Player Discussion: David Jiricek

[57special]

Dean would have a lot of insight on most of the MN players and prospects, with the exception of Buium.

 

[Viqsi]

It is what it is and I'll get over it because every situation is different and whatever but I'm tired of being a place from which a player wants a fresh start.

Compare and contrast: we are the fresh start for Fabbro.

So long as it's going both ways, I can mostly deal. Mostly.

 

[JacketFanInFL]

Jiricek was not drafted by this new regime they don't have any special connection to him. Maybe their projection of him is not as high as the forum projections. Honestly, I would take the evaluation of the current people making these decisions over a bunch of us in the forum (no disrespect). Seriously, what do we know, we are not at practice every day, we are not traveling with the team, we are not the ones in the film sessions with him and we are not the ones paid to evaluate him day in and day out.

Yep. A lot of the nonproductive dead weight from the previous regime was shipped out or cut and it has really helped the org move forward. DW knows what he doesn’t want and isn’t afraid to move on.

 

[S1N4TR4]

alright, let’s take a guess and see who is right when all is said and done.

which team does jiricek end up getting traded to? go.

i’m going with.. San Jose

 

[GoJackets1]

alright, let’s take a guess and see who is right when all is said and done.

which team does jiricek end up getting traded to? go.

i’m going with.. San Jose

Minnesota or Nashville IMO, they make the best trade partners for us currently.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

alright, let’s take a guess and see who is right when all is said and done.

which team does jiricek end up getting traded to? go.

i’m going with.. San Jose

I'm gonna say Minnesota, but my dark horse is Utah.

I feel like I'm expecting a fairly realistic return, but I'm going to be really disappointed if it's for draft picks. We have plenty of futures. Lets get something ready to contribute or close to it.

 

[ViD]

I can’t stop thinking that I will wake up to Jiricek being traded for a mid first round pick and a second string prospect. Will be quite disappointing

I'm gonna say Minnesota, but my dark horse is Utah.

I feel like I'm expecting a fairly realistic return, but I'm going to be really disappointed if it's for draft picks. We have plenty of futures. Lets get something ready to contribute or close to it.

Jiricek for Simashev would be incredible

 

[CBJx614]

Wouldn't get much push back here about Buium. Probably can't say the same from Minny's POV

Realistically I don't think there's anyway we get Buium or Rossi

 

[CBJx614]

Friedman said on his 32 Thoughts podcast that Nashville Predators, the Flyers and Wild appear to be good fits as trade partners but added that Waddell could just sit tight and wait it out.

The Dispatch was told Tuesday the Blue Jackets' front office is not feeling pressured to complete a trade for Jiricek and is content keeping him in the fold if nothing "makes sense" in trade talks.

Columbus Blue Jackets trade talks on David Jiricek: What we know

NHL insiders are saying a David Jiricek trade could happen soon, but the Blue Jackets are also content to stand pat.

www.dispatch.com

Aka this could all be for nothing. Would make sense to let him play for a month or two in the AHL to let his value climb back up. You wanted traded and out of the system? Raise your value.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Columbus Blue Jackets trade talks on David Jiricek: What we know

NHL insiders are saying a David Jiricek trade could happen soon, but the Blue Jackets are also content to stand pat.

www.dispatch.com

Aka this could all be for nothing. Would make sense to let him play for a month or two in the AHL to let his value climb back up. You wanted traded and out of the system? Raise your value.

Good. I’d rather keep him. There’s no rush to this

 

[alphafox]

alright, let’s take a guess and see who is right when all is said and done.

which team does jiricek end up getting traded to? go.

i’m going with.. San Jose

I feel like its a bigger deal to me. I doubt its a simple swap of prospects or futures as we aren't hearing any negative swirling other prospects that would lead to equivalent value. I'm going to call a dark horse and say its a deal with the Blues. They need D help with Krug Down for the season and they need cap relief once he is off LTIR. They are also the team that drafted Adam Jiricek. I could see something around Jircek+ for something like Broberg+

It leverages some cap room and leverages the fact that STL is gonna have a tough time resigning him and upgrades the blueline some even if we move Provorov in a TDL trade. Not sure if its reasonable or what would actually happen but something about STL feels right between their cap situation going forward, their veteran D corps, and their prospect mix.

 

[CannonFire1]

I'm not going to sweat this. Based on how he has handled the first several months, Waddell has earned the benefit of the doubt. I trust that he will hold out for a good return. If the return is underwhelming, I will assume it is addition by subtraction. That would suggest Jiricek's attitude is a distraction, they don't think he can overcome the skating deficiency, or both. I still see many reasons to be optimistic about this team's future.

 

[old kummelweck]

Sabres fan here - they need organizational depth at RHD. Thoughts on the Sabres prospect or young talent that could interest Columbus? The only roster player that may be available and is looking like an odd man out is Quinn - I think he's guaranteed top 6. Prospect-wise, Rochester is absolutely loaded with talent that could be of interest to Columbus that are developing nicely. Ostlund, Johnson, Rosen, Neuchev, Novikov, Kisakov. I would guess prospects/young players like Benson, Levi, Helenius, Wahlberg, and Kulich are off the table.

Sabres have a LOT of prospects to offer and need to change the prospect composition. From a equitable draft position, though, nothing as high as Jiricek at #6.

 

[tunnelvision]

Sabres fan here - they need organizational depth at RHD. Thoughts on the Sabres prospect or young talent that could interest Columbus? The only roster player that may be available and is looking like an odd man out is Quinn - I think he's guaranteed top 6. Prospect-wise, Rochester is absolutely loaded with talent that could be of interest to Columbus that are developing nicely. Ostlund, Johnson, Rosen, Neuchev, Novikov, Kisakov. I would guess prospects/young players like Benson, Levi, Helenius, Wahlberg, and Kulich are off the table.

Sabres have a LOT of prospects to offer and need to change the prospect composition. From a equitable draft position, though, nothing as high as Jiricek at #6.

I'd like to get a RHD in return since we don't have crazy depth at the position either, so how about Ostlund+Komarov?

Also would be curious to hear what separates Helenius, Wahlberg and Kulich from Ostlund and makes them untouchable?

 

[koteka]

Sabres fan here - they need organizational depth at RHD. Thoughts on the Sabres prospect or young talent that could interest Columbus?

I might do Jiricek for Helenius and Strbak, but I am wondering if that can be beaten by another team. (I was fairly high on Helenius at the draft.)

 

[CBJWerenski8]

How did they reach this point? It’s pretty simple.

Jiricek, the No. 6 pick in 2022, believes he’s NHL-ready and deserves a prominent role, not just significant ice time but a spot on the power play. This is not a new level of confidence for Jiricek. He bristled last season when the Blue Jackets, then managed by Jarmo Kekäläinen, sent him to the AHL for the final months of the season.

The Blue Jackets, meanwhile, don’t think Jiricek is polished enough defensively — yet — to be an NHL regular. Coach Dean Evason is the third different Blue Jackets coach to reach this conclusion, as seen by Jiricek’s frequent healthy scratches (12) and his limited ice time (11:12 per game) in the six games he dressed.

For now, both sides are making it work. And, to be clear, Jiricek has not requested a trade. But it’s hard to imagine him accepting a long stay in Cleveland.

Evason said he heard positive reports from AHL coach Trent Vogelhuber and the Cleveland staff. Evason and the c0aching staff actually streamed the first two periods from the coaches’ offices in Nationwide Arena because Cleveland’s game on Saturday started two hours before the Jackets hosted Carolina.

“Good. Really good,” Evason said. “He did a lot of really good things on both sides of the puck, which we want him to do on a consistent basis down there. He scored an overtime goal (on Sunday), which is fantastic. We know his offensive side.

“As we’ve talked about before, we need him to dial in when he doesn’t have the puck. It looked as if he’s committed to doing that. We’ve talked to Trent and the staff, and they’re committed to teaching the same way we’re teaching here. Everything is really positive.”
According to a team source, the Blue Jackets told clubs last week that they wanted to make a top prospect-for-top prospect trade involving Jiricek. Those trades aren’t always easy to swing, but they can be done, as seen by two deals within the last year.

On Jan. 8, 2024, the Philadelphia Flyerstraded disgruntled prospect forward Cutter Gauthier (No. 5 in 2022) to the Anaheim Ducks for defenseman Jamie Drysdale(No. 6 overall in 2020) and a second-round pick in 2025.

Then, this summer (Aug. 22), forward Rutger McGroarty (No. 14 in 2022), who refused to sign with the Winnipeg Jets, was traded to the Pittsburgh Penguins for forward Brayden Yager (No. 14 in 2023).

If Waddell can’t land a top prospect in return, he may be willing to expand his demands. A team source told The Athletic on Tuesday that he was willing to consider a trade package that would start with a first-round draft pick but may also include a depth defenseman.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Trading Jiricek for a 1st and a depth defenseman sounds like such a bad idea, unless it's a top 5 pick or something. Why not just try to package Jiricek with the pick from an eventual Provorov trade for a star player then?

EDIT: The mere suggestion is actually aggravating. Hell, packaging Jiricek with CBJ's unprotected 1st and seeing what that can get them would be a much more preferable course of action to look into than trading him for that.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Jiricek, the No. 6 pick in 2022, believes he’s NHL-ready and deserves a prominent role, not just significant ice time but a spot on the power play.

The other thing you have to ask yourself is: is this just a case of a kid with self-confidence who likes to think of it as something like moxie? Or is this a player who will never accept an organization's assessment of his play if it doesn't match his own (currently inflated) view? And could that also consistently include being disgruntled at playing time and the like, perhaps even in future seasons? What if someone's starting to get the sense the player only wants to play the way he wants to, at the times he wants to?

I'm not saying any of these are factual. There's no way I could know any of that. But people in the organization could, or could be starting to get a sense.

I don't actually want to trade Jiricek the player. If he becomes dominant given his skillset, he could help the Jackets win a lot of games. And he's still a kid, so there's room to grow his game.

But I am also growing tired of hearing that the player has a (falsely) inflated sense of his game and his worth at this juncture. The hope would be this is all water under the bridge in 2-3 years or whatever, but I'm open to the idea that the front office sees red flags.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

The other thing you have to ask yourself is: is this just a case of a kid with self-confidence who likes to think of it as something like moxie? Or is this a player who will never accept an organization's assessment of his play if it doesn't match his own (currently inflated) view? And could that also consistently include being disgruntled at playing time and the like, perhaps even in future seasons? What if someone's starting to get the sense the player only wants to play the way he wants to, at the times he wants to?

I'm not saying any of these are factual. There's no way I could know any of that. But people in the organization could, or could be starting to get a sense.

I don't actually want to trade Jiricek the player. If he becomes dominant given his skillset, he could help the Jackets win a lot of games. And he's still a kid, so there's room to grow his game.

But I am also growing tired of hearing that the player has a (falsely) inflated sense of his game and his worth at this juncture. The hope would be this is all water under the bridge in 2-3 years or whatever, but I'm open to the idea that the front office sees red flags.

I will add to this that, as I've posted before, even if the org sees red flags and believes it's best to remove him and move him, he should not be moved as a distressed asset.

 

[Doggy]

Ten pages in the past month...there shouldn't be so much drama around one first round draft pick...and yet...here we are

 

[Nanabijou]

Ten pages in the past month...there shouldn't be so much drama around one first round draft pick...and yet...here we are

Agreed. At some point the kid (and his agent) need to realize that this is now 3 head coaches and 2 GM's who don't think he's ready for the NHL. This isn't some personal grudge. Do the work, improve your game in Cleveland and then the team can figure out what the best path forward is.

 

[AnonCommentary]

Emily Kaplan on PDO Podcast
On David Jiricek: Very available. I think they've narrowed it down to a handful of teams. Can we get a guy that's young and can help us right now? Pittsburgh Penguins, Minnesota Wild, Buffalo Sabres. I would expect something to get done quite soon.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Aka this could all be for nothing. Would make sense to let him play for a month or two in the AHL to let his value climb back up. You wanted traded and out of the system? Raise your value.

i always thought the funniest outcome to this would be trading him for cutter gauthier but holding onto him is arguably even funnier

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Emily Kaplan on PDO Podcast
On David Jiricek: Very available. I think they've narrowed it down to a handful of teams. Can we get a guy that's young and can help us right now? Pittsburgh Penguins, Minnesota Wild, Buffalo Sabres. I would expect something to get done quite soon.

Ugh. f***ing hate this

 

[SteelCityCannon]

The other thing you have to ask yourself is: is this just a case of a kid with self-confidence who likes to think of it as something like moxie? Or is this a player who will never accept an organization's assessment of his play if it doesn't match his own (currently inflated) view? And could that also consistently include being disgruntled at playing time and the like, perhaps even in future seasons? What if someone's starting to get the sense the player only wants to play the way he wants to, at the times he wants to?

I'm not saying any of these are factual. There's no way I could know any of that. But people in the organization could, or could be starting to get a sense.

I don't actually want to trade Jiricek the player. If he becomes dominant given his skillset, he could help the Jackets win a lot of games. And he's still a kid, so there's room to grow his game.

But I am also growing tired of hearing that the player has a (falsely) inflated sense of his game and his worth at this juncture. The hope would be this is all water under the bridge in 2-3 years or whatever, but I'm open to the idea that the front office sees red flags.

Agreed on all accounts. It's not a new point, but you gotta wonder how much this goddamn agent has to do with it.