LeBrun: Dallas and Minnesota interested in Brock Nelson

[AKL]

I mean you're simply undervaluing Nelson, repeatedly calling him a 50 point player when your own GM has clearly shown he has more respect for him than that.

As you said before, he'll probably get a late first +. The Wild can't do that so if Guerin wants him he's going to have to offer up one of the prospects who potentially has more value than a late first. We'll see what happens

How am I undervaluing him if you agree with the value I think he'll return? Regardless of whether you want to call him a 70 point player or a 50 point player, seems we both think he'll get a 1st+, so are we both undervaluing him, or am I not undervaluing him at all and you just don't like stating that he's on pace for 50 points right now?

 

[miscs75]

Brock Samson is the only real Brock.

Brock, the gym leader of Pewter City is the only real Brock.

 

[impaaaaaact]

How am I undervaluing him if you agree with the value I think he'll return? Regardless of whether you want to call him a 70 point player or a 50 point player, seems we both think he'll get a 1st+, so are we both undervaluing him, or am I not undervaluing him at all and you just don't like stating that he's on pace for 50 points right now?

I guess I'm sort of confused by your whole schtick and that's fine. 50 point forwards don't go for a first + or get named to national rosters so it's confusing that you're going out of your way to try and label him as such - it feels at odds with everything else you're saying. Either way, no point in doing anything but agreeing to disagree (and agree) at this point.

for anyone coming to the thread and wants the TLDR, Nelson is currently on pace for 50 points this season after scoring/pacing 70 the last three. The Isles have the worst PP in the league and that's a big part of it. Nelson's line is currently leading the league in goals at 5v5.

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

MIN- 1st + 1 of Heidt/Yurov/Ohhren

Dal - 1st + 1 of Hemming/Bourque


Would think Wild makes a lot more sense than DAL.


Stramel is such a Lou type player but I’d have no interest in him. Especially since it’s only his rights has well.

When has a rental ever returned this much?

 

[SI90]

When has a rental ever returned this much?

A first and a good prospect ? Happens all the time.

 

[57special]

Detractors keep boiling down his worth to his last 27 games on a team that has been absolutely decimated by injuries. If you zoom out, even with those games included he averages 35 goals a season over his last 250 or so games. If these teams actually think he's a 50 point player they're probably not interested at all.

He's a center scored 35 goals and 70 points the last two seasons. The year before he scored 37 and and 60 in 72 games. Let's not be disingenuous about who he is.

While you are pretending that decline due to age, and injury is not a factor in every hockey player's career?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

MIN- 1st + 1 of Heidt/Yurov/Ohhren

Dal - 1st + 1 of Hemming/Bourque


Would think Wild makes a lot more sense than DAL.


Stramel is such a Lou type player but I’d have no interest in him. Especially since it’s only his rights has well.

LMAO, this a joke?

 

[impaaaaaact]

Whiule you are pretending that decline due to age, and injury is not a factor in every hockey player's career?

Do you watch Islander games? Because I've watched all but maybe 2 (lord help me) and I can confidently report that Nelson does not look 30% less effective than the last 4 seasons.

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

A first and a good prospect ? Happens all the time.

A 1st and a prospects the projects as a 2nd line forward (who was a recent 1st) for 2 months of a 33 year old 2nd line forward on an expiring deal? 1st are thrown around at the deadline, but good prospects who have been developing well are not. You could maybe get 1st + Stramel.

 

[AKL]

A first and a good prospect ? Happens all the time.

I think your mistake is thinking the type of "good prospects" that get moved all the time for rentals are not the Yurov/Ohgren/Bourque caliber prospects, but lower than that.

I think we can all agree that Nelson should return a 1st+prospect, but some of you need to have much more realistic expectations about what the prospect part of that will look like.

 

[seabass45]

How am I undervaluing him if you agree with the value I think he'll return? Regardless of whether you want to call him a 70 point player or a 50 point player, seems we both think he'll get a 1st+, so are we both undervaluing him, or am I not undervaluing him at all and you just don't like stating that he's on pace for 50 points right now?

He's also on pace for 30 goals, which he's done three years in a row prior to this, and he might be the only future UFA available for trade who can say that. Framing him by his point total when his value is more as a goal scorer kind of devalues (I think this the better word) him a bit. Depending on the player I'm not sure I would offer a first for a "50 point player", but we do agree that Brock should get a first.

 

[SI90]

LMAO, this a joke?

No, you riding the Trouba train is lol

A 1st and a prospects the projects as a 2nd line forward (who was a recent 1st) for 2 months of a 33 year old 2nd line forward on an expiring deal? 1st are thrown around at the deadline, but good prospects who have been developing well are not. You could maybe get 1st + Stramel.

Age isn’t really significant for A rental unless
You’re planning on re-signing him. The value is in the player at the present and last few years. Ask Billy Guerin what he thinks of Nelson.

 

[AKL]

The value is in the player at the present and last few years. Ask Billy Guerin what he thinks of Nelson.

I'm sure Guerin likes him a lot, that doesn't mean his value is a 1st+Ohgren/Yurov/Heidt.

 

[Hockeyfan200]

No, you riding the Trouba train is lol


Age isn’t really significant for A rental unless
You’re planning on re-signing him. The value is in the player at the present and last few years. Ask Billy Guerin what he thinks of Nelson.

Guerin has also never traded a 1st or top prospect for a rental which he’s made clear he won’t do when he took over wild. In which case you aren’t getting Yurov or ohgren from wild. You will be lucky to get heidt.


Wild can wait and sign Nelson as a free agent.

 

[MK9]

This feels like the kind of thing Guerin would use to trade Rossi for. I get Nelson is still producing-ish, but 33 years old? Don't think I be on board for that at the cost of Rossi.

 

[SI90]

I'm sure Guerin likes him a lot, that doesn't mean his value is a 1st+Ohgren/Yurov/Heidt.

100% fair.

 

[bov]

Minnesota does seem like the right fit, this seems realistic.

 

[thebestnic]

He would look tremendous with the Wild. What an addition.

Seems like a perfect fit. Not sure he would help thrle Stars nearly as much

 

[Digitalbooya]

I think the Ohgren + 2nd + 3rd offer that another post made seems realistic.

2nd+3rd+Heidt wasn’t the offer I made (if you’re referring to me). It was 2nd+3rd+Heidt+Trenin. The offer is actually 2nd+Heidt, but we will give you a 3rd to take Trenin back.

 

[Digitalbooya]

This feels like the kind of thing Guerin would use to trade Rossi for. I get Nelson is still producing-ish, but 33 years old? Don't think I be on board for that at the cost of Rossi.

Wild fans need to stop this fear mongering. Guerin is not going to trade Rossi for a 33 year old.

 

[MK9]

Wild fans need to stop this fear mongering. Guerin is not going to trade Rossi for a 33 year old.

If that's what you consider fear mongering, that's pretty hyperbolic in my opinion. That's not the intention with which I posted and I think you know that.

 

[Digitalbooya]

If that's what you consider fear mongering, that's pretty hyperbolic in my opinion. That's not the intention with which I posted and I think you know that.

How is the first line not fear mongering?

 

[MK9]

How is the first line not fear mongering?

The onus is on you to explain how it is. You're making the claim.

[EDIT]: I don't care. If that is fear mongering to you, that's something you can hold onto. To me, it isnt. Past that, it doesn't hold value to me to spend time on.

 

[impaaaaaact]

2nd+3rd+Heidt wasn’t the offer I made (if you’re referring to me). It was 2nd+3rd+Heidt+Trenin. The offer is actually 2nd+Heidt, but we will give you a 3rd to take Trenin back.

ahh yeah treinin didn't even register. we are not taking that contract. I actually wanted the Isles to sign him in the offseason but I figured it would be more like 1.25 x2, was shocked at the number he got

 

[Oak]

Brock has one of the most punchable faces in the league but the man can score goals.