Ryder71
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Well, you engaged me on the matter so...... lolNot good. I don’t understand why we have to have this circular argument.
Well, you engaged me on the matter so...... lolNot good. I don’t understand why we have to have this circular argument.
Not good. I don’t understand why we have to have this circular argument.
Sidney was asking why people brought up 5v5 production. It is because people want to try and build a case around him being able to produce like he has in Anaheim here.
Not really, such players get looks in OT which isn't 5v5, and they also can get looks on the PP. So not true.I dont understand why people dont understand that when discussing whether a player should or shouldnt be in the top 6. The ONLY relevant stats ate 5v5 because its is LITERALLY the only situation where a top 6 exists.
Horny only missed 3 or 4 games before we had traded Sprong.And that was my biggest issue with our coach. He never afforded him a legitimate shot with Geno to try and see what we had there. Rust struggled and Horny missed a lot of time, yet not even a look.
And in those games was Sprong afforded time with one of our elite centers?Horny only missed 3 or 4 games before we had traded Sprong.
Well, you engaged me on the matter so...... lol
If you don't care then why are you responding....... again? lolNo I didn’t you quoted my response to Sidney and then said the typical ”BUTTTTT Sprong never played with Malkin.”
Believe me, I understand that. I just don’t care.
It is, but he is also getting bounced up and down the lineup, so they are seeing some of the same things our coaches did. I should also point out they have only won a handful of games since he has been there. Obviously it is not on him by any stretch of the imagination, but I guess my point is it’s not like he is making a difference in the win column. I would argue that #28 is.Sprong has 11 points in 20 games as a Duck. Relative to how anemic they've been at scoring I think that's pretty damn good. Regardless of how he accumulated those points they all count the same.
no, because we still had 2 or 3 RW's who were playing better hockey than him. Simon and Kessel were playing better all around. Rust was at least hustling and playing solid away from the puck, which was a huge issue for most of the forwards at the time. At no point this year was Sprong clearly one of our 3 best RW options at even strength. There were times where we could have fit him in there, but it was never the clear right move to put him in the top 9. So he got 4th line time and powerplay time.And in those games was Sprong afforded time with one of our elite centers?
Sprong has 11 points in 20 games as a Duck. Relative to how anemic they've been at scoring I think that's pretty damn good. Regardless of how he accumulated those points they all count the same.
Generally speaking good PP guys are more skilled players, so I would presume that the majority of your PP is made up of guys in the top six.1. Its not that impressive when playing both top 6 and PP.
2. Certainly not impressive when he is a net negative in every other aspect.
3. Its not a reason to keep him in the top 6. Replacing him in the top 6, 5v5 would benefit the team since IN THAT SITUATION, hes scoring at the same pace as Garrett Wilson.
Let me ask you this. If Garrett Wilson suddenly became a good on the PP, would you arbitrarely put him on Malkins wing?
Right, so he was largely relegated to a position that wasn't suited for his skillset.no, because we still had 2 or 3 RW's who were playing better hockey than him. Simon and Kessel were playing better all around. Rust was at least hustling and playing solid away from the puck, which was a huge issue for most of the forwards at the time. At no point this year was Sprong clearly one of our 3 best RW options at even strength. There were times where we could have fit him in there, but it was never the clear right move to put him in the top 9. So he got 4th line time and powerplay time.
But being good on the powerplay doesn't mean you should be in the top 6. Sprong is probably a better PP player than Rust for example, but Rust is absolutely a better top 6 forward at this point in their careers.Generally speaking good PP guys are more skilled players, so I would presume that the majority of your PP is made up of guys in the top six.
One other thing, Sprong has 11 points in 20 games, where does that rank him on the ducks in that time? I'd imagine in the top three or four.
right, which is why we traded him. It's a shame we didn't have a spot for him. It's great that we were able to make a good trade.Right, so he was largely relegated to a position that wasn't suited for his skillset.
If you don't care then why are you responding....... again? lol
right, which is why we traded him. It's a shame we didn't have a spot for him. It's great that we were able to make a good trade.
And I would argue, and according to what I've seen from Duck fans, that Sprong is one of very few bright spots in the Ducks lineup since he's been dealt.It is, but he is also getting bounced up and down the lineup, so they are seeing some of the same things our coaches did. I should also point out they have only won a handful of games since he has been there. Obviously it is not on him by any stretch of the imagination, but I guess my point is it’s not like he is making a difference in the win column. I would argue that #28 is.
But if you truly don't care why bother?Because you’re challenging my point about Sprong being judged on 5v5 and I’m trying to explain to you why people are doing that..?
I think he's been good there, yeah. But the role he's playing for them simply isn't available here. They need a guy like him, we need a guy like Pettersson. Win Win.And I would argue, and according to what I've seen from Duck fans, that Sprong is one of very few bright spots in the Ducks lineup since he's been dealt.
Then why does he continue to get dropped down the lineup?And I would argue, and according to what I've seen from Duck fans, that Sprong is one of very few bright spots in the Ducks lineup since he's been dealt.
Generally speaking good PP guys are more skilled players, so I would presume that the majority of your PP is made up of guys in the top six.
One other thing, Sprong has 11 points in 20 games, where does that rank him on the ducks in that time? I'd imagine in the top three or four.
Right, so he was largely relegated to a position that wasn't suited for his skillset.
yes, a legitimate reason to trade him.Yes and I believe a legitimate one.