. Have the players skate up and down the ice, and if it doesn't work swap out and mix the guys randomly. The NCAA guys may be used to it, but everybody else get a huge culture shock, especially the guys from Europe (and now Alexis). Players like Panarin and Mika get by on their talent, but it's obvious almost everyone are suffering from the weak, stereotypical coaching.

I'm not a regular Ranger fan, I watched a few games early when Kakko joined, and even I had a culture shock. It was immediately obvious Quinn is way out of his depth coaching a modern NHL team. I feel for Alexis, Kakko and the others. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the players were counting the days until they get a new coach. Quinn probably is a great guy, but this situation is like having a tone deaf conductor trying to lead an elite philharmonic orchestra.
 
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^^
My comment from over a year ago:

"Quinn feels like a throwback to the late 60s or 70s.

No real structure to the team or thought behind his approach from a puck possession pov. He relies on improvisation and personal skill from his top players and the puck breaks going his team's way. There's more to hockey than this. I'm sure he's a nice guy and all but jeez."

David Quinn: Part II
 
Kakko Schmakko said:
we have nothing to lose by getting rid of the David Quinn experiment. With shortened season we are way out of the playoffs and even if we miraculously make the playoffs I am not interested in another sweep.


There are some top quality coaches available. There is no reason why we should not pull the plug now. The longer they attempt to put a square peg in a round hole the worse it will look for everybody.

It is a no brainer for any team last in the standings to replace the coaching staff. This season they have to also weigh the poor tv ratings vs money lost due to firing of the coaches.

Our only win came when our goalie was crazy good and the other team did not take us too seriously after beating us 4-0.
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And lost their starting goalie in warmup
 
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Not a DQ defender but attacking his faceoff quote is silly. He stated the team was abysmal at faceoffs tonight. His point, which you all are missing, was also that it's not entirely on the center to win the faceoff. If a Rangers' center pulls the draw back slightly but the other team's winger jumps in and takes the puck, that's counted as a faceoff win for the other team.

What do you want him to say? Call out specific players and say they suck at faceoffs? It's not like you can coach an NHL centerman to take better faceoffs, it's a skill that players either have or they don't. Nobody is going to dramatically improve their faceoff win % by taking more faceoffs at practice by the time they get to the NHL.
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Beat me to it.
 
I usually judge HCs in any sport at the Year 3 mark. I feel that’s more than enough time to properly evaluate whether you have the right guy. I don’t fault Quinn for the entire bad start but he’s a major part of it. The team looks like they are leaving off in the same spot as they did in the return play last year. The pandemic isn’t an excuse. Every other team is facing the same challenges. This team no longer has a talent devoid excuse, either. Panarin, Zibs, Kreider, a former #2 overall pick, the #1 overall pick, young talent Dmen, etc.

You can’t fire the players so the only thing left is to making a coaching change and hope it changes things. If this team continues to struggle over the next 5 games you have to make a move. We have seen it time and time again of HC changes mid season and teams play completely different.
 
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Jayan said:
"Why are you guys so bad at faceoffs this year?"
DQ: "We are not bad at faceoffs, you are blind from watching stats, we are doing good on faceoffs."
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Is this an actual quote? If so this is the demeanor of a coach who is about to get fired.
 
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