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Daniel Carcillo - Why the NHL Community Needs to Look out for Its Own

Not to rag on Carcillo because that really was an emotional piece and strong of him to do that, but when he talks about his concerns for the future of hockey players, shouldn't he along with others like Matt Cooke and Raffi Torres, who have a history of concussing their fellow player, be held accountable?

You see ******* agents like Allan Walsh rip into the NHL for not doing enough to prevent concussions, yet they don't look at the source of what is causing these head injuries to occur. The players themselves.

And I'm all for solid, clean hockey hits, but look at some of the stuff these guys try to do to one another, it goes beyond connecting with a hit to help your team win:









That hit on Gilbert resulted in a 7 game suspension for Carcillo and was way over the line and completely unnecessary. He's not trying to make a hockey play with that hit, his intent there was to cause an injury.

Maybe some of these players should take a long look in the mirror and think about the damage they are causing not only to the sport but to their fellow NHLPA members and hockey brethren when they step over the line, which Carcillo himself has done on numerous occasions.

Think of not only what the player has to go through but his family, his wife, kids, parents, when they see their father, son, husband have their dreams crushed and career ended by the hands of a meathead who made a stupid, unnecessary hit or took a cheap shot or caused a concussion.

Perhaps it is the NHLPA who should be doing a better job of protecting their own?
 
Video brings up a good point that Athletes are essentially brought in out of high school and brought up in superstardom. Yes, they are good at what they do but how many of them become successful with their name/brand? Would they be able to move on from their sports profession when the new Johnny {insert-sport-here} comes a long. For every Johnny {insert-sport-here} there are at least hundreds of lesser known pros and even more in the minors of that sport. How are these lesser known sports figures going to cope with moving on from their professional career?
 
Very powerful video by Dan Carcillo. I hope the NHLPA comes up with a better program for players transitioning out of the league. Bravo. (Thanks for the thread and link, Hangons.)

 
Wait, this is Daniel ****ing Carcillo. A known POS and one of the dirtiest players in the league. I do not give a **** what this guys feels or says.

Yeah I feel bad for guys like Rypien, Boogard, Belak, Montador, etc. But you can't say they weren't warned. Unless they were severely autistic, how do they not know fighting will cause concussions? This is the NHL, not the UFC. No one tells them to fight, and if they think they have to do so to succeed, then they deserve the concussions. The only thing the NHL needs to do is throw out players like Carcillo and ban fighting altogether. Outrageous that this guy can come out and say things like the" NHLPA needs to look out for its players". That's like a terrorist telling airport security to be better at taking care of his victims.
 
Jeff18 said:
Wait, this is Daniel ****ing Carcillo. A known POS and one of the dirtiest players in the league. I do not give a **** what this guys feels or says.

Yeah I feel bad for guys like Rypien, Boogard, Belak, Montador, etc. But you can't say they weren't warned. Unless they were severely autistic, how do they not know fighting will cause concussions? This is the NHL, not the UFC. No one tells them to fight, and if they think they have to do so to succeed, then they deserve the concussions. The only thing the NHL needs to do is throw out players like Carcillo and ban fighting altogether. Outrageous that this guy can come out and say things like the" NHLPA needs to look out for its players". That's like a terrorist telling airport security to be better at taking care of his victims.
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So distracted by your avatar that it's hard to focus.... Is that Hayward?
 
Yes. It is my bandwagon avatar.

Did you read what I said in his voice?
 
No, but it's funny as hell. I still think the either the Hawks or Rangers will win it but no one has made noteworthy one's yet. I'm not going to use the one Ron made because I might get in trouble.
 
Jeff18 said:
Wait, this is Daniel ****ing Carcillo. A known POS and one of the dirtiest players in the league. I do not give a **** what this guys feels or says.

Yeah I feel bad for guys like Rypien, Boogard, Belak, Montador, etc. But you can't say they weren't warned. Unless they were severely autistic, how do they not know fighting will cause concussions? This is the NHL, not the UFC. No one tells them to fight, and if they think they have to do so to succeed, then they deserve the concussions. The only thing the NHL needs to do is throw out players like Carcillo and ban fighting altogether. Outrageous that this guy can come out and say things like the" NHLPA needs to look out for its players". That's like a terrorist telling airport security to be better at taking care of his victims.
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This is a really ****ing cold post. Most of these guys are leftovers from a time where you needed goons on your team and they were expected to fight, play rough and be intimidators. Their toughness was the only reason why they got to play at a professional level. Now that the NHL is moving away from that style of play and pushing them away, it's hard for them to adapt because they don't have the skills to play like the guys still on the team. To brush them off so effortlessly is ****ed up. A lot of them are battling a lot of mental issues and it's not easy to just turn it off. Weren't you also the guy advocating that players should not be allowed to have children during the season too? You do know these are human beings, right? They are more complex and are not just here to make you happy while you sit on your couch.
 
DocWest said:
This is a really ****ing cold post. Most of these guys are leftovers from a time where you needed goons on your team and they were expected to fight, play rough and be intimidators. Their toughness was the only reason why they got to play at a professional level. Now that the NHL is moving away from that style of play and pushing them away, it's hard for them to adapt because they don't have the skills to play like the guys still on the team. To brush them off so effortlessly is ****ed up. A lot of them are battling a lot of mental issues and it's not easy to just turn it off. Weren't you also the guy advocating that players should not be allowed to have children during the season too? You do know these are human beings, right? They are more complex and are not just here to make you happy while you sit on your couch.
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Amen.

It's hockey or nothing for the majority of these athletes, who have sacrificed everything their education and more for just a shred of a shot at the NHL. Look at the Terry Trafford tragedy; he took his own life after being released by the Saginaw Spirit. If physicality and fighting is what is asked of these athletes and there is nothing to fall back given the sacrifices they've made if they fail, they are going to do whatever it takes.

Related: http://www.durhamregion.com/sports-story/4420134-port-perry-s-corey-bricknell-reaching-out-to-youth-battling-demons-depression/

Related: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/hockey/2014/03/23/terry-trafford-death/6803401/
 
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DocWest said:
This is a really ****ing cold post. Most of these guys are leftovers from a time where you needed goons on your team and they were expected to fight, play rough and be intimidators. Their toughness was the only reason why they got to play at a professional level. Now that the NHL is moving away from that style of play and pushing them away, it's hard for them to adapt because they don't have the skills to play like the guys still on the team. To brush them off so effortlessly is ****ed up. A lot of them are battling a lot of mental issues and it's not easy to just turn it off. Weren't you also the guy advocating that players should not be allowed to have children during the season too? You do know these are human beings, right? They are more complex and are not just here to make you happy while you sit on your couch.
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They are here just to make me happy while I sit on the couch. They are called entertainers and they make very good money for it. But that's not the point of my post.

I did say I feel bad for the people who killed themselves. When did I say the others' conditions aren't serious? They certainly are deserved because it is common sense to know getting punched in the head is not a good thing, yet they do it anyways. I definitely hope the people with mental issues take care of themselves. I take offense because this is Carcillo saying these things. Go on Youtube and search Dan Carcillo, for sure it isn't going to be a goal scoring montage that pops up. He injured so many people, and is still playing while advocating support for people that are injured by the types of things that he does. What I think is ****ed up is that people are allowed to drop their gloves and beat each other with bare knuckles, then use that to get money. Not only that, we have people telling the NHLPA to look after their players when this same **** has gone on for decades. Stop the fighting and show no mercy to repeat offenders, then bring this stuff up (obviously help those who are already hurt).

You can't tell the kids thing was a joke? So many other people were saying it. It's weird because I could have sworn you made fun of the guy who came in and talked about Burrows' family after Toffoli's hit. You could make a excuse on how Burrows getting injured does in fact have an impact on his family.

I'm sorry for offending you and you should report my post. That's the only way I can make it up to you.
 
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It's hockey or nothing for the majority of these athletes, who have sacrificed everything their education and more for just a shred of a shot at the NHL. Look at the Terry Trafford tragedy; he took his own life after being released by the Saginaw Spirit. If physicality and fighting is what is asked of these athletes and there is nothing to fall back given the sacrifices they've made if they fail, they are going to do whatever it takes.
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I remember hearing about that story. This is an example of something wrong with hockey culture. People need to realize that not everything is perfect and not everyone will make it (only around 210 kids get drafted each year). It's not the end though. There is still the college route and even then there might be something they like to do outside of hockey.

The CHL is pathetic in letting teenagers fight and they continue to do it; this gives some kids the impression that all they need to do is fight do succeed. That is absolutely disgusting and I highly doubt tragedies like Trafford will end unless something is done.
 
Hated Carcillo when we played agaisnt him but he was awesome when he is on your team. He fights guys way out of his weight class all the time like Reaves and Ivanans.

I will never forget that game in Vancouver with all the scrums and Kassian leveled Stoll and Carcillo challenged him. He also tried to get at Sestito when he had ahold of Doughty...he had more of a mean streak than Nolan or Clifford and hated when his teammates were taken advantage of.
 
Jeff18 said:
They are here just to make me happy while I sit on the couch. They are called entertainers and they make very good money for it. But that's not the point of my post.

I did say I feel bad for the people who killed themselves. When did I say the others' conditions aren't serious? They certainly are deserved because it is common sense to know getting punched in the head is not a good thing, yet they do it anyways. I definitely hope the people with mental issues take care of themselves. I take offense because this is Carcillo saying these things. Go on Youtube and search Dan Carcillo, for sure it isn't going to be a goal scoring montage that pops up. What I think is ****ed up is that people are allowed to drop their gloves and beat each other with bare knuckles, then use that to get money. Not only that, we have people telling the NHLPA to look after their players when this same **** has gone on for decades. Stop the fighting and show no mercy to repeat offenders, then bring this stuff up (obviously help those who are already hurt).

You can't tell the kids thing was a joke? So many other people were saying it. It's weird because I could have sworn you made fun of the guy who came in and talked about Burrows' family after Toffoli's hit. You could make a excuse on how Burrows getting injured does in fact have an impact on his family.

I'm sorry for offending you and you should report my post. That's the only way I can make it up to you.
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What a condescending and ignorant reply. Wow.

You're giving a giant **** you to all these guys who are suffering and are in a really dark place. I never once advocated for having this type of fighting in the game or enjoying it, all I'm saying is that it's hard to remove it without these kinds of repercussions. The Burrows things is different because it was a hockey hit. I wasn't telling him to go **** himself after he aired out his demons in a public forum like you just did to Carcillo. Guys like Carcillo were a part of this game for a long time. They were not brought in to score. They had to fight and play rough in order to keep their jobs. Now that the NHL is moving away from that image, they are being left in the dust without any help to transition to the next part of their lives. This has left a lot of them in a bad place and it's why a lot of them kill themselves. It's really sad. Your lack of empathy for all of this is disturbing.
 
The players, the league and the NHLPA are all culpable. The NHL is obviously inching towards getting rid of fighting but I honestly don't see that as the biggest issue anymore. Obviously, that is still a major hazard but few players fight so the number of players likely to be seriously hurt from a fight is pretty small at this point. The hitting to the head and lack of regard for the fellow player are paramount. That's something that all three parties play a part in. The league has changed to rules to minimize this but I don't think you are ever going to make hitting "safe". the game is too fast and players are too powerful. **** is going to happen. That is where the NHL/NHLPA need to come in and make a bigger effort to prepare these guys for how to deal with potential injury and life after hockey. When guys are suffering from multiple concussions and face life long injury, I think the NHLPA ought to be stepping in and telling the players that it is time to move on.

If you haven't seen the documentary "The Last Gladiators", you should. It definitely gives you a better perspective of what some of these fringe players go through. From the highest of highs to the lowest of lows.
 
DocWest said:
What a condescending and ignorant reply. Wow.

You're giving a giant **** you to all these guys who are suffering and are in a really dark place. I never once advocated for having these type of fighting in the game or enjoying it, all I'm saying is that it's hard to remove it without these kinds of repercussions. The Burrows things is different because it was a hockey hit. I wasn't telling him to go **** himself after he aired out his demons in a public forum like you just did to Carcillo. Guys like Carcillo were a part of this game for a long time. They were not brought in to score. They had to fight and play rough in order to keep their jobs. Now that the NHL is moving away from that image, they are being left in the dust without any help to transition to the next part of their lives. This has left a lot of them in a bad place and it's why a lot of them kill themselves. It's really sad. You're lack of empathy for all of this is disturbing.
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How was that condescending? I am seriously sorry and I am giving you permission to call me out for it. I still firmly stand by what I said though.

I never once told these guys to go **** themselves, point out where I said it. And no, these guys do not have to fight. They can go get a job or go to school. It's a privilege to play in the NHL. Hockey is clearly not the only thing they know how to do, not by a long shot. Carcillo injured a lot of people and I don't get what I said about him is wrong. If he has concussions, he should get help; but talking about this stuff making him sad, then doing the same **** every game is hypocrisy.

Let me reiterate: People who have serious concussions should get help immediately, people who don't have issues should take it to themselves to tell the league to be more strict in enforcing the rules and fighting.
 
I've gotten serious concussions while playing hockey too Doc. I know how it feels and I do think it is a serious issue in almost every sport. I hope everyone who has ever had a concussion can afford to get help. I hate when people like you read what I write and get angry at it. It's a bad feeling and I don't mean any offense towards you or wish injury upon any players (report me if you think I did, let the mods sort it out and punish me for it, I'll pay for what I say).
 
Jeff18 said:
How was that condescending? I am seriously sorry and I am giving you permission to call me out for it. I still firmly stand by what I said though.

I never once told these guys to go **** themselves, point out where I said it. And no, these guys do not have to fight. They can go get a job or go to school. It's a privilege to play in the NHL. Hockey is clearly not the only thing they know how to do, not by a long shot. Carcillo injured a lot of people and I don't get what I said about him is wrong. If he has concussions, he should get help; but talking about this stuff making him sad, then doing the same **** every game is hypocrisy.
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I am calling you out on it, I'm not going to run to a mod like you suggested. If that was not meant to be a condescending comment, then I'm sorry for missing that. It just read that way to me.

You wrote, "I do not give a **** what this guys feels or says." That's telling Carcillo to go **** himself after he just broke down over the loss of his friend and his own struggles. And these guys did have to fight, that's the only way some of them could make the NHL. They were enforcers and it was a legitimate role on every team. Now that the league is changing, they are being left behind like garbage. Carcillo is literally crying for help with transitioning to the next phase of his life. I don't like that style of hockey at all, but I can see the dude needs help and if we can stop the suicides then it's a conversation we need to have.

I do agree with you about the hypocrisy, but you have to see it's not easy for these guys to change. It's a complicated process, like domesticating a fighting dog. It's not just a flip of a switch and they're all good. Hockey is all a lot of them have and their only skill. To take that all away at the drop of a hat leaves them with nothing and they go to a dark place.
 
DocWest said:
I am calling you out on it, I'm not going to run to a mod like you suggested. If that was not meant to be a condescending comment, then I'm sorry for missing that. It just read that way to me.

You wrote, "I do not give a **** what this guys feels or says." That's telling Carcillo to go **** himself after he just broke down over the loss of his friend and his own struggles. And these guys did have to fight, that's the only way some of them could make the NHL. They were enforcers and it was a legitimate role on every team. Now that the league is changing, they are being left behind like garbage. Carcillo is literally crying for help with transitioning to the next phase of his life. I don't like that style of hockey at all, but I can see the dude needs help and if we can stop the suicides then it's a conversation we need to have.

I do agree with you about the hypocrisy, but you have to see it's not easy for these guys to change. It's a complicated process, like domesticating a fighting dog. It's not just a flip of a switch and they're all good. Hockey is all a lot of them have and their only skill. To take that all away at the drop of a hat leaves them with nothing and they go to a dark place.
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I accept your apology and I am also very sorry. I do think Carcillo can change, and I don't know if he is retiring, but if he plays a clean game next season with no fights or princess waves then I will take back everything I said about him. He will be one of my most respected players if he combines this video with a changed game. Despite his reputation, I think Carcillo actually has the skill to be a 3rd or 4th liner. He has the vision and hands to be a pretty good player, which is why I question the things that he chooses to do.
 
I always felt Carcillo could be a very good utility player if he cut out the extra ******** (mainly after the whistle stuff). I thought he played very solid hockey while in LA and I was a big supporter of his.
 
I get the feeling a few people didn't read the whole accompanying article or watch the whole video.

You can hate Carcillo as a player and still support the message. It's not a bad one. I get the hypocrisy of a player on the edge calling out the NHLPA to take better care of its own, but he's a human being moved by the passing of his friend to question the status quo. I think that's worth getting past the on-ice character for.

Here's where it starts.

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/nhl-daniel-carcillo-steve-montador-video/
 
Powerful video!.. We talk about players as commodities we often forget they have problems just like everyone else. Nhlpa should help the players 'after the game ends'
 
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