Dan Cloutier

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Looking at past threads and peoples comments and they acted like he was a scrub. I want to know was he a good, bad or okay goalie stats wise he is subpar but he has 3 30 win season and 140 career wins, plus his 3 goal against average, is from 15ish years ago which was a much higher scoring era even great like roy and brodure had plus 2.8 gaa from that era, is the guy under appreciated
 
Looking at past threads and peoples comments and they acted like he was a scrub. I want to know was he a good, bad or okay goalie stats wise he is subpar but he has 3 30 win season and 140 career wins, plus his 3 goal against average, is from 15ish years ago which was a much higher scoring era even great like roy and brodure had plus 2.8 gaa from that era, is the guy under appreciated

I know he was a pretty fiery goalie and got involved in his fair share of fights. But honestly, the only other thing I hear about him was when he let a goal in from center ice (in the playoffs no less) when he was with the Canucks and was never the same after that.
 
Looking at past threads and peoples comments and they acted like he was a scrub. I want to know was he a good, bad or okay goalie stats wise he is subpar but he has 3 30 win season and 140 career wins, plus his 3 goal against average, is from 15ish years ago which was a much higher scoring era even great like roy and brodure had plus 2.8 gaa from that era, is the guy under appreciated

A good goalie that took the brunt of it from fans and media due to playoff failures. Also suffered a lot from injuries that kept setting him back. Never felt like we got enough of peak Cloutier - who was actually one of the top 10 in the league - i remember thinking at the time we had him...

his 2002 playoff oops became his signature moment as a canuck despite the team around not being good enough at the time... as they showed in the following 4 games to the eventual cup champs..

The next yr was a complete team collapse vs Minny in the playoffs... which he definitely shared the blame for blowing a 3-1 series lead... and that was enough to write him off as never being good enough to come thru when it mattered...

But like most players scapegoated... he never deserved it bad as he got it...

It's hard to look back after so many years to know if the little confidence i had in him as a fan was the media blowing up the Lidstrom/Minny collapse, or truly due to his actual play... Because i totally remember supporting him and always thinking... "once he gets healthy..."
 
One of those rare players that you can pin the exact moment his career started going down hill. Cloutier was the single biggest hinderance the WCE-era Canucks had, one wonders where a slightly better goalie would have taken that team.
 


Had a decent career until for whatever reason, took a turn for the worse and became the Beachball.

I bet his hips were giving him problems well before he started having the surgeries.
 
Probably got more flak than he deserved as a result of the Center Ice goal. Not much playoff success and didn't do great after his time in Vancouver. If he wasn't injured against Calgary in '04 or after a quarter/third of the season in 2005/2006, might have had a much more positive outcome as he played pretty well in those periods.
 
One of those rare players that you can pin the exact moment his career started going down hill. Cloutier was the single biggest hinderance the WCE-era Canucks had, one wonders where a slightly better goalie would have taken that team.

He took the brunt of it in 2003 for his meltdown in game 5 (i was unfortunately at that game).... but that 2003 version of the team stopped scoring in the playoffs...

2004 was the best version of the WCE era... and Cloutier was hurt for the playoffs and Bertuzzi suspended.
 
Probably the best goalie LA's ever had.

I laughed hysterically when we got a 2nd round pick in 2007 and a 3rd in 2009 for him, he had numerous knee injuries and wasn't even close to being a NHL goalie at that time. Though I laughed harder when the Kings resigned him.

At his peak, he was a good goalie but had a hard time winning a game for the team. He needed a lot of goal support in order to win games and always seemed to let in a goal at the worst possible time.
 
I loved Cloutier. The guy was all heart. That said, he was a mediocre goalie. His athleticism helped make up for times when he was out of position, but he would never be an elite goaltender. Was he the biggest hindrance in the WCE era? Well, if you ignore the lack of any real depth on the team, then sure. It never really all came together for that team. The best team they had, when the Sedins started to break out, lost Bertuzzi for the playoffs and he was never the same after. Before that, the team suffered from a pretty "meh" second line. The Naslund-Bertuzzi combo carried that team for a couple years and made them look better than they were at times, but the team was never elite in of itself. The only way they would have made a cup run was if Naslund, Bertuzzi and Jovo got really hot for an entire playoff run - if that didn't happen, it wouldn't have mattered how good Cloutier was anyways.
 
Cloutier was a warrior for the Canucks. Back then the Canucks fans were ruthless towards our goaltenders.

Ill say he is in the top 3 best goaltender the canucks ever had. He was one of my heros growing up. Loved the guy.
 
But not anymore right. You wouldn't say, run two of the best ones in the league out of town for no apparent reason, right.

So much ignorance in one post, I commend you sir. But honestly if you think that's what happened you should immediately seek treatment for delusions and general confusion.
 
But not anymore right. You wouldn't say, run two of the best ones in the league out of town for no apparent reason, right.

It is 100% worse today, since Dan Cloutier was actually deserving of the fan criticism - he was a horrendous starting goalie by NHL standards.

Luongo is a different story - Hall of Famer who the dumb fans here used as a scapegoat. And it is just continueing with Ryan Miller.
 
he was a solid goalie for a few seasons, but yea, his career was ended by lidstrom scoring from center ice.
 
He was a terrible goalie in LA who said lies about how the Kings mistreated him back when he wasn't healthy enough to play anymore.
 
A decent goalie. Never top 10 but not bottom ten. Gets unrightfully remembered for a really bad goal. But there are a ton of that of every goalie.
 
I laughed hysterically when we got a 2nd round pick in 2007 and a 3rd in 2009 for him, he had numerous knee injuries and wasn't even close to being a NHL goalie at that time. Though I laughed harder when the Kings resigned him.

At his peak, he was a good goalie but had a hard time winning a game for the team. He needed a lot of goal support in order to win games and always seemed to let in a goal at the worst possible time.

He played a critical role in the Kings' system that a lot of fans don't appreciate. It's not that he was a good goalie, he wasn't, but he had enough success to come in and be the number 1 guy at a time when we had nobody. The way Lombardi has always run the team is you need to EARN a spot on the team. If there was nobody there, young goalies would just walk into the position. He kept Quick and Bernier in the AHL until they proved their way onto the team.

Lombardi signed a bunch of guys who played that role and he was surprisingly open about calling those players 'bridge' players. Basically, placeholders who needed to be pushed out for an AHL player to make the jump.

That strategy is a major difference between LA's rebuild and EDM's rebuild.
 
One of those rare players that you can pin the exact moment his career started going down hill. Cloutier was the single biggest hinderance the WCE-era Canucks had, one wonders where a slightly better goalie would have taken that team.

Vancouver's best team from that era was 2002-03, and they had a clear path to the SCF once Detroit and Colorado were knocked out in the first round. The only obstacle would have been an Anaheim team that couldn't score, and I have a tough time seeing Giguere shutting out that Canucks team.

Instead, the meltdown happened. It's easy to blame Cloutier, but I think it's more accurate to question where Bertuzzi was during the playoffs. In the first round, he had one goal and one assist....he also gave St. Louis five power plays and negated two Canucks power plays by taking bad penalties. In the second round against Minnesota, he was even worse.

All Vancouver needed was for Bertuzzi to not play terribly. In 14 games, he had two goals and four assists, put his team shorthanded 11 times, negated two more power plays, and was a complete non-factor on the power play. He did lead the league in playoff penalty minutes with 60. Naslund had five goals and 14 points, Morrison four goals and 11 points...Bertuzzi two and 6.

2003-04 was a pale shadow of 2002-03, even before Bertuzzi was suspended. The Canucks went from a 20.76% power play in 2002-03 down to 14.79%, Bertuzzi had gone from playing on the edge to playing like a loose cannon (17 negated power plays in the regular season in 69 games), and nothing was clicking. They had a better record, but it was obvious they weren't going to go anywhere.

Cloutier was a problem, but not the biggest reason the team didn't win.
 
Here's all I have to say in regards to this topic as a Canucks fan (IMO):

This man makes Jumbo Joe look like Jonathan Toews/a playoff warrior.
 

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