We have Lafreniere, who has been HYPED for years and should have had a big impact right away. We have Panarin, ZBad, Kreider, Kakko, Trouba, Igor all looking terrible. This team should absolutely not be performing at such an abysmal level. Sorry, but when Jack Johnson gets more ice time than Miller, even if you give Quinn one more chance, even after a win you know he’s going to continue this terrible line management. Quinn has to go.
Player Discussion David Quinn: Part III
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Quinn is a major problem, how anyone can't see that we are oozing with talent and not producing on the ice is beyond me. Just ask "what is our identity as a team, what is our culture?" Honestly I have no answer to that question. We have no leader in the locker room, no Captain and now I am thinking we have no leader behind the bench. Who's fault is that? Who ARE the 2001 Rangers? I don't know and its not my high paid job to know. I think he is over his head, grasping for straws, swapping lines in the the first period of the first game, messing with young player's confidence. We anointed Shesty on way too small body of work last year, it went to his head and now we have no clue if we even have a #1. George doesn't seem that much better or more consistent. WE have so many promising pieces, we can blame the higher priced talent for not showing up - Pannarin, Mika, Kreider but if that happens, who needs to motivate them??? I am super disappointed, get a Captain AND a Coach to lead this team.
I'm down with that for sure. I mean you can blame Gorton for a bunch, we are weak down the middle I mean if you told me last year MSG broadcasters would be saying how devastating the loss of Chytil is to us as our best CENTER just went down for 4-6 weeks I would be alarmed - and my Dad is from the Czech Republic so I am a fan but still ALARMED. And maybe we have done a crappy job of balancing the natural mix or right and left handed forwards also. But look beyond that and this "team" has not been molded into that.
Crease
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Does any coach on the planet mix up lines as frequently as Quinn. New lines after a bad period. New lines after every loss. I wouldn’t be able to
deal with that as a player.
deal with that as a player.
Spot on. We win tonight if Geo does the job. Everyone played well tonight except him. So frustrating that he let us down.
This isnt a serious take right?
I mean it cant be.
Did you see the goals Buffalo scored tonight?
How about we start with not playing Jack Johnson anymore and go from there. Maybe insert Gauthier back into the lineup since our offense has been mediocre. And maybe have a coach who can get the most out of all his players, especially the veterans right now. And a Coach who can implement a system that swallows up the neutral zone and shuts a team down when it has a lead. I mean these are just a few items among many.
SA16
Sixstring
The coaching has been mostly fine. The main issues have been the goaltending has been poor and the top players aren't playing well enough. That is not on the coach. Jack Johnson being in the lineup is on the coach as well as management. That one is definitely his doing. But in terms of overall structure and play I think they have been much better than last year.
I completely disagree on these topics. In fact, I couldnt disagree more. We are so far off in our opinion on these issues.
I was not serious.
I have been very adamant that with the talent this team has we should not look like this. I think the coach is a poor x and o guy but there is more to this. Something is rotten in the room. He has lost the team. He needs to go.
Wish we could replace Quinn with Sir Avgard: Hockey Professor
Chaels Arms
Formerly Lias Andersson
Someone asked DQ in the postgame conference why they suck at faceoffs and DQ said he doesn't pay attention to "your stats". Apparently under the Rangers in-house metrics they're actually really good at faceoffs and not the worst team in the league at them.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
Honestly I have a mix of emotions right now.
Damn I’m happy to have hockey back. Better than nothing.
Shit this team sucks.
Wow at least Miller and Fox look outstanding.
Jesus why do all the other young forward talent around the league seem to be killing it and our top picks are just... Meh?
DQ changing the lineup again. Let’s go for the 34th possible combination on Thursday.
Maybe no camp and preseason is screwing us? This team is really young...
But shouldn’t they be young and stupid and fast?
Speaking of Fast... Not a good decision letting him go.
Calder trophy? How about a win and a point first?
Well they could really have 4-6 points right now... right?
Jack Johnson? Huh?
Another shot at the lottery? What does Tankathon say?
Shit this team sucks.
Damn I’m happy to have hockey back. Better than nothing.
Shit this team sucks.
Wow at least Miller and Fox look outstanding.
Jesus why do all the other young forward talent around the league seem to be killing it and our top picks are just... Meh?
DQ changing the lineup again. Let’s go for the 34th possible combination on Thursday.
Maybe no camp and preseason is screwing us? This team is really young...
But shouldn’t they be young and stupid and fast?
Speaking of Fast... Not a good decision letting him go.
Calder trophy? How about a win and a point first?
Well they could really have 4-6 points right now... right?
Jack Johnson? Huh?
Another shot at the lottery? What does Tankathon say?
Shit this team sucks.
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NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
What he said sounded about right to me: the way faceoffs are counted as a binary "win" or "loss" doesn't make a ton of sense, because you can lose a draw and still muck it up, get in their way, win the puck right back. But tonight was different because they really were losing most of them 100% cleanly, especially in key situations.
Chaels Arms
Formerly Lias Andersson
I don't think discrepancies in the stat keeping or stat definition are enough to bring them from last place (they are 31st in FOW percentage) to being "very good" as Quinn seems to believe.
I don’t know if it really matters if it’s Quinn at this point. You can’t fire the whole team. We can’t really get worse results than we have over the past ten games or so, and we don’t really “risk” anything by changing coaches or letting Martin be interim. We miss the playoffs? Looking likely anyway.
Quinn may or may not be a “development coach”. We have mixed results to go by. He certainly isn’t the ONLY coach capable of developing players though, and I’m fairly certain that there’s not many coaches out there that would do a noticeably worse, or less noteworthy job with our prized youth. At the same time, he isn’t teaching them, or anyone, how to play any specific system or doing a good job as a motivator. It certainly looks like some guys may have tuned him out. May not be the case, but it’s getting there optically.
I have noticed that of all the rookies Quinn has handled - so not DeAngelo and Buch - the only ones who have really thrived are NCAA guys. Laf, KK, Chytil, Howden, Lias, Hajek, Shesty, Fox, Miller, Lindgren. Only the three NCAA guys at the end of the list have been shown a lot of trust and confidence from Quinn. Yes, Chytil looked to be turning a corner here in year 3, and yes, Shesterkin’s initial run was great, but then Quinn went to Henrik for the first two games of the play-ins and Georgiev in games 2, 3 and 6 so far this year and we haven’t seen Shesterkin’s confidence or swagger much since those first 12 games. All of the non-NCAA guys seem to struggle a lot with confidence and finding THEIR game in the NHL. All of the NCAA guys seem to step right into trust and success. That’s probably a coincidence but it bears mentioning.
Either way, I don’t think Quinn can do a whole lot more for this team. We need a structure and system. We need better preparation and we probably need more experience. We’ve long said Quinn would help us through some developmental years but wouldn’t be the coach when we were ready to compete. Well we’re certainly not ready to compete, but while Quinn - again - MAY BE decent/good with player development he certainly isn’t the end all be all and the team is looking the worst it has in quite a while.
Moreover, I’d rather gamble on a coaching change and see it have no effect on Laf/KK’s production than take the chance that Quinn is actually ruining their confidence or somehow stunting their development. They were both supposed to be among the most “NHL ready” guys in their draft classes, with NHL size, who dominated at the previous level and both have been tentative and underwhelming so far. Kakko is looking IMPROVED, but hardly like a potential cornerstone piece just yet. I’d gladly roll the dice on another coach and take the odds on those two looking better, than stand pat if there’s even a chance it could have a negative impact on their development.
Quinn may or may not be a “development coach”. We have mixed results to go by. He certainly isn’t the ONLY coach capable of developing players though, and I’m fairly certain that there’s not many coaches out there that would do a noticeably worse, or less noteworthy job with our prized youth. At the same time, he isn’t teaching them, or anyone, how to play any specific system or doing a good job as a motivator. It certainly looks like some guys may have tuned him out. May not be the case, but it’s getting there optically.
I have noticed that of all the rookies Quinn has handled - so not DeAngelo and Buch - the only ones who have really thrived are NCAA guys. Laf, KK, Chytil, Howden, Lias, Hajek, Shesty, Fox, Miller, Lindgren. Only the three NCAA guys at the end of the list have been shown a lot of trust and confidence from Quinn. Yes, Chytil looked to be turning a corner here in year 3, and yes, Shesterkin’s initial run was great, but then Quinn went to Henrik for the first two games of the play-ins and Georgiev in games 2, 3 and 6 so far this year and we haven’t seen Shesterkin’s confidence or swagger much since those first 12 games. All of the non-NCAA guys seem to struggle a lot with confidence and finding THEIR game in the NHL. All of the NCAA guys seem to step right into trust and success. That’s probably a coincidence but it bears mentioning.
Either way, I don’t think Quinn can do a whole lot more for this team. We need a structure and system. We need better preparation and we probably need more experience. We’ve long said Quinn would help us through some developmental years but wouldn’t be the coach when we were ready to compete. Well we’re certainly not ready to compete, but while Quinn - again - MAY BE decent/good with player development he certainly isn’t the end all be all and the team is looking the worst it has in quite a while.
Moreover, I’d rather gamble on a coaching change and see it have no effect on Laf/KK’s production than take the chance that Quinn is actually ruining their confidence or somehow stunting their development. They were both supposed to be among the most “NHL ready” guys in their draft classes, with NHL size, who dominated at the previous level and both have been tentative and underwhelming so far. Kakko is looking IMPROVED, but hardly like a potential cornerstone piece just yet. I’d gladly roll the dice on another coach and take the odds on those two looking better, than stand pat if there’s even a chance it could have a negative impact on their development.
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SA16
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It's Quinn's fault that Panarin and Zibanejad are playing worse than last year? Was it to his credit that they played well last year? That's on the player. Not the coach.
BobMarleyNYR
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We all blamed Trouba's struggles last year on Ruff's defensive system, if you could even call it that.
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that's an interesting observation....
how does a NCAA system differ from CHL? would CHL be playing more of a NHL type system?
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