Player Discussion: David Jiricek

[Cowumbus]

If this happens, I feel it's because Waddell is not panicking but avoiding this turning a distraction (ie circus). CBJ is growing and making the next step and the Monsters are playing exceptional hockey.

CBJ D is arguably its forte, with Mateychuk and Svozil simmering on the farm.

We might have one decent RHD, and he was a waiver pickup.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

If this happens, I feel it's because Waddell is not panicking but avoiding this turning a distraction (ie circus). CBJ is growing and making the next step and the Monsters are playing exceptional hockey.

CBJ D is arguably its forte, with Mateychuk and Svozil simmering on the farm.

I would hesitate to call D their forte when these are still minor league players. Our NHL roster d is still pretty weak and the guy playing along side our 1 Norris trophy candidate right now was a waiver pickup about a week ago. I'd take an NHL ready controlled young D over bringing either of those guys up to Columbus right now. No harm in letting them cook in Cleveland.

 

[CBJx614]

Not exactly a solid source but

 

[Doggy]

I would hesitate to call D their forte when these are still minor league players. Our NHL roster d is still pretty weak and the guy playing along side our 1 Norris trophy candidate right now was a waiver pickup about a week ago...

While I don't disagree with your overall comment, I think some people might be under-estimating our waiver pickup. I think it's safe to say the Preds are a bit aimless at the moment: spent to the cap, looked great on paper, things have been mostly a disaster 1/4 through the season, team is still trying to win now and is moving chess pieces around the board and it feels forced and rudderless. It feels like Fabbro was waived in the middle of this early-season restructuring trying make cap space...but for what?

I don't know if Fabbro is a top pairing d-man but I do think he has been a solid partner for Z on our top pair. He is a very responsible defenseman with a nice first pass out of the zone and he gives Z the confidence to be Z not having to worry about his partner F'ing up. Waiver wire pickup or not, I call this one a win and he has me wondering what that top pairing looks like the rest of the season and if Fabbro at 26 is a mid-long term solution for us on the blue line.

 

[MoeBartoli]

While I don't disagree with your overall comment, I think some people might be under-estimating our waiver pickup. I think it's safe to say the Preds are a bit aimless at the moment: spent to the cap, looked great on paper, things have been mostly a disaster 1/4 through the season, team is still trying to win now and is moving chess pieces around the board and it feels forced and rudderless. It feels like Fabbro was waived in the middle of this early-season restructuring trying make cap space...but for what?

I don't know if Fabbro is a top pairing d-man but I do think he has been a solid partner for Z on our top pair. He is a very responsible defenseman with a nice first pass out of the zone and he gives Z the confidence to be Z not having to worry about his partner F'ing up. Waiver wire pickup or not, I call this one a win and he has me wondering what that top pairing looks like the rest of the season and if Fabbro at 26 is a mid-long term solution for us on the blue line.

I honestly don’t know how good Fabbro is, but I did know he has been a far more effective partner with Zach than either Provorov or Severson.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

If they trade him I kinda believe it's because he's asked out or made it clear he doesn't see his long term future with the Jackets. Or the offers they are getting are way better than some posters suggest here. I don't think any GM looks to move a higher end 20/21 year old D-prospect for a bag of pucks just because.

Or because they’ve made a determination about the player from a fit/attitude/locker room perspective and/or his development.

 

[thebus88]

All I can say folks is prepare to be disappointed.

The question is to what degree

It’s almost a guarantee that the player we get in return will both be a better skater and see the ice better than Jiricek. Not to mention the fact that he’s clearly a “headache” behind the scenes. Probably both short and long term.

Some of us aren’t disappointed about getting Harris for Laine, even after seeing Harris play. For some of the same reasons everyone shouldn’t really be that disappointed by the team moving Jiricek.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

While I don't disagree with your overall comment, I think some people might be under-estimating our waiver pickup. I think it's safe to say the Preds are a bit aimless at the moment: spent to the cap, looked great on paper, things have been mostly a disaster 1/4 through the season, team is still trying to win now and is moving chess pieces around the board and it feels forced and rudderless. It feels like Fabbro was waived in the middle of this early-season restructuring trying make cap space...but for what?

I don't know if Fabbro is a top pairing d-man but I do think he has been a solid partner for Z on our top pair. He is a very responsible defenseman with a nice first pass out of the zone and he gives Z the confidence to be Z not having to worry about his partner F'ing up. Waiver wire pickup or not, I call this one a win and he has me wondering what that top pairing looks like the rest of the season and if Fabbro at 26 is a mid-long term solution for us on the blue line.

Not saying anything about him specifically but it's more of an indictment of the rest of the D depth. Fabbro seems to be a great fit. Seems all but certain Provorov will be moved at some point. Who knows how long until Gubranson is back?

Fabbro seems to be a good fit. We just need NHL level d who are a good fit for the other positions. the Cleveland D prospects should only ever get called up when they can be utilized at their best fit. Jiricek was never even played at his best fit while here. He couldn't ever get more than 3rd pair minutes. He shuld have been playing top 2-4 minutes all along wherever he played and I put most of that on Jarmo last season for F'ing his development.

 

[CBJ goalie]

We might have one decent RHD, and he was a waiver pickup.

I would hesitate to call D their forte when these are still minor league players. Our NHL roster d is still pretty weak and the guy playing along side our 1 Norris trophy candidate right now was a waiver pickup about a week ago. I'd take an NHL ready controlled young D over bringing either of those guys up to Columbus right now. No harm in letting them cook in Cleveland.

Who cares that Fabbro was a waiver pick up....Isn't that a good thing, getting a serviceable D for nothing??

I wasn't saying to bring those guys up - like you mentioned, let them stay on the farm. The CBJ D works for the time being.

 

[Viqsi]

I think I prefer when the conversation is less "I dunno, we got this guy for free after all" and more "OMG I can't believe we got THIS guy FOR FREE".

My only concern about the blueline at this point is whether or not we can expect Severson to be worth keeping around. And that might depend on how well he and Mateychuk (or Svozil) mesh. If he can't be relied on - and there are times I definitely wonder - we've got potential issues there.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Not exactly a solid source but

Ryan Johansen trade in reverse if true.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

For me, the most exciting semi-realistic return (i.e. no Demidovs or the like), if we stick to the one-for-one idea with a player that hasn't broken out yet, would be players like
ANA: Sennecke
CHI: Levshunov (how has he been looking, by the way?)
DAL: Stankoven
MIN: Wallstedt, Buium
NJD: Nemec
OTT: Yakemchuk
UTA: But
VAN: Willander
WSH: Leonard

With regards to some of the reported teams, the only thing that interests me (besides from unrealistic players like Michkov) from NSH, PHI and PiIT is their respective unprotected 1sts. But that won't happen. I liked Kemell in 2022, but CBJ don't need him and NSH would have to add.

I still won't believe it until the trade happens.

 

[tunnelvision]

ANA: Sennecke

Both teams must've thought about Sennecke for Jiricek, at least as the base. Wasn't Sennecke the only guy besides Lindstrom the Jackets took out to dinner at the combine? Ducks are lacking quality RDs in their system.

 

[punk_o_holic]

For me, the most exciting semi-realistic return (i.e. no Demidovs or the like), if we stick to the one-for-one idea with a player that hasn't broken out yet, would be players like
ANA: Sennecke
CHI: Levshunov (how has he been looking, by the way?)
DAL: Stankoven
MIN: Wallstedt, Buium
NJD: Nemec
UTA: But
VAN: Willander
WSH: Leonard

With regards to some of the reported teams, the only thing that interests me (besides from unrealistic players like Michkov) from NSH, PHI and PiIT is their respective unprotected 1sts. But that won't happen. I liked Kemell in 2022, but CBJ don't need him and NSH would have to add.

I still won't believe it until the trade happens.

Would love Stankoven.
Wasn't it reported the Blue Jackets took Sennecke out for dinner prior to the draft? Would that indicate they had strong interest or just wanted more time to get to know him?

 

[SteelCityCannon]

For me, the most exciting semi-realistic return (i.e. no Demidovs or the like), if we stick to the one-for-one idea with a player that hasn't broken out yet, would be players like
ANA: Sennecke
CHI: Levshunov (how has he been looking, by the way?)
DAL: Stankoven
MIN: Wallstedt, Buium
NJD: Nemec
OTT: Yakemchuk
UTA: But
VAN: Willander
WSH: Leonard

With regards to some of the reported teams, the only thing that interests me (besides from unrealistic players like Michkov) from NSH, PHI and PiIT is their respective unprotected 1sts. But that won't happen. I liked Kemell in 2022, but CBJ don't need him and NSH would have to add.

I still won't believe it until the trade happens.

Yakemchuk would be sick. I don't know how realistic these trades are. All depends on how other teams value Jiricek.

 

[Napoli]

While I don't disagree with your overall comment, I think some people might be under-estimating our waiver pickup. I think it's safe to say the Preds are a bit aimless at the moment: spent to the cap, looked great on paper, things have been mostly a disaster 1/4 through the season, team is still trying to win now and is moving chess pieces around the board and it feels forced and rudderless. It feels like Fabbro was waived in the middle of this early-season restructuring trying make cap space...but for what?

I don't know if Fabbro is a top pairing d-man but I do think he has been a solid partner for Z on our top pair. He is a very responsible defenseman with a nice first pass out of the zone and he gives Z the confidence to be Z not having to worry about his partner F'ing up. Waiver wire pickup or not, I call this one a win and he has me wondering what that top pairing looks like the rest of the season and if Fabbro at 26 is a mid-long term solution for us on the blue line.

I have been calling the Jackets to go after Fabbro for some time. I am honestly shocked they got him on waivers. He's already our best RHD currently. Sorry Severson.

He allows Z to do whatever he wants and mixed in with our coach's system, you have magic from #8.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Doggy]

For me, the most exciting semi-realistic return (i.e. no Demidovs or the like), if we stick to the one-for-one idea with a player that hasn't broken out yet, would be players like
ANA: Sennecke
CHI: Levshunov (how has he been looking, by the way?)
DAL: Stankoven
MIN: Wallstedt, Buium
NJD: Nemec
OTT: Yakemchuk
UTA: But
VAN: Willander
WSH: Leonard

With regards to some of the reported teams, the only thing that interests me (besides from unrealistic players like Michkov) from NSH, PHI and PiIT is their respective unprotected 1sts. But that won't happen. I liked Kemell in 2022, but CBJ don't need him and NSH would have to add.

I still won't believe it until the trade happens.

Some of these guys make absolutely zero sense to me. Imagine you are Dallas. You say Stankoven has't broken out yet but he is on pace for 16 Goals and 60 Points in a rookie season. Would you want to trade someone who is already producing nicely in their rookie season for a guy who in his D+3 year can't break the NHL roster and keeps getting sent down to the minors?

Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Buium, and Sennecke. I see a big difference between a D+1 player who hasn't "broken out" yet and a D+3 player who also hasn't broken out yet. And guys like Leonard and But who are still developing and looking extremely good in their respective leagues? As a fan of those teams I would tell the CBJ fans to pound sand.

I am not saying Jiricek is not a good prospect or won't be a good pro. I don't know. Truth is top draft players bust, just because you got picked sixth doesn't mean you are guaranteed to be a star.

 

[stevo61]

If he goes to Seattle we can see how good Jessica Campbell's power skating training is. Would suck for us but would be one of the best outcomes for Jiricek

 

[MissADD]

I forget do rosters freeze for Thanksgiving?

 

[stevo61]

I forget do rosters freeze for Thanksgiving?

Over Christmas. 18-28 or something like that

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Some of these guys make absolutely zero sense to me. Imagine you are Dallas. You say Stankoven has't broken out yet but he is on pace for 16 Goals and 60 Points in a rookie season. Would you want to trade someone who is already producing nicely in their rookie season for a guy who in his D+3 year can't break the NHL roster and keeps getting sent down to the minors?

Levshunov, Yakemchuk, Buium, and Sennecke. I see a big difference between a D+1 player who hasn't "broken out" yet and a D+3 player who also hasn't broken out yet. And guys like Leonard and But who are still developing and looking extremely good in their respective leagues? As a fan of those teams I would tell the CBJ fans to pound sand.

I am not saying Jiricek is not a good prospect or won't be a good pro. I don't know. Truth is top draft players bust, just because you got picked sixth doesn't mean you are guaranteed to be a star.

I can't claim to have put an extraordinary amount of thought into that list. I guess it can be considered somewhat of a wishlist more than anything else.

With regards to Dallas and Anaheim, I guess I thought they lacked RD more than W. Leonard, I guess I was thinking about that how he stayed another year in college. Ottawa I thought were trying to take the next step and thus might see a Jiricek-Yakemchuk swap as skipping forward a few years. Concerning the others, I think we fans mostly put more stock in uncertainty than GMs might in general do.

Like I said, however, it wasn't thoroughly thought through. And contains more than a little wishful thinking.

 

[AnonCommentary]

 

[CBJWerenski8]

That would be f***ing ridiculous.