Player Discussion David Quinn: Part III

[TC82]

Quinn's poor handling of well liked ADA's recent benching probably didn't go over too well with the other players.
His allocation of minutes with the young talent is bad for there development. Look at Hughes flying around all night. Some mistakes but never a question on what his role is moving forward. Kakko needs minutes. Is he gliding too much? Yes...but he has to be out there till he gets it. Ridiculous with how he sticks with Strome when we need to find out about Filip as 2C. Laf on his off wing? ADA LD then benched? Top 6 in what ever fashion has to include Bread Mika Buch............ Laf Filip K2..its not brain surgery

If you just keep hammering a square peg into a round hole, at some point the peg is going to break and it's no good for anything anymore. Or you get it in, but after doing damage to the peg. It's still a square peg.

There's zero confidence in Kakko's game at the moment and it's not going to get better by having him watch how Brett Howden is given the candy for dumping the puck in. It'll be interesting to see how DeAngelo plays when he comes back. Yes, he's not good defensively but he can create and support odd-man rushes the other way etc. If Quinn's trying to reign him in then it will be another case of modling someone into a role you want them to be regardless of their attributes.

 

[Inferno]

I thought kakko played really well in the first and then was uneven after that.

I have no problem with kakko playing 14 mins with the way he played.
He played well enough but not amazing.

His first was really strong tho.

 

[TC82]

I thought kakko played really well in the first and then was uneven after that.

I have no problem with kakko playing 14 mins with the way he played.
He played well enough but not amazing.

His first was really strong tho.

The problem for Kaapo and also for Chytil seems to be that they start off well, then the penalties start coming both ways and they don't see the ice anymore. Bread, Mika, Kreider, Strome etc. play the PPs, which throws off the rhythm of everyone else and it's hard to get back into the game flow again.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Quinn's poor handling of well liked ADA's recent benching probably didn't go over too well with the other players.
His allocation of minutes with the young talent is bad for there development. Look at Hughes flying around all night. Some mistakes but never a question on what his role is moving forward. Kakko needs minutes. Is he gliding too much? Yes...but he has to be out there till he gets it. Ridiculous with how he sticks with Strome when we need to find out about Filip as 2C. Laf on his off wing? ADA LD then benched? Top 6 in what ever fashion has to include
Bread Mika Buch............ Laf Filip K2......its not brain surgery...PS they haven't played in a long time it should be easy to give these 6 minutes close to 20 minutes each and let them learn to play.

There are a lot of issues with this team, this isn't one of them.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I thought kakko played really well in the first and then was uneven after that.

I have no problem with kakko playing 14 mins with the way he played.
He played well enough but not amazing.

His first was really strong tho.

There's no reward for starting a game strong for him though. That's probably what frustrates fans about this. Kakko was easily the best Ranger in the 1st, and if a coach is juggling as much as Quinn does, you'd expect him to reward that performance with more ice-time, like he does with others. But no. Kakko was invisible in the 2nd period because Quinn sticks to this ridiculous idea of 4 right-handed shots on PP1, and with a bunch of powerplays in the 2nd period that eats into everyone else's ice-time.

 

[IDvsEGO]

There's no reward for starting a game strong for him though. That's probably what frustrates fans about this. Kakko was easily the best Ranger in the 1st, and if a coach is juggling as much as Quinn does, you'd expect him to reward that performance with more ice-time, like he does with others. But no. Kakko was invisible in the 2nd period because Quinn sticks to this ridiculous idea of 4 right-handed shots on PP1, and with a bunch of powerplays in the 2nd period that eats into everyone else's ice-time.

its not just kakko, chytil was absolutely fantastic and got 0 powerplay minutes. The line at even strength was caving the devils in, and you'd expect them to be rewarded with extra shifts, but by the third they'd gotten the least amount of ice time across fowards.
Quinns words and actions tell two different stories. He says he rewards good play, and demotes bad play. What he does is reward players he likes with good play, and punish players he doesnt like with bad play.
That has to piss off the players not in his favorites list. To absolutely outperform someone and see someone else moved up over you.

 

[Inferno]

The rangers power play was what... 2 for 3? Or something like that at that point?

Kakko was on pp2...no coach in the world is breaking up a power play that was clearly clicking because 1 player on pp2 is going well.

We all love kakko...except @KirkAlbuquerque but come on guys try to have some semblance of common sense when we complain about stuff.

If you want to complain about his even strength time or moving up in the lineup after that..I'm right there with you. When I saw him and chytil jumping early I would have moved him up the lineup and I would have moved lafreniere and strome down.

But I would not have changed a power play that was clearly working.


Also if strome is coming off that pp...buchnevich is the guy going on...and he deserves it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There's no reward for starting a game strong for him though. That's probably what frustrates fans about this. Kakko was easily the best Ranger in the 1st, and if a coach is juggling as much as Quinn does, you'd expect him to reward that performance with more ice-time, like he does with others. But no. Kakko was invisible in the 2nd period because Quinn sticks to this ridiculous idea of 4 right-handed shots on PP1, and with a bunch of powerplays in the 2nd period that eats into everyone else's ice-time.

I agree about getting a lefty on that pp instead of strome but i don't believe that guy is Kakko, its Lafreniere.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The rangers power play was what... 2 for 3? Or something like that at that point?

Kakko was on pp2...no coach in the world is breaking up a power play that was clearly clicking because 1 player on pp2 is going well.

We all love kakko...except @KirkAlbuquerque but come on guys try to have some semblance of common sense when we complain about stuff.

If you want to complain about his even strength time or moving up in the lineup after that..I'm right there with you. When I saw him and chytil jumping early I would have moved him up the lineup and I would have moved lafreniere and strome down.

But I would not have changed a power play that was clearly working.


Also if strome is coming off that pp...buchnevich is the guy going on...and he deserves it.

I have no problem saying pp1 was/is clicking. But you dont give a pp 2 full minutes. Im sorry, there is a point where staying on the ice longer doesn't help. Also how do you know how pp2 would do if you never give them more than 30 seconds to set up? If you condition guys like kk and laf to think they have to score in 15 seconds then they'll rush plays.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

its not just kakko, chytil was absolutely fantastic and got 0 powerplay minutes. The line at even strength was caving the devils in, and you'd expect them to be rewarded with extra shifts, but by the third they'd gotten the least amount of ice time across fowards.
Quinns words and actions tell two different stories. He says he rewards good play, and demotes bad play. What he does is reward players he likes with good play, and punish players he doesnt like with bad play.
That has to piss off the players not in his favorites list. To absolutely outperform someone and see someone else moved up over you.

Referring to this?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I agree about getting a lefty on that pp instead of strome but i don't believe that guy is Kakko, its Lafreniere.

I mean, pick one. You have 2 elite prospects. A 2nd overall pick and a 1st overall pick and they're buried in a line-up that doesn't get the job done.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Referring to this?

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Not sure what that tweets being brought up? I noticed a lack of time in but then shayna tweeted it.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I mean, pick one. You have 2 elite prospects. A 2nd overall pick and a 1st overall pick and they're buried in a line-up that doesn't get the job done.

I mean if you want to reward someone based on pure play I say chytil gets moved up.

 

[Sayba]

I've always thought this board has been too harsh on coaches. I supported all of the coaches and never wanted any of them to get fired going back to Glen Sather.

David Quinn needs to go, he is not a NHL level coach.

 

[SA16]

There's no reward for starting a game strong for him though. That's probably what frustrates fans about this. Kakko was easily the best Ranger in the 1st, and if a coach is juggling as much as Quinn does, you'd expect him to reward that performance with more ice-time, like he does with others. But no. Kakko was invisible in the 2nd period because Quinn sticks to this ridiculous idea of 4 right-handed shots on PP1, and with a bunch of powerplays in the 2nd period that eats into everyone else's ice-time.

That's because Quinn's line juggling is a myth. He barely changed the lines at all last year. The ridiculous 4 RHS PP1 was the best PP in the league after Jan last year and scored 2 PPG yesterday.

 

[True Blue]

I see that the assortment of Quinn trolls are back and employed after a loss. Funny how they never manage to show up after wins.

 

[TC82]

I've always thought this board has been too harsh on coaches. I supported all of the coaches and never wanted any of them to get fired going back to Glen Sather.

David Quinn needs to go, he is not a NHL level coach.

Agreed. I mean even the Ron Low Rangers were playing great until Lindros got concussed in San Jose in December 2001 and Low was terrible.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I've always thought this board has been too harsh on coaches. I supported all of the coaches and never wanted any of them to get fired going back to Glen Sather.

David Quinn needs to go, he is not a NHL level coach.

David Quinn is just bitter that he never made the NHL and wants to ruin it for other young players

 

[Ola]

I know many don't think this is a problem, but I think it is.

These kids need a chance to play to their strength and develop. Kakko played well last game, no reward for it.

 

[SA16]

PP1 Usage by Team so far:

EDM	83.87%
CHI	80.76%
CGY	78.66%
WSH	77.51%
DET	77.07%
VAN	76.88%
OTT	74.84%
WPG	74.57%
BOS	73.38%
FLA	72.99%
NYR	69.79%
TOR	68.43%
CAR	68.26%
T.B	66.45%
PIT	66.43%
MIN	66.37%
L.A	64.89%
ANA	63.82%
BUF	63.22%
N.J	63.05%
S.J	62.11%
VGK	61.99%
COL	60.53%
CBJ	58.37%
MTL	56.70%
STL	55.62%
NYI	54.74%
ARI	53.48%
NSH	52.60%
PHI	52.51%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The Rangers giving insane PP1 usage is not even real. The Average so far this year is 66.7%. They are barely above it. They have normal usage.

 

[Ola]

I see that the assortment of Quinn trolls are back and employed after a loss. Funny how they never manage to show up after wins.

I think he is given way too much of a slack due to the "rebuild". He has one of the top dynamic offensive duos in the entire NHL. He plays with three vets on the blueline, Fox and Lindgren are good Ds. The only thing that even remotely work are those vets. The kids aren't producing, very little development. Buch? Maybe, at the same time the level of play he is at today isn't exactly remarkable in any shape or form compared to where he was when DQ came here. He has followed his curve.

I like many things about Quinn. He is a breath of fresh air with many of his roster decisions. But I do think that it is an unacceptable problem that he just do not get what is going to work on the ice and what is not going to work. That won't do anyone any good.

 

[True Blue]

I like many things about Quinn. He is a breath of fresh air with many of his roster decisions. But I do think that it is an unacceptable problem that he just do not get what is going to work on the ice and what is not going to work. That won't do anyone any good.

I thought that hitting the panic button after one game was too soon. I think that coming to conclusions after 3 games is still too soon.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I see that the assortment of Quinn trolls are back and employed after a loss. Funny how they never manage to show up after wins.

I don’t know if you’ve noticed but he’s had one win in his last 6 games as Rangers coach and the 5 losses have all been disastrous. Not to mention that the most important thing for this team is the development of our top prospects which isn’t happening under Quinn.

 

[Inferno]

Referring to this?

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Except that's complete and utter bullshit with zero context.

Kakko has more estoi than kreider and mika


He had only had 2 and a half fewer es minutes than pavel buchnevich...the #1 rw

Pulling out bullshit stats like this with no context always aggravates me.

Kakko doesn't kill penalties and does not and should not play on the top pp unit.

He played plenty and was effective for the most part when he did.

Why are we making an issue here when there isn't one?

 

[East Coast Bias]

"Quinn is an idiot who isn't playing Howden enough" is not something I ever expected to hear