LeBrun: Dallas and Minnesota interested in Brock Nelson

[MNRube]

I think he ends up in Carolina or Dallas. Definitely a guy GMs value more than fans due to his versatility and PK ability etc

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think he ends up in Carolina or Dallas. Definitely a guy GMs value more than fans due to his versatility and PK ability etc

Maybe the main reason we'd be in on him too.

 

[seabass45]

First rounder and maybe a mid-tier prospect is a fair ask. Take the best you can get but some of the suggestions here are approaching the type of trade you'd make for a young star under team control for awhile.

 

[Glorydays22]

Wild just traded a bunch of picks. Interesting what they would move now and if the Islanders would be enticed by it.

they don't have the picks nor prospects to get Nelson....I would see him more of a fit for Dallas. They have picks and good prospects that can come back to my Isles.

First rounder and maybe a mid-tier prospect is a fair ask. Take the best you can get but some of the suggestions here are approaching the type of trade you'd make for a young star under team control for awhile.

thats not going to be enough. He is going to be in high demand. Remember the 1st rounder for any of these teams are bottom picks.

We would need 1st, Top spect and a mid tier spec for him

 

[AKL]

thats not going to be enough. He is going to be in high demand. Remember the 1st rounder for any of these teams are bottom picks.

We would need 1st, Top spect and a mid tier spec for him

Just because demand is high doesn't mean price is uncapped

 

[leeroggy]

And if we do, we can sign him for free this summer.

A 33 year old on pace for 50 points is not worth a 1st and a top prospect to me.

Dig deeper. Nelson has scored 117 goals in his last 263 games (36 Goals per year for the past 3 1/3 seasons), which is pretty darn high up the NHL list for that period. His 50-point pace (69 and 75 the last two seasons) is a function of the team playing poorly, not him, as the assists are off. He's also killing penalties this year, has a 55.4% FO figure and plays big in the playoffs.

Christ, do some homework . . .

 

[Glorydays22]

Just because demand is high doesn't mean price is uncapped

lol, yeah it usually does. Not taking a bottom 5 first rounder and mid tier prospect for him

 

[Prior]

The Wild have the prospects to get most any player that could reasonably be available in the NHL. Certainly they have reduced the amount of picks available in the Jiricek trade but let’s not act like they don’t have what it takes to Brock Nelson.

They will absolutely be in on Nelson, whether they get him remains to be seen. A fairly strong chance he is on the Wild come next season regardless.

 

[BCNate]

Nelson would be a good fit on either roster. I'd imagine he goes for a first and a prospect, but would be a great add.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

they don't have the picks nor prospects to get Nelson....I would see him more of a fit for Dallas. They have picks and good prospects that can come back to my Isles.

Nor prospects? The Wild have one of the best and deepest prospect pools in the NHL. Not that they would give a top one for a rental.

 

[seabass45]

thats not going to be enough. He is going to be in high demand. Remember the 1st rounder for any of these teams are bottom picks.

We would need 1st, Top spect and a mid tier spec for him

You're going to be disappointed.

 

[Digitalbooya]

MIN- 1st + 1 of Heidt/Yurov/Ohhren

Lmao. You cannot be serious.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Neither Duchene nor Hall nor Horvat nor Guentzel, the major rentals of the era, returned an asset that wowed. A 1st from a bubble team was the headline piece in three of the four cases. Guys like E. Lindholm, O'Reilly, H. Lindholm, Hanifin, etc. did in fact go for a late 1st+.

Stone did return a legit top prospect, but that came when he was 26 years old and presumably had an extension pre-negotiated (signed the same day). That's a high bar.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Nor prospects? The Wild have one of the best and deepest prospect pools in the NHL. Not that they would give a top one for a rental.

Nelson is from Minnesota and plays in Da Beauty League every offseason. Solid chance he re-signs if he's dealt there. Solid chance he signs in the offseason even if he's not.

Also a solid chance he's seen as the top forward on the market by the time the deadline rolls around. As other posters have noted, he's a center averaging 35-ish goals for the past 3 seasons. He's built for playoffs, he can play wing if needed, he PKs, he's missed 12 games since his rookie season. The kind of guy whose accomplishments get lost to hockey fans playing for a small market team..

I'm personally expecting a Horvat-esque deal if he were to be traded, like another poster pointed out. 1st, B+ prospect and salary dump

 

[Digitalbooya]

Let Dallas have him. Wild can sign him this summer if they want him

Exactly. Not worth trading for.

Nelson is from Minnesota and plays in Da Beauty League every offseason. Solid chance he re-signs if he's dealt there. Solid chance he signs in the offseason even if he's not.

Also a solid chance he's seen as the top forward on the market by the time the deadline rolls around. As other posters have noted, he's a center averaging 35-ish goals for the past 3 seasons. He's built for playoffs, he can play wing if needed, he PKs, he's missed 12 games since his rookie season. The kind of guy whose accomplishments get lost to hockey fans playing for a small market team..

I'm personally expecting a Horvat-esque deal if he were to be traded, like another poster pointed out. 1st, B+ prospect and salary dump

2nd+3rd+Heidt+Trenin

 

[impaaaaaact]

2nd+3rd+Heidt+Trenin

wouldn't love it, but it might get it done

 

[chaz4hockey]

With this deal, Wild will be back in Fletcher territory, throwing away picks, prospects, and the future.

He's a 33 UFA with 17 points in 27 gp. Enough with the 1st and a top prospect.

Agree.

Age and productivity are a limiter but he still could be a good TL piece for a team needing a good C

 

[AKL]

I'm personally expecting a Horvat-esque deal if he were to be traded, like another poster pointed out. 1st, B+ prospect and salary dump

2nd+3rd+Heidt+Trenin

Bo Horvat was a 27/28 year old who was over a point per game when he was traded, and less than a week later he signed an 8 year extension. NY isn't offering that value here. NY has a 33 year old asset on pace for 50 points right now, he may or may not sign an extension, but it would be a 3-4 year deal for the twilight of this guys career.

I'm positive he'll get a late 1st+, and I'm positive the + won't be anything like the Wild's top six prospects. The Wild don't have a late 1st anymore, but that doesn't mean you increase the quality of the prospect to compensate. Especially in a draft like this one that gets pretty shallow pretty quickly.

 

[Unspecified]

Calling it now...100% to Dallas

 

[impaaaaaact]

Bo Horvat was a 27/28 year old who was over a point per game when he was traded, and less than a week later he signed an 8 year extension. NY isn't offering that value here. NY has a 33 year old asset on pace for 50 points right now, he may or may not sign an extension, but it would be a 3-4 year deal for the twilight of this guys career.

I'm positive he'll get a late 1st+, and I'm positive the + won't be anything like the Wild's top six prospects. The Wild don't have a late 1st anymore, but that doesn't mean you increase the quality of the prospect to compensate. Especially in a draft like this one that gets pretty shallow pretty quickly.

Detractors keep boiling down his worth to his last 27 games on a team that has been absolutely decimated by injuries. If you zoom out, even with those games included he averages 35 goals a season over his last 250 or so games. If these teams actually think he's a 50 point player they're probably not interested at all.

He's a center scored 35 goals and 70 points the last two seasons. The year before he scored 37 and and 60 in 72 games. Let's not be disingenuous about who he is.

 

[Glorydays22]

You're going to be disappointed.

I guess we will see. But the only reason why we may not is because Lou is senile and GMs will rip him off. And how vested is he when making these deals when he knows he's probably gone after this season....that's more of my concern

 

[AKL]

Detractors keep boiling down his worth to his last 27 games on a team that has been absolutely decimated by injuries. If you zoom out, even with those games included he averages 35 goals a season. If these teams actually think he's a 50 point player they're probably not interested at all.

He's a center scored 35 goals and 70 points the last two seasons. The year before he scored 37 and and 60 in 72 games. Let's not be disingenuous about who he is.

He's a 33 year old rental, no one cares about what he did in the past, they're looking at what he's doing this season and what he can do for the 2-4 months that he'll be on their team.

It's worth something, but it's not worth some of the prospects or packages that have been asked for by Islanders fans in here. You yourself said you're looking for a Horvat return, but the value you're offering is not what you got in Horvat when you acquired him, so I don't know why you're expecting the same value when you're offering less.

But the only reason why we may not is because Lou is senile and GMs will rip him off.

Or maybe it'll be simply because he's not as valuable as you think.

 

[Glorydays22]

He's a 33 year old rental, no one cares about what he did in the past, they're looking at what he's doing this season and what he can do for the 2-4 months that he'll be on their team.

It's worth something, but it's not worth some of the prospects or packages that have been asked for by Islanders fans in here. You yourself said you're looking for a Horvat return, but the value you're offering is not what you got in Horvat when you acquired him, so I don't know why you're expecting the same value when you're offering less.


Or maybe it'll be simply because he's not as valuable as you think.

We are not even close to the TDL and already teams are lining up for him if Lou makes him available. Reports are Dallas, Minnesota and Toronto are very interested and there will be more at we get closer.

 

[impaaaaaact]

He's a 33 year old rental, no one cares about what he did in the past, they're looking at what he's doing this season and what he can do for the 2-4 months that he'll be on their team.

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Interesting take! Nelson was just named to the American team for the 4 nations tourney. I believe the GM is Bill Guerin. Someone wanna remind me which NHL team he runs?

But you're right, he and all the other GMs are probably weighing that 10% sample over the other 90%. That's probably the sensible thing to do.

 

[AKL]

Interesting take! Nelson was just named to the American team for the 4 nations tourney. I believe the GM is Bill Guerin. Someone wanna remind me which NHL team he runs?

I think you mistakenly think I'm saying he's worthless and no one wants him and Guerin isn't interested in him when I'm actually being very clear about what I'm saying:

It's worth something, but it's not worth some of the prospects or packages that have been asked for by Islanders fans in here. You yourself said you're looking for a Horvat return, but the value you're offering is not what you got in Horvat when you acquired him, so I don't know why you're expecting the same value when you're offering less.

No one is saying Nelson isn't a good player, isn't a desirable asset, or doesn't have value. The contention is over what the value is.