Rumor: David Jiricek available

[Fatass]

I trust Waddell over Chevy in terms of building a contender.

Aren’t the Jets first in the league? Chevy has a fantastic job.

 

[Zarzh]

As a Detroit fan, isn’t there a huge chance at this point that wallinder ends up better than jiricek? Not sure if I’d be okay with a trade like that. Jiricek will be getting traded off of potential and old hype, rather than what he’s shown. It’s a tough trade for many because he is good but his refusal to go down to the AHL consistently and struggling with weight gain are glaring issues.

Let's put it this way, there's a much higher chance Wallinder never hits 50 games or 10 points than there is of him surpassing Jiricek's prime.

 

[tiburon12]

Or Juricek continues to drop in value and a Zegras offer would be beyond what he could return? Zegras has proven what he can do in the league. Juricek hasn’t.

Zegras has proven he's a one-dimensional player failing at that dimension. He can't even put up over .5ppg in a high scoring era. Jiricek potential ceiling is still higher and his value has not dropped below Zegras and his heavy price tag.

Waddell should be fired if that's a 1-1 trade he accepts

 

[Kaners PPGs]

The structure of the Askarov trade sets a precedent for what it takes to get a former top pick who "wants a fresh start", but I don't see how Jiricek has the value Askarov did. Askarov is the best prospect in the world at his position, was on the cusp of NHL time (and has showed in his two games with the Sharks so far that he's absolutely NHL-ready), and was only even available because of the Saros extension. If Columbus came to me asking for Askarov in exchange for Jiricek, I'd hang up the phone.

The only counter I'd have to this is that big, mobile RD that can score are one of the most valuable packages in hockey, right after a #1C, and goalies are one of the least valuable positions. And while Jiricek hasn't been ready for the NHL, he has been productive in the AHL. Can't you see Minnesota trading their #1 (probably in the low to mid 20s) and IDK.... Carson Lambos for Jiricek?

 

[Kaners PPGs]

Comparing a potential defenseman trade to a goalie trade is hilarious. Has goalie value ever been lower in hockey?

What's interesting is that another poster said how much more valuable Askarov is. Besides, I said the Askarov trade was the framework of a trade- 1st + prospect. Considering theyeboth were disgruntled high picks, it's a pretty apt comp. What do you think Columbus will get for Jiricek?

 

[SteelCityCannon]

What's interesting is that another poster said how much more valuable Askarov is. Besides, I said the Askarov trade was the framework of a trade- 1st + prospect. Considering theyeboth were disgruntled high picks, it's a pretty apt comp. What do you think Columbus will get for Jiricek?

Honestly? We're gonna disagree off the bat because I don't feel hes disgruntled. He's currently killing it in the A. Just turned 21 yesterday, he's doing great. Maybe he isnt disgruntled but open to a fresh start. That's fine, but we're in no rush to make a deal there.

What will we get? I feel like I've been pretty realistic in this thread. Still hoping for a 1 for 1 type deal. I keep going back to Shane Wright.

 

[toddkaz]

Or Juricek continues to drop in value and a Zegras offer would be beyond what he could return? Zegras has proven what he can do in the league. Juricek hasn’t.

At this point you are lucky if you get a 2nd round pick for him.

 

[Fatass]

At this point you are lucky if you get a 2nd round pick for him.

Imo Juricek is worth, in draft capital, a pick in the 20-32 range. Same goes for Zegras. So imo it’s a fair swap. I’d include Shane Wright in that group too.

 

[Viqsi]

Keep the 20+ yr tradition in CBJ alive of never having had a no.1 center

Trivia question: who was drafted #3 overall in 2023?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Imo Juricek is worth, in draft capital, a pick in the 20-32 range. Same goes for Zegras. So imo it’s a fair swap. I’d include Shane Wright in that group too.

Wasn’t there a lot of rumours at the draft that Montreal had a tentative deal for Zegras for 21 + Mailloux but killed it when they saw Hage was still on the board?

 

[Indy18]

Imo Juricek is worth, in draft capital, a pick in the 20-32 range. Same goes for Zegras. So imo it’s a fair swap. I’d include Shane Wright in that group too.

I am not sold on Zegras just because we have Kent Johnson right now but I wouldn't mind taking a swing on Shane Wright 1 for 1 but Seattle hasn't been linked in the discussion. Columbus holds the cards right now so they wont trigger just to get rid of Jiricek. If anything with all this "news" I wouldn't doubt is coming from Walsh's camp to try to force Waddell to make a deal now and its not working.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Wasn’t there a lot of rumours at the draft that Montreal had a tentative deal for Zegras for 21 + Mailloux but killed it when they saw Hage was still on the board?

No.

It sounded like they (habs) would have traded that pick for McGroarty.

Was a report by LeBrun that they had that pick (+, so maybe Mailloux) on the table for Necas

 

[Fatass]

I am not sold on Zegras just because we have Kent Johnson right now but I wouldn't mind taking a swing on Shane Wright 1 for 1 but Seattle hasn't been linked in the discussion. Columbus holds the cards right now so they wont trigger just to get rid of Jiricek. If anything with all this "news" I wouldn't doubt is coming from Walsh's camp to try to force Waddell to make a deal now and it’s not working.

The value of the player is at its highest right now. If he’s not playing in the National League then his value will gradually drop. Maybe he should be in the NHL and play a top four role right now? His value would be significantly more if he proved himself as a legitimate nhl top four d man.

 

[toddkaz]

Imo Juricek is worth, in draft capital, a pick in the 20-32 range. Same goes for Zegras. So imo it’s a fair swap. I’d include Shane Wright in that group too.

You are entitled to your opinion but no one dimensional .5 point per game player is getting a 1st round pick.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

The value of the player is at its highest right now. If he’s not playing in the National League then his value will gradually drop. Maybe he should be in the NHL and play a top four role right now? His value would be significantly more if he proved himself as a legitimate nhl top four d man.

Not if he's not ready for it. Plus minutes are earned not given.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Multiple people reporting there’s a belief that Minnesota is the front runner. What package would CBJ fans feel good about from Minnesota?

 

[TFHockey]

You are entitled to your opinion but no one dimensional .5 point per game player is getting a 1st round pick.

Zegras does have two very good years in the NHL, 23-38-61 and 23-42-65. He has shown he can produce at this level. Jiricek has not done that so far. If I were to play devil's advocate, that's the argument I'd make.

I think that is a good trade for both teams. Zegras might need a change of scenery to get him back to 60+ point seasons. Also getting older and a new coach might lead to maturing as a player and improving his overall game which does need some work.

Jiricek has lots of potential and is a guy who fits in with a great team Anaheim is building for the future.

Just my two cents.

 

[toddkaz]

Zegras does have two very good years in the NHL, 23-38-61 and 23-42-65. He has shown he can produce at this level. Jiricek has not done that so far. If I were to play devil's advocate, that's the argument I'd make.

I think that is a good trade for both teams. Zegras might need a change of scenery to get him back to 60+ point seasons. Also getting older and a new coach might lead to maturing as a player and improving his overall game which does need some work.

Jiricek has lots of potential and is a guy who fits in with a great team Anaheim is building for the future.

Just my two cents.

What years were those? Lots of players have two very good years but do you think teams pay for past or future? Who cares about those years you don't even put when or the dates because you know those seasons are so far gone absolutely no one is paying for them.

Zegras is not getting you Jiricek.

 

[TFHockey]

What years were those? Lots of players have two very good years but do you think teams pay for past or future? Who cares about those years you don't even put when or the dates because you know those seasons are so far gone absolutely no one is paying for them.

Zegras is not getting you Jiricek.

Zegras is only 23. He scored those points in 2021-22 and 2022-23.

We're not talking an older player who did it a decade ago. He had an off year last year. This year isn't great either. The Ducks are still a bottom dwelling team that is still forming into something. Zegras has loads and loads of offensive talent.

It's the rest of his game that isn't great. And critics are right to point out if he isn't producing offense he isn't contributing much.

 

[toddkaz]

Zegras is only 23. He scored those points in 2021-22 and 2022-23.

We're not talking an older player who did it a decade ago. He had an off year last year. This year isn't great either. The Ducks are still a bottom dwelling team that is still forming into something. Zegras has loads and loads of offensive talent.

It's the rest of his game that isn't great. And critics are right to point out if he isn't producing offense he isn't contributing much.

He is only 23, he is only 24 in a few months...He is only 25 next year.

Dude is trash.

 

[Fatass]

Not if he's not ready for it. Plus minutes are earned not given.

Which is exactly why Columbus is in their current mess with this player. If he’s not good enough to earn minutes on a poor club’s D then his trade value will reflect that.

 

[TFHockey]

He is only 23, he is only 24 in a few months...He is only 25 next year.

Dude is trash.

Woof! Well... heh nevermind then.

 

[Crede777]

Multiple people reporting there’s a belief that Minnesota is the front runner. What package would CBJ fans feel good about from Minnesota?

Consider what you would think is a "good" return for a player who is 21 and many CBJ fans still believe will be a top-pairing (or at least quality top-4) big bodied RHD with a good point shot.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Which is exactly why Columbus is in their current mess with this player. If he’s not good enough to earn minutes on a poor club’s D then his trade value will reflect that.

He just turned 21 yesterday! Can we go through the top defensemen prospects and do the same exercise? Plus we have a few decent defensemen, PLUS contracts.come into play too. Would I like to see Jiricek over 8million dollar Severson? Sure but that's just not going to happen.

 

[Fatass]

He just turned 21 yesterday! Can we go through the top defensemen prospects and do the same exercise? Plus we have a few decent defensemen, PLUS contracts.come into play too. Would I like to see Jiricek over 8million dollar Severson? Sure but that's just not going to happen.

And all this adds up to (imo) a guy who has a draft capital in trade of a later first: 20-32. He could return an equivalently valued younger player. Hence Zegras or Wright. Guys with a similar ceiling but who also have question marks.