Player Discussion David Quinn: Part III

[Inferno]

I know many don't think this is a problem, but I think it is.
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These kids need a chance to play to their strength and develop. Kakko played well last game, no reward for it.

Except this is another bullshit statementlast game howden played 17 seconds on the pp. Kakko played 1:48

 

[True Blue]

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but he’s had one win in his last 6 games as Rangers coach and the 5 losses have all been disastrous. Not to mention that the most important thing for this team is the development of our top prospects which isn’t happening under Quinn.

As far as I am concerned it is pretty assinine to tack on the bubble to the start of this year. What happened in the bubble was unprecedented and came at an unprecedented time and under unprecedented conditions.

They lost the first two games of the year. That is all that has happened.

Everyone's latest darling Trotz lost 6 of the first 10 games when he won the Cup with the caps. That was a slightly better winning percentage than what Quinn has now. Perhaps he should have been fired that season for such a slow start?

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but he’s had one win in his last 6 games as Rangers coach and the 5 losses have all been disastrous. Not to mention that the most important thing for this team is the development of our top prospects which isn’t happening under Quinn.

I wouldn’t say last night was a disastrous loss. Disappointing? Yes. But it’s a game we could have and should have won, which is anything but a disastrous loss. Game 1 was a disastrous loss as were the 3 bubble games. This game was frustrating in he kept putting Strome out when he’s looked like dogshit, yet kept Kakko and Chytil on the bench instead of replacing Strome with one of them. That’s what’s pissing me off.

 

[Inferno]

Kakko played well and was rewarded with pp time and good es ice time.

The fact that it isn't enough for some ppl is kinda mind boggling

Everyone wants accountability except for when it comes to certain players.

I'm Tony deangelos biggest fan...but what he did deserved a benching especially in the context of his history.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

I'm Tony deangelos biggest fan...but what he did deserved a benching especially in the context of his history.

Disagree. You play the players who not only give you the best chance to win, but create a glue. TDA objectively helps our offense. He’s a playmaker and driver. Having him out there in the offensive zone takes pressure off others. It’s not like his teammates dislike him either. Bench him for a period, fine, but early on in the season where we’ll still building chemistry and trying to make consistency with lines and combinations, it’s a bad idea to have TDA sit out an entire game. Now when he comes back you have to entirely shuffle the defensive pairings yet again and now the PP units have to be redone. It doesn’t help the players to constantly mess around with the lines unnecessarily.

 

[Raspewtin]

Except that's complete and utter bullshit with zero context.

Kakko has more estoi than kreider and mika


He had only had 2 and a half fewer es minutes than pavel buchnevich...the #1 rw

Pulling out bullshit stats like this with no context always aggravates me.

Kakko doesn't kill penalties and does not and should not play on the top pp unit.

He played plenty and was effective for the most part when he did.

Why are we making an issue here when there isn't one?

This tweet was true when it was posted at the end of the 2nd period, I believe.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

As far as I am concerned it is pretty assinine to tack on the bubble to the start of this year. What happened in the bubble was unprecedented and came at an unprecedented time and under unprecedented conditions.

They lost the first two games of the year. That is all that has happened.

Everyone's latest darling Trotz lost 6 of the first 10 games when he won the Cup with the caps. That was a slightly better winning percentage than what Quinn has now. Perhaps he should have been fired that season for such a slow start?

Nothing about the conditions of the bubble afforded them an excuse for being embarrassed the way that they were, where the coach specifically pointed out that they were "ready," and also goes to the point you made about people not showing up after wins - he hasn't had many wins in his last few games coached, and the losses are STRIKINGLY similar.

Trotz's 2018 Capitals team has absolutely f*** all to do with us. They were not in any way a rebuilding team, and Trotz wasn't brought in there to develop Ovechkin. So the situations are absolutely apples and oranges.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Good morning to everyone!

Except David Quinn, f*** David Quinn.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I wouldn’t say last night was a disastrous loss. Disappointing? Yes. But it’s a game we could have and should have won, which is anything but a disastrous loss. Game 1 was a disastrous loss as were the 3 bubble games. This game was frustrating in he kept putting Strome out when he’s looked like dogshit, yet kept Kakko and Chytil on the bench instead of replacing Strome with one of them. That’s what’s pissing me off.

In my mind when you lose to the Devils and the guy drafted ahead of Kakko is showboating on you (with good cause) then that is a disastrous loss to me.

And 100% on your last point, that is the major issue with Quinn. He's trying to win at all costs without realizing why he's here in the first place. He's like a bizzaro-torts: Torts tries to win by grinding the game and his players out to their detriment, Quinn tries to win the game by playing his worst players more than his most valuable prospects to win at all cost. It's insane. He's gotta be gone and quick.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Kakko played well and was rewarded with pp time and good es ice time.

The fact that it isn't enough for some ppl is kinda mind boggling

Everyone wants accountability except for when it comes to certain players.

I'm Tony deangelos biggest fan...but what he did deserved a benching especially in the context of his history.

Kakko shouldn't have to be rewarded with PP time over some of the other guys he's got out there. I don't care if Kakko pulls out a train set and starts playing with it on the ice, theres no way he should be getting less ice time than Howden.

It's tough for a guy to gain accountability when he hasn't even gotten a shot at it.

 

[True Blue]

Nothing about the conditions of the bubble afforded them an excuse for being embarrassed the way that they were, where the coach specifically pointed out that they were "ready," and also goes to the point you made about people not showing up after wins - he hasn't had many wins in his last few games coached, and the losses are STRIKINGLY similar.

Last night's loss looked NOTHING like the losses to the 'Canes in the bubble.

Was the team embarrassed in the bubble? Absolutely. But it came at such an insane time and circumstances, that I am not going use it as a barometer for anything.

Trotz's 2018 Capitals team has absolutely f*** all to do with us. They were not in any way a rebuilding team, and Trotz wasn't brought in there to develop Ovechkin. So the situations are absolutely apples and oranges.

The situation is about wins and losses and making snap judgments 3 friggin' games into the season. 3 games in and already "the kids are not developing"? That is just as short sighted as making judgements about Tampa last year after 3 games when they started 1-2.

 

[haveandare]

In my mind when you lose to the Devils and the guy drafted ahead of Kakko is showboating on you (with good cause) then that is a disastrous loss to me.

And 100% on your last point, that is the major issue with Quinn. He's trying to win at all costs without realizing why he's here in the first place. He's like a bizzaro-torts: Torts tries to win by grinding the game and his players out to their detriment, Quinn tries to win the game by playing his worst players more than his most valuable prospects to win at all cost. It's insane. He's gotta be gone and quick.

They had 50 shots and Hughes had 3 points, two of which were gimmes. That’s not “showboating all over” unless you’re really looking to make a disaster out of a normal occurrence.

The rangers outplayed the devils last night by a significant margin and their goalie was hot. It happens literally all the time - it happened to our benefit about a dozen times last season.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Last night's loss looked NOTHING like the losses to the 'Canes in the bubble.

Was the team embarrassed in the bubble? Absolutely. But it came at such an insane time and circumstances, that I am not going use it as a barometer for anything.

The situation is about wins and losses and making snap judgments 3 friggin' games into the season. 3 games in and already "the kids are not developing"? That is just as short sighted as making judgements about Tampa last year after 3 games when they started 1-2.

Let's stop with the 3 games stuff. Quinn has had these issues with this team since he's started, and nothing he's done in his short short career as an NHL head coach has afforded him ANY benefit of the doubt. Again, Tampa =/= Us. Tampa WAS NOT a rebuilding team whose focus is making sure their young players become stars. Their players are already stars. Please, if you are going to try to compare us to another team starting out slow, at least pick one that is/was in the same situation as us.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

They had 50 shots and Hughes had 3 points, two of which were gimmes. That’s not “showboating all over” unless you’re really looking to make a disaster out of a normal occurrence.

The rangers outplayed the devils last night by a significant margin and their goalie was hot. It happens literally all the time - it happened to our benefit about a dozen times last season.

Who cares if they were gimmies or they weren't? They all score the same on the scoresheet.

The fact is that kid has 6 points in his first 3 games and seems to be playing great and getting lots of ice time under Lindy. He's absolutely being given the benefit of the doubt by his coach and it's working for him. Our coach wouldn't give a player the benefit of the doubt unless his starts with "H" and ends with "OWDEN."

 

[True Blue]

Quinn tries to win the game by playing his worst players more than his most valuable prospects to win at all cost. It's insane. He's gotta be gone and quick.

I am not really sure where you are going with this. What are your examples?

By most valuable prospects, my brilliant powers of detection tell me that you are speaking about Lafreniere and Kakko. So what worst players are playing ahead of them? Which wings should not be ahead of them? Are centers the issue? Should Kakko be killing penalties like Howden? Both Lafreniere and Kakko played over 14 minutes? Should they take time away from Panarin, Kreider or Buchnevich? Should Lafreniere and Kakko take Howden's & Lemieux's PK time? Is that what you are howling about? Quinn played the top PP unit about as much as any other coach in the league did. So what worst players on the team did Quinn play more than Lafreniere and Kakko?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kakko played well and was rewarded with pp time and good es ice time.

The fact that it isn't enough for some ppl is kinda mind boggling

Everyone wants accountability except for when it comes to certain players.

I'm Tony deangelos biggest fan...but what he did deserved a benching especially in the context of his history.

The issue is that there is only accountability for certain players, it doesn't apply across the roster.

Exhibit A: Ryan Strome, who played about as bad a game last night as he has since he's been here but still ended up with 21+ minutes and LOADS of PP time even though he single handedly killed a bunch of them.

 

[True Blue]

Let's stop with the 3 games stuff.

I am not the one having a meldown after 3 games.

Quinn has had these issues with this team since he's started, and nothing he's done in his short short career as an NHL head coach has afforded him ANY benefit of the doubt.

Last year's overachievement and kids playing such vital and big roles did nothing for you, huh?

Again, Tampa =/= Us. Tampa WAS NOT a rebuilding team whose focus is making sure their young players become stars. Their players are already stars. Please, if you are going to try to compare us to another team starting out slow, at least pick one that is/was in the same situation as us.

And again, the won - loss was about making snap judgements. There are star players here as well. As well as star players in the making.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Except this is another bullshit statementlast game howden played 17 seconds on the pp. Kakko played 1:48

Except that most of the pp time kakko got was in that last sequence when Mika got hurt.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I am not really sure where you are going with this. What are your examples?

By most valuable prospects, my brilliant powers of detection tell me that you are speaking about Lafreniere and Kakko. So what worst players are playing ahead of them? Which wings should not be ahead of them? Are centers the issue? Should Kakko be killing penalties like Howden? Both Lafreniere and Kakko played over 14 minutes? Should they take time away from Panarin, Kreider or Buchnevich? Should Lafreniere and Kakko take Howden's & Lemieux's PK time? Is that what you are howling about? Quinn played the top PP unit about as much as any other coach in the league did. So what worst players on the team did Quinn play more than Lafreniere and Kakko?

It's clear you don't know where I'm going with this, I am asking you for examples. You keep comparing our starts to the slow starts of teams that were cup contenders at the beginning of their seasons. That ain't us.

 

[True Blue]

Who cares if they were gimmies or they weren't? They all score the same on the scoresheet.

Perhaps Georgive should have had better positioning, no?

The fact is that kid has 6 points in his first 3 games and seems to be playing great and getting lots of ice time under Lindy. He's absolutely being given the benefit of the doubt by his coach and it's working for him. Our coach wouldn't give a player the benefit of the doubt unless his starts with "H" and ends with "OWDEN."

An example please of where Howden was afforded more opportunity last night than either Kakko or Lafreniere, if you do not mind.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I am not the one having a meldown after 3 games.

Last year's overachievement and kids playing such vital and big roles did nothing for you, huh?

And again, the won - loss was about making snap judgements. There are star players here as well. As well as star players in the making.

That overachievement really showed up in the bubble, huh? Really showing up now, huh?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Perhaps Georgive should have had better positioning, no?

An example please of where Howden was afforded more opportunity last night than either Kakko or Lafreniere, if you do not mind.

Watch the games without your "I HEART DAVID QUINN" glasses on and it's pretty clear to see.

 

[True Blue]

It's clear you don't know where I'm going with this, I am asking you for examples. You keep comparing our starts to the slow starts of teams that were cup contenders at the beginning of their seasons. That ain't us.

Where I am going with this it two fold. First of all the rush to judgement after 3 games. Second of all, I would like for you to give examples of Quinn using the teams worst players ahead of Kakko or Lafreniere.

 

[True Blue]

Watch the games without your "I HEART DAVID QUINN" glasses on and it's pretty clear to see.

So no, you actually cannot site any examples whatsoever to support your claims? Which, by nature, makes your claims to be rants as opposed to a thought out analysis.

 

[leetch99]

I have some concern over bringing in an almost 70 year old Defensive Coach who brought an over the hill terrible guy to patch our D ....with him . With all the money the organization has....is he the guy you think is the best for the task or is there nobody out there interested ? We have a TON of young D....how do we want to start them out ???